timschochet
Footballguy
That's an interesting interpretation. Did you read his opening statement, by chance?
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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (4 Viewers)
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
I suppose we should have figured this out by now, but it appears that unless Trump uttered the words "this is a quid pro quo" you would disbelieve anything negative about this whole incident.
skol asylum
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Did you read the part where he stated "There was a quid pro quo." ? Did you also follow the testimony in which Sondland stated that he was instructed by President Trump to do what Giuliani wanted, and Giuliani informed him of the quid pro quo"?
Dickies
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
" The President commits 5 Pinocchios on a daily basis so let's not go there." Spontaneous applause.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
SCHIFF:
You've testified Mulvaney was aware of this quid pro quo, of this condition, the Ukrainians had to meet ...
SONDLAND:
Yeah, a lot of people were aware of it.
SCHIFF:
Including Mr. Mulvaney?
SONDLAND:
Correct.
SCHIFF:
And including the Sec'y of State?
SONDLAND:
Correct.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Wrong. Not one witness has testified that Trump told them aid was defendant on investigation into Crowdstrike or Burisma. Seems like that would be important to try and impeach Trump don't you think? In fact, the only witness with direct contact to Trump testified Trump told him I don't want anything from Ukraine. Slam Dunk nothing burger.
The General
Footballguy
All you need to do at some point in the middle of your criminal efforts is say “don’t do this” and you’re all good.
timschochet
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I don't gamble at all but is there a way to take the field in that bet? I would think a savvy gambler would take that bet.
The General
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
or unless you believe in actually stopping sexual abuse occuring in athletic programs you may be involved with but hey whatever floats your boat take that to the bank brohans
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Extortion sounds kind of scary, I had to look it up to see what it means. Stewart
He should be thrown out of office too for having the education of a 3rd grader.
He should be thrown out of office too for having the education of a 3rd grader.![[scooter]](/data/avatars/m/22/22287.jpg?1659477690){kind=avatar}
[scooter]
Footballguy
It's an obvious lie because it completely contradicts Trump's own words in the "transcript" of his so-called perfect phone call ("I want you to do us a favor...").
It's classic Trump Projection.
skol asylum
Footballguy
I wish people would stop cherry picking half of Trump's statement. No quid pro quo...BUT tell Zelensky to do the right thing.
Hmnm. I wonder what the right thing was? Could it be announcing investigations?
Was aide withheld? Yes or no.
These gymnastics to claim no wrong doing are painful to watch.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
It could be possible Rudy instructed it. However, that is extremely hard to believe when Zelensky has said repeatedly that he didn't feel pressure at all or was under duress.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Skoo
Footballguy
Hey, show some respect for Funkhouser's little brother!Extortion sounds kind of scary, I had to look it up to see what it means. Stewart
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Agreed this is painful to watch. So was Mueller in front of Congress. Partisan politics these days unfortunately. When the next Dem is President you can expect phony impeachment proceedings unfortunately.
Just bet "No" on the question of whether Trump will be reelected. It'll cost you 59 cents, and if you win, you get a dollar (for each share).
squistion
Footballguy
What else can Zelensky say? Seriously. Ukraine is dependent upon continued US aid and support. He wants to stay on Trump's good side, so he has no choice to parrot Trump's "No pressure" meme.
The General
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
Exactly. He wanted noting from Ukraine. I personally want there to be some connection for a quid pro quo or evidence that an investigation of the Bidens started because there needs to be.
Especially since Yovanovitch testified that the Obama administration gave her talking points for her 2015 confirmation hearing in case Hunter Biden’s corruption came up.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
They were too busy with Benghazi and her emails to go after Obama last time around
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squistion
Footballguy
Unlikely, as there were no impeachment proceedings under Obama (or at least none that taken seriously by anyone in either party).
skol asylum
Footballguy
Of course Zelensky is going to say this. He knows POTUS is crucial in continuing to support him. What else would you expect him to say?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
If you take the approach that Sondland says Trump never *personally told him to set preconditions for meeting or aid, then Sondland also states that he came to learn this was the case because Trump did *personally direct him and the others to talk to Rudy, who *was pushing the two probes.
That would be the connection.
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timschochet
Footballguy
But your statement ignores several facts. The most important one is this: President Trump instructed Sondland to do what Giuliani wanted. Giuliani demanded a quid pro quo. The two issues that Giuliani raised for the quid pro quo were the same two issues that President Trump raised on the July 25 phone call that you see nothing wrong with.
If you want to argue that this doesn't rise to the level of impeachable offense, I can accept that- I don't agree, but it's a legitimate argument. If you want to argue, like @TripItUp, that it doesn't matter one way or the other, I can accept that- I myself could never think that way, but it's a legitimate POV. If you want to argue that its too close to the election, we should let the voters decide, I can accept that- again I don't agree, but again it's a legitimate argument.
But this: testimony of a quid pro quo, evidence of a quid pro quo, and yet you and other Trump supporters say "Oh Trump said there wasn't one so it didn't happen"- that I CAN NOT accept. I can't accept it because its highly representative of the one thing above all others that is tearing this country apart today IMO: the willingness of a large number of conservatives and Trump supporters to insist on their own set of facts and alternative reality.
Dickies
Footballguy
My constituents are extorting me to vote for impeachment or else they are threatening to vote me out!Extortion sounds kind of scary, I had to look it up to see what it means. Stewart
squistion
Footballguy
That has never been adequately explained anytime that one has questioned the assertion that Zelensky says there was no pressure.
Widbil83
Footballguy
But there’s not. There should have been an investigation into the Bidens though.
timschochet
Footballguy
Republicans seem confused. Some of them are attacking Sondland. Others are complimenting him for his "truthful testimony."
I think they were so stunned by what he revealed this morning that they don't really have all their talking points together.
I think they were so stunned by what he revealed this morning that they don't really have all their talking points together.
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