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The quid pro quo discussion is a red herring. Sondland’s statement and testimony is proof that the President was running a shadow diplomacy operation using his private attorney outside of normal execu

I must say, as a cynic toward government I have been nothing but impressed and even proud of the career civil servants that are on display throughout this process.  It’s quite nice to see the working

1 hour ago, jonessed said:

I think I’m more sick of the Democrats gyrating and bloviating  around impeachment at this point.  Whining turds. They can access whatever they want if they opt for a real impeachment process.

After the collusion fiasco I’m not inclined to believe any of them.  Put up or shut up.

How about the Republican stand up and stop being minions and cowards?

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23 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

"There is not a politician in Congress who would not do the same.  Its called Winning! And, nobody does winning better than Donald Trump!"

-John Barron

Are these people saying stuff like this to troll the libs or are they seriously this brainwashed and blind to Trump's corruption?   If this guy really believes this, it is absolutely terrifying. Third Reich-level frightening. 

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1 minute ago, JuniorNB said:

Are these people saying stuff like this to troll the libs or are they seriously this brainwashed and blind to Trump's corruption?   If this guy really believes this, it is absolutely terrifying. Third Reich-level frightening. 

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2 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Are these people saying stuff like this to troll the libs or are they seriously this brainwashed and blind to Trump's corruption?   If this guy really believes this, it is absolutely terrifying. Third Reich-level frightening. 

Oh no ####? 

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Just now, Sheriff Bart said:

Oh no ####? 

A guy posted a meme on Facebook earlier in the week saying that Trump refuses to take his presidential salary and is losing millions by leaving his businesses behind in an effort to save our country.  It was so over-the-top ridiculous that it sounded like something a Democrat would post sarcastically.  Yet this was a fill-on Trump supporter. And he believed it. 

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12 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Are these people saying stuff like this to troll the libs or are they seriously this brainwashed and blind to Trump's corruption?   If this guy really believes this, it is absolutely terrifying. Third Reich-level frightening. 

You should goggle the name John Barron.

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8 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Are these people saying stuff like this to troll the libs or are they seriously this brainwashed and blind to Trump's corruption?   If this guy really believes this, it is absolutely terrifying. Third Reich-level frightening. 

Yes

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8 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

A guy posted a meme on Facebook earlier in the week saying that Trump refuses to take his presidential salary and is losing millions by leaving his businesses behind in an effort to save our country.  It was so over-the-top ridiculous that it sounded like something a Democrat would post sarcastically.  Yet this was a fill-on Trump supporter. And he believed it. 

Trump retweeted he was almost literally the Son of God and the country barely blinked so yeah, terrifying. 

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51 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I'd say Roger Ailes.

Sure, but before he saw the market there were Reagan supporters who hated that the mainstream media -- which really was mainstream and middle of the road at the time -- kept finding dirt in his administration (still the record holders for the most admins convicted of malfeasance in office, IIRC). Conservatives, being conservatives, refused to consider that maybe GOP administrations really were corrupt in nature and instead decided that the problem lay with the people reporting on the malfeasance. That's how we get posters like jon_mx sneering contempt for the reporting processes of papers like the New York Times. Which is a disconnect from fundamental knowledge that I just can't fathom.

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51 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Not sure if this as been posted: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190917_-_ic_ig_second_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf

 

This is a letter from the IG to Schiff and Nunes on Sept 17 - not his original notice - but a follow up where he outlines his disagreements with Acting Director Maguire - noting that the matter: "not only falls within DNI's jurisdiction, but relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNI's responsibilities to the American people."

I just looked up the IG, Michael Atkinson.  From his wikipedia page, the guy seems legit (partner at DC firm; trial attorney at DOJ Fraud Section, Deputy Chief of Fraud and Public Corruption Section of the DC US Attorneys Office; Dept. of Justice, Acting Deputy Assistant AG for Asset Protection; awarded Attorney General's Award for Distinguished Service).  Guy is a career grinder/bureaucrat, not a political hack.

Not someone to be told to go sit in a corner.  I think this has legs.  

