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I think the grey area in your rules makes this a pretty difficult situation (thank you Captain Obvious) and while it surely stinks a little I think the letter of the law has to rule out. I think you have to suck it up until MFL changes their designation. Perhaps contact them and see if you could help motivate them to do the right thing.
Our league is in a similar situation, but concerning Telvin Smith (LB for Jax). MFL lists him as "out" (same as Luck), so the owner put him on his IR spot. Rules state that only players on the NFL IR, or "out due to injury" are allowed in the spot - but MFL just lists the player as either out/O or injured/I, and the system will allow the move. Last year an owner put Everson Griffen on his IR spot, even though the team didn't put him on any injured list at all. I view it as more of a system issue. It will list a player as suspended/S, and not allow that player on the IR spot - but anyone with an O or and I is eligible, and people take advantage of it. Heck, I put Josh Gordon on my IR spot the day after hoodie put him on the NFI list (non-football injury) a week ago. I have to remove him from the list on the 15th day (assuming he's healthy, which he is). But the owner with Telvin Smith can theoretically keep him there all year if he's still designated as "out".
I don't think they have to if he retires. He goes to the reserve/retired list so they can maintain his rights if he returns.
Ok, thanks. So he would then still be listed as a Colt in the MFL database presumably. And probably listed as OUT. We voted last year to disallow Bell on IR even though he was listed as OUT. It would be awfully strange if Zeke and/or Gordon held out, and we applied the precedent from last year to disallow them on IR, but then to allow Luck? Makes no sense and I believe a commissioner can stand behind a fair interpretation of the spirit of the law (which would be that retirees don't count).
No. They moved him to the reserve/retired list. Means if he comes back in 2020 (or 2021) his contract will pick right back up where it was when he left in 2019.
I can't remember if Gronk was under contract or not (I assume he was but not sure). MFL designations aren't exactly official though.
He's on the reserve/retired list as well. If he wants back in the league, he'll be owned by the Pats.
He had a year left.
I'd guess Luck will change to show "FA" at some point soon like Gronk does. As noted above MFL isn't "official" and may have their own timetable for when to update that status.
It might be like position designation changes (big in IDP leagues). There should be one more before the start of the season, at which point those are locked in.
Yeah that's what I thought. But Gronk is a FA in the MFL database and therefore ineligible for IR. Luck is still in the db as a Colt, and by chance he is actually injured so he has a sort of remnant IR status. I'm just going to disallow him there and move on. I appreciate the input though.
Yeah that's what I'm hoping because our cuts are deep and come Sunday night.
I think MFL has a setting for this.
Yes, and ours is set to allow players whose status is either IR or OUT. In Luck's case, and in Bell's last year, they are designated as OUT. But this is a setting, not a rule. Bylaws, in our league, often supersede the capabilities of the MFL settings. We have many facets of our league that are so customized that it requires manual intervention on my part as commissioner. The settings will not allow for our playoff format for example. So I manually compile and post the results. People still set their lineups and manage their rosters on the site, but I post the results. Anyway. In our case with Luck, the bylaws are not quite sufficient, and there is no setting in MFL that can fix this for us, unless we completely overturn the bylaw rule that *injured* players labeled as OUT can go to IR. And that would be a worse precedent to undo since that has been the rule for 5 years now.
But we want any injured player to be eligible, not just those on Ir. Take AJ Green right now for instance, he’s out. We’d like him to be able to be on IR so long as he’s missing games
I don’t blame Irsay since Luck left them high and dry just before the season started.
You're right. Luck could and should have handled that better. But that doesn't justify Irsay's current "Alexander Haig" position ("I'm in control here!!!").
