Zyphros
Footballguy
I think it's pretty clearly Etienne or Harris at 1.01 right now. It's those 2 RB's in non-QB premium leagues. I'd flip Chubb for that in a heartbeat in a rebuild. Even more so of a smash if it's full PPR.
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RB Travis Etienne, JAX (1 Viewer)
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Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Ja'marr Chase probably in the conversation as well.
RB premium leans towards Etienne though
RB premium leans towards Etienne though
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I don't think it's a slam dunk but that wouldn't stop me from making that trade. We don't know how Chubb's role will play out with as good as Hunt is.
Chase will be in the mix and I think a couple of others will as well - Bateman and Harris in particular.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I don't think it's a slam dunk but that wouldn't stop me from making that trade. We don't know how Chubb's role will play out with as good as Hunt is.
Chase will be in the mix and I think a couple of others will as well - Bateman and Harris in particular.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Hunt has kind of flopped. Chubb makes that offense go. But it's a moot point as I tried to do the trade I mentioned and was shot down. So no need to turn this into a Chubb thread, I guess.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
How did he actually look last night?
Has he lost some luster this year?
Has he lost some luster this year?
MAC_32
Footballguy
He did not perform as well this year as prior, but he was so far ahead coming into it that his hold on rb1 is still firm. If anything I think this year established his floor. When he's not running well he makes up for it in the pass game.
Faust
MVP
Faust
MVP
MAC_32
Footballguy
Najee has always ben a good player, but I think it's important to note that he didn't really break out til age 22. I think Etienne has turned heads with his play since his true freshman season and he broke out at age 19. More matters than just that, but it'd take a very compelling argument. The Najee > Etienne movement has recency bias alarm bells going off in my head.
I think Javonte Williams is a more interesting argument than Harris.
Boston
Footballguy
I always appreciate your knowledge but I will strongly disagree with this...just like Jacobs, Najee had been in a backfield with other high quality backs that limited his production...the two years he did not have backs like Harris and Jacobs he has rushed for a total of 2,611 yards with 37 receptions for 650 yards with 47 total TDs...this is 100% not recency bias as the kid was the top RB recruit in the nation, is a physical freak and does not have a hole in his game...oddly enough for all of Clemson's high-end talent Etienne has actually had the benefit of not having a threat to his production because he has not played with another quality, future NFL RB yet he is still putting up somewhat similar stats from his sophomore year.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I understand Najee shared the ball early in his career and am not holding that against him. I thought he was an ordinary player during his first 3 years. NTTAWWT, that has value in the pros.
This year I think he looked different. Situation and volume reigns supreme at RB (i.e. Jacobs), but I'm skeptical he's a feature back and rather a 1a. I'm not convinced there's more to him than what we saw this year.
This year I think he looked different. Situation and volume reigns supreme at RB (i.e. Jacobs), but I'm skeptical he's a feature back and rather a 1a. I'm not convinced there's more to him than what we saw this year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Last year he went for 1,224 yards and 13 touchdowns rushing while catching 27 passes for 304 yards and 7 touchdowns. The year before he was behind Jacobs and Damien Harris. I'd say he broke out last year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think you need to be careful about citing raw production at the big boy schools. He was a part of last year's offense. When Devonta Smith let him he took over games this year. It was a massive difference that is difficult to quantify without actually watching the games.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I dont exist in a world of like and don't like. I live in a world that's muddy and gray. But I do partake in a game that requires me to prioritize players over others.
Najee is a good player. His vision alone should lead to a productive career. The subject at hand is rb1 though. Before considering situation and expected volume I don't think he is relative to his contemporaries. I still like him though. And it can be both.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Funny you say that because that is something I am working on, not having a negative bias where I don't give someone a fair shake...last year I absolutely hated Herbert and I threw him on the prospect scrap heap and I missed a chance to add a future stud in a Super-flex Dynasty league...gonna really do everything I can to have a more open mind on the prospects I have my doubts about.
I agree with you. Harris will be a productive NFL back but I do not see anyone in this class becoming a true RB1. I see him a tick below Jacobs as a pro.
Guys like Etienne, Williams, Hubbard, and Harris will all carve out meaningful roles but I don't see a "special" RB in this class. For example, I like Taylor, CEH, Dobbins, and Swift better than anyone of this class right now. This is no disrespect to this class but last year's cohort was really, really good. Of course, landing spots and surrounding competition play a role in projecting long term viability, but in this moment, without this information, operating only on my (highly speculative and by no means "expert") lens this group does not offer an elite option.
Etienne is a fine player and will find an important role in an NFL offense, but, from a pure draft position lens, likely lost ground by returning this year. I see him as being a quality, contributing member of some type of committee (Miami/Atlanta), but not a true 3 down RB. That is not a knock, as the subset of true, three down, 75% + touch share RB is very small.
I think he'd be an excellent backfield partner with his fellow Clemson alum Deshaun Watson. That to me would be the best landing spot.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Man...someone gave this kid TERRIBLE advice.
Why in the world any running back (let alone a speed running back) would come back for his senior year when he was projected to go in 2nd round....absolutely mind boggling. I mean...he got the ACC rushing record, so good for him. But other than that? Yikes. No national title....cut a year off what will already be a short career, hurt his chances of a bigger 2nd deal...likely wont be drafted any higher than last year.
Just an inexplicable decision. Great for him if he's gonna get his degree this year (although he could have gone back and done his last year when he's 30 and likely out of the NFL) but man this was so stupid.