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1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:

Not sure if this as been posted: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190917_-_ic_ig_second_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf

 

This is a letter from the IG to Schiff and Nunes on Sept 17 - not his original notice - but a follow up where he outlines his disagreements with Acting Director Maguire - noting that the matter: "not only falls within DNI's jurisdiction, but relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNI's responsibilities to the American people."

Everyone in Washington must have a keyboard macro to spell out Acting.

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One thing to keep in the back of your mind - Trump does stupid #### every day.  Whether that is tweeting out classified information, or insulting allies, or lying to the public - or any number of other things - BUT, nobody in the intelligence community has felt the need to run to congress until now.

Nobody has risked their government job, benefits, pension, etc. over any of the minor things Trump does - like get the military to use his hotels.  These, to my knowledge, are not people who are prone to over-react to differences in policies.  When policy differences get in the way of the job - they resign, not run to congress.

Likewise, I don't think the IG is inclined to over-react to a complaint over a policy difference, or even a grey-area type complaint.

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1 hour ago, roadkill1292 said:

Sure, but before he saw the market there were Reagan supporters who hated that the mainstream media -- which really was mainstream and middle of the road at the time -- kept finding dirt in his administration (still the record holders for the most admins convicted of malfeasance in office, IIRC). Conservatives, being conservatives, refused to consider that maybe GOP administrations really were corrupt in nature and instead decided that the problem lay with the people reporting on the malfeasance. That's how we get posters like jon_mx sneering contempt for the reporting processes of papers like the New York Times. Which is a disconnect from fundamental knowledge that I just can't fathom.

hitler also hated the free press. just sayin'

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Just now, snitwitch said:

hitler also hated the free press. just sayin'

Yup.  He also knew that the first step in fooling his followers was to have them think all negative news was fake and to discredit the country's establishments like intelligence and investigative agencies. The parallels are amazing. Like they're using the same textbook. 

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It occurs to me that the Trump machine has exponentially more resources to #### with the election now than it did in 2016.  

Trump leaning on the Ukraine to sink Joe’s ship is only the beginning.  We are 58 weeks out still.  

Oh.  And what has been done to safeguard American democracy from foreign interference in elections?  Nothing.  

Trump Has neutered  Washington and is just getting started.   

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3 hours ago, tonydead said:

If they try impeachment the entire election will rest on how well that turns out.  

Well we know the Senate will refuse to remove him from office.  If the House does its duty and formally impeaches him it will boil down to how much criminal activity the electorate can ignore.

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10 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:
16 minutes ago, snitwitch said:

hitler also hated the free press. just sayin'

Yup.  He also knew that the first step in fooling his followers was to have them think all negative news was fake and to discredit the country's establishments like intelligence and investigative agencies. The parallels are amazing. Like they're using the same textbook

Guys, you can't make this comparison until there is actual genocide.  We've been over this. 

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WSJ says Trump pressed Zelensky 8 times to work with Guiliani on a probe of Biden's son.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176?mod=hp_lead_pos1

 

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Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden’s Son
President didn’t mention U.S. aid on July call with Volodymyr Zelensky

By Alan Cullison, Rebecca Ballhaus and Dustin Volz
Updated Sept. 20, 2019 3:32 pm ET

President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden ’s son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, on a probe, according to people familiar with the matter.

“He told him that he should work with [Mr. Giuliani] on Biden, and that people in Washington wanted to know” whether allegations were true or not, one of the people said. Mr. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.

Mr. Giuliani in June and August met with top Ukrainian officials about the prospect of an investigation, he said in an interview. The Trump lawyer has suggested Mr. Biden as vice president worked to shield from investigation a Ukrainian gas company with ties to his son, Hunter Biden. A Ukrainian official earlier this year said he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Mr. Biden or his son.

After the July call between the two presidents, the Ukrainian government said Mr. Trump had congratulated the new president on his election and expressed hope that his government would push ahead with investigations and corruption probes that had stymied relations between the two countries.

The White House declined to comment. The Biden campaign didn’t respond to a request for comment. Last week, a Biden campaign spokesman said of Mr. Giuliani’s efforts to pressure Ukraine: “This is beneath us as Americans.”

Mr. Trump on Friday defended his July call with Mr. Zelensky as “totally appropriate” but declined to say whether he had asked the Ukrainian leader to investigate Mr. Biden, a former U.S. vice president. “It doesn’t matter what I discussed,” he said.

At the same time, he reiterated his call for an investigation into Mr. Biden’s effort as vice president to oust Ukraine’s prosecutor general. “Somebody ought to look into that," he told reporters.

In recent months, Mr. Giuliani has mounted an extensive effort to pressure Ukraine to do so. He told The Wall Street Journal he met with an official from the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office in June in Paris, and met with Andriy Yermak, a top aide to Mr. Zelensky in Madrid in August. Mr. Giuliani told the Journal earlier this month that Mr. Yermak assured him the Ukrainian government would “get to the bottom” of the Biden matter.

The August meeting came weeks before the Trump administration began reviewing the status of $250 million in foreign aid to Ukraine, which the administration released earlier this month. Mr. Giuliani said he wasn’t aware of the issue with the funds to Ukraine at the time of the meeting.

He said his meeting with Mr. Yermak was set up by the State Department, and said he briefed the department on their conversation later. The State Department had no immediate comment.

The interactions between the president, Mr. Giuliani and Ukraine have come under scrutiny in recent days in the wake of a whistleblower complaint that a person familiar with the matter said involves the president’s communications with a foreign leader. The complaint, which the Washington Post reported centers on Ukraine, has prompted a new standoff between Congress and the executive branch.

Separately, lawmakers have been investigating whether the president or his lawyer sought to pressure the Ukrainian government to pursue probes in an effort to benefit Mr. Trump’s re-election bid.

 

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4 minutes ago, zoonation said:

It occurs to me that the Trump machine has exponentially more resources to #### with the election now than it did in 2016.  

Trump leaning on the Ukraine to sink Joe’s ship is only the beginning.  We are 58 weeks out still.  

Oh.  And what has been done to safeguard American democracy from foreign interference in elections?  Nothing.  

Trump Has neutered  Washington and is just getting started.   

In the Lewandowski hearing the other day a republican, forget which one for certain, declared that Trump cares more about protecting our elections than anyone. :mellow:

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19 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

It sounds, to me, that Schiff knows exactly what is in the allegations - but is going through the motions to get the report through official channels.

 

 

But - if there is a tape of Trump offering financial aid in exchange for an investigation into Biden - I think that is well beyond what DC politicians would tolerate. 

 

But, if there is no tape, or if its kind of wishy-washy read-between-the-lines kind of stuff, then this goes nowhere.

:lmao: How could you possibly have any confidence in Schiff?  His history of being correct is abismal.  He is a lying partisan hack.

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4 minutes ago, Don Quixote said:

WSJ says Trump pressed Zelensky 8 times to work with Guiliani on a probe of Biden's son.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176?mod=hp_lead_pos1

 

 

The Wall Street Journal?? You're going to believe that liberal rag? :hophead:

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10 minutes ago, zoonation said:

It occurs to me that the Trump machine has exponentially more resources to #### with the election now than it did in 2016.  

Trump leaning on the Ukraine to sink Joe’s ship is only the beginning.  We are 58 weeks out still.  

Oh.  And what has been done to safeguard American democracy from foreign interference in elections?  Nothing.  

Trump Has neutered  Washington and is just getting started.   

I think he's got a lot bigger pile of cash this time than he did in '16. He'll have no trouble getting the message out while saving plenty for his own enrichment (come on, we know that's gonna happen). A candidate of competency and integrity would not be able to blow Donald's apparent advantage.

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5 minutes ago, roadkill1292 said:

I think he's got a lot bigger pile of cash this time than he did in '16. He'll have no trouble getting the message out while saving plenty for his own enrichment (come on, we know that's gonna happen). A candidate of competency and integrity would not be able to blow Donald's apparent advantage.

Yeah.  He has raked in hundreds of millions so far.  No way he doesn’t siphon off some of that.  It is in his DNA.   His supporters won’t care though.  