Hope some Clemson booster cut him a big fat check for his trouble
Why in the world any running back (let alone a speed running back) would come back for his senior year when he was projected to go in 2nd round....absolutely mind boggling. I mean...he got the ACC rushing record, so good for him. But other than that? Yikes. No national title....cut a year off what will already be a short career, hurt his chances of a bigger 2nd deal...likely wont be drafted any higher than last year.
Just an inexplicable decision. Great for him if he's gonna get his degree this year (although he could have gone back and done his last year when he's 30 and likely out of the NFL) but man this was so stupid.
Hope some Clemson booster cut him a big fat check for his trouble
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DropKick
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
Saban too. Seems like these guys always get a star player or two to come back each year. Don't forget Harris and Smith let season, and Damien Harris before that.
Honestly the worst thing for Etienne (or Harris) would be sneaking into the 1st. His decision to return would end up costing him 2 years before free agency, which is a massive loss in career earnings for a RB. It's the Melvin Gordon path.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised if his career turned out similar to another Clemson guy in CJ Spiller. Loads of potential but never really seizing the role of a dominant producer, except for 1 year. Spiller was on the all potential team like another famous sharkpool guy named Christine Michael except Spiller actually panned out. But the hype for him was outrageously loud.
If there's someone who's in love with Etienne or Harris or even Javonte, I'd flip that pick in a heartbeat for any of the top4 RB's from 2020 (Akers, Dobbins, Taylor, Swift)
If there's someone who's in love with Etienne or Harris or even Javonte, I'd flip that pick in a heartbeat for any of the top4 RB's from 2020 (Akers, Dobbins, Taylor, Swift)
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I agree with Jeremiah's comments in his writeup but when you really break down what he's saying it's hard for me to justify the ranking he and many others have for Etienne. I don't disagree with the positives. Fast, gets to edge easy, good pass receiver, improved pass blocker.Faust said:
But when you say a RB is not elusive in the hole while also lacking elite vision and elusiveness I got concerns and I saw similar things. His skill set just screams that's he's more likely be part of RB duo or RBBC and sometimes that's fine but makes him extremely landing spot sensitive, as in he needs to go to a team planning to make him a 70+ catch RB.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Spiller was more pure speed RB like early Chris Johnson. He had poor vision or spatial awareness and not very good at running inside.
I dont think ETN is as fast as Spiller was and I dont think he has the poor vision that Spiller never seemed to overcome.
Faust
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Zyphros
Footballguy
I'm kind of luke warm on Etienne. I like him a lot but then I have a few concerns based on his comment on pass catching a few years ago or his overall size.
The size thing reminds me of McCaffrey concerns before he came into the league, and the pass catching thing he got a lot better at the past 2 years. That's where his stock improved to put another year of great pass catching stats/film IMO, thanks to his decision to return to school this past year.
I'm looking at Spiller and see untapped potential his entire career, other than basically 2 years. It was all hopeful after that. I worry that's where we're heading with Etienne because of the questions. If he quells those questions, he's a poor mans McCaffrey. But that would require a landing spot that checks down to RB's enough for him to sustain success.
Not to go too big on a tangent but that's why CEH isn't as successful as a rookie as well. Mahomes just doesn't check down all that often, and CEH doesn't have the size for the workload he needs in that offense to sustain success. Etienne has that ability to still succeed in a bad situation, but he'll be fully unlocked IF he goes to a place that uses him as a guy to get in space more often.
The trap of landing spot, only is a trap if the player doesn't match what that offense does. CEH wasn't that talented to begin with, AND his situation doesn't utilize him to his potential. Etienne IS that talented, but we'll see where the situation can lead him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Im right these with you as far Spiller. I chased that fantastic season he had for several years after hoping he could get back to that while watching Jackson take most of the workload.
With any player I do like to see them be able to improve in areas as ETN did with his receiving ability. I am no where near to comparing him with McCaffrey but when you mention CEH I think thats maybe closer to the kind of player I think ETN is.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
LOL yep, totally obvious at the time too. The funniest part is he thought he was be the top RB this year. Looks like he might be number 3.
Last year it was rumored the Chiefs were on him. He could have been the 1.32 instead of Clyde had he declared.
Chuba Hubbard looks like an even worse version of this.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
This is pretty much a cut and past from two different posts i did with paraphrasing the 2nd part. I would put Javonte Williams over Etienne. To me Etienne looks like a straight line runner that I have my doubts about his vision and he may never be a bell cow RB for fantasy due to his size. Since there will be no combine I bet his pro-day at Clemson will be giving a profile of him that is inaccurate. Williams not only has perfect size, he is a tackle breaking monster and his contact balance is so good. Plus he has the receiving ability you want to go along with those other traits. I feel Etienne is more team dependent than Williams. People will be afraid to take Williams over Etienne because of the fantasy ranking echo chamber, but if you really believe Williams is better you have to listen to your own gut and I feel he is better.
If I'm a contender and somehow got the 1.01, I'm taking Harris. If I'm a rebuilding team and need lots of pieces, I'm taking either Chase or Williams. Harris will be 27 years old by the time he finishes his rookie contract and if you know you won't compete for a few years, you must take the younger player at 1.01 IMO or trade it.
Zyphros
Footballguy
What are you talking about? This comes across that you're taking a shot at me when you've said nothing of the sort in this thread. Maybe it's somewhere else but I don't know.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He's saying that what was coming next in HIS post was a cut & paste of something HE wrote elsewhere.
I don't know why he quoted your post.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Absolutely not. I was just stating my opinion on the 1.01 with how I believe it isn't between Harris and Etienne and that if i was a rebuilding team that needed lots of pieces before I compete i would take either Chase or Williams or trade down. I am sorry if you think I was directing anything negative towards you, because I wasn't.