I remember in 2016 when his campaign was broke and he had to personally lend it a million dollars.  Conditions were that it had to be repaid immediately.  Forget the details of the piece I read on it but it made me think then that there is no way this guy is a billionaire.  The million was SO significant to him.  

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12 minutes ago, Don Quixote said:

WSJ says Trump pressed Zelensky 8 times to work with Guiliani on a probe of Biden's son.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defends-conversation-with-ukraine-leader-11568993176?mod=hp_lead_pos1

 

 

I dunno...it really seems unlikely Trump would ask a foreign country to interfere in our elections.

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8 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

:lmao: How could you possibly have any confidence in Schiff?  His history of being correct is abismal.  He is a lying partisan hack.

Not saying you are wrong here - but this seems like the worst kept secret in DC, given how much reporting on this has seemingly gushed out since the story broke.  Hell, the AP reporter asked Pence point-blank if he discussed Biden when he talked to Ukraine last week.

 

 

As someone posted above - it becomes a question of who do you believe: The fake Media who claim Trump is asking Ukraine to investigate Biden; or, Rudy Giuliani who admits that Trump is asking Ukraine to investigate Biden.

Its a tough choice....

 

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4 minutes ago, JbizzleMan said:

I dunno...it really seems unlikely Trump would ask a foreign country to interfere in our elections.

Its more like a 400-lb guy in the basement of some golf club in New Jersey.

amirite?  :hifive:

 

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Seems that the Trump machine isn’t showing much concern about this all but seems to me if the tape ( if there is one) reveals withholding the 250 million was part of this conversation this could be just a bit too much for some Republicans but I have been wrong about this before. 

 

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Just now, lazyike said:

Seems that the Trump machine isn’t showing much concern about this all but seems to me if the tape ( if there is one) reveals withholding the 250 million was part of this conversation this could be just a bit too much for some Republicans but I have been wrong about this before. 

 

awww, how cute...

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1 minute ago, lazyike said:

Seems that the Trump machine isn’t showing much concern about this all but seems to me if the tape ( if there is one) reveals withholding the 250 million was part of this conversation this could be just a bit too much for some Republicans but I have been wrong about this before. 

 

Aid being part of the conversation on the tape isn't necessary for me.  The White House placed a hold on the aid.  It's not hard to put two and two together. If your boss told you to do something 8 times, he probably would not have to add "or you're fired" after it.

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11 minutes ago, lazyike said:

Seems that the Trump machine isn’t showing much concern about this all but seems to me if the tape ( if there is one) reveals withholding the 250 million was part of this conversation this could be just a bit too much for some Republicans but I have been wrong about this before. 

 

The Senate of 2019 would not have convicted Nixon.

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1 hour ago, Don't Noonan said:

:lmao: How could you possibly have any confidence in Schiff?  His history of being correct is abismal.  He is a lying partisan hack.

Proof?

Trump’s the one that’s stopping the whistleblower, not Schiff :shrug: 

Don’t you want the truth to come out?

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1 hour ago, zoonation said:

Yeah.  He has raked in hundreds of millions so far.  No way he doesn’t siphon off some of that.  It is in his DNA.   His supporters won’t care though.  

I remember in 2016 when his campaign was broke and he had to personally lend it a million dollars.  Conditions were that it had to be repaid immediately.  Forget the details of the piece I read on it but it made me think then that there is no way this guy is a billionaire.  The million was SO significant to him.  

When Bart & Lisa were sucked into the vacuum that were the Movementarians, Marge and Neddy came up  with a clever solution to break the spell.  Hover bikes.  Now, were the Simpsons children disappointed when they learned they were duped by their mother?  Sure.  They also realized it was for their own good.  We need a democrat with hover bikes and then once in office pass some strict laws to stop this from ever happening again.

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12 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

He can't handle the truth.

 

I can’t wait for the parsing of what 8 times really means and how it’s really 6, no 4, no 1, no 0, no Biden is really the bad guy and Trump has the duty, no obligation to investigate.  

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