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59 minutes ago, The General said:

Do any Trump supporters bother to post anymore in here?

 

Why would they?  Anybody who is not a liberal is incessantly attacked/mocked/ridiculed in this forum.  There is really no honest attempt to hear the other side.   

I'm not sure why I even come around and I'm not a Trump supporter per se and am seriously considering a vote for Klobuchar.

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27 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

Why would they?  Anybody who is not a liberal is incessantly attacked/mocked/ridiculed in this forum.  There is really no honest attempt to hear the other side.   

I'm not sure why I even come around and I'm not a Trump supporter per se and am seriously considering a vote for Klobuchar.

Poor white guy getting attacked by other white guys.

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33 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

Why would they?  Anybody who is not a liberal is incessantly attacked/mocked/ridiculed in this forum.  There is really no honest attempt to hear the other side.   

I'm not sure why I even come around and I'm not a Trump supporter per se and am seriously considering a vote for Klobuchar.

This gets a little old doesn’t it? If you offer honest conversation I’m sure you’ll get it in return. The vast majority of when people get ridiculed is when they DON’T offer honest conversation: either they’re gloating or mocking or they repeat an argument which has been debunked many times (for example, tonight @Bozeman Bruiser repeated the lie that Joe Biden got a guy fired who was investigating his son. So many people in the past  have pointed out to Bozeman that this is false, and have provided links to prove it. He never responds to them, waits a day or too, and then posts it again. How should people react to this?) 

But I’m curious: Klobuchar represents a 180 degree separation from Donald Trump on most issues: she is an internationalist, pro free trade, pro immigration, pro NATO, she believes in climate change, she will protect and preserve Obamacare, she wants to raise taxes on the very wealthy, she will appoint liberal judges who support woman’s reproductive choices. She’s level headed, competent, and there’s never been a hint of corruption about her. So why would you consider her over Trump? Do you find these attributes attractive? 

(Realistically Klobuchar needs to come in 1st or 2nd in Iowa to stay in the race. That doesn’t look so good right now.) 

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1 hour ago, TripItUp said:

Why would they?  Anybody who is not a liberal is incessantly attacked/mocked/ridiculed in this forum.  There is really no honest attempt to hear the other side.   

I'm not sure why I even come around and I'm not a Trump supporter per se and am seriously considering a vote for Klobuchar.

Do you really think Yankee23Fan, IvanKaramazov, Maurile Tremblay, SaintsInDome2006, etc. are attacked/mocked/ridiculed incessantly?

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4 hours ago, TripItUp said:

Why would they?  Anybody who is not a liberal is incessantly attacked/mocked/ridiculed in this forum.  There is really no honest attempt to hear the other side.   

I'm not sure why I even come around and I'm not a Trump supporter per se and am seriously considering a vote for Klobuchar.

Hardly. They are asked to explain this guys actions and justify how they can support him. I’m sure that gets tiring.

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7 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Iirc today went like:

- Purpura - 1780’s Founders were trying to prevent problems from a parliamentary system that came into place in 1860s UK.

- Starr - ‘gosh I’m sorry about that whole Clinton thing.’

- Dershowitz - impeachment is an abuse of Congressional power.

- Bondi - Burisma, Zlochevsky, Yahtzee.

You missed the part when they said Obama is the real perp.

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Adam Schiff took a bit of a hit at the impeachment inquiry for his mock portrayal of Trump as a mob boss and rightly so. What will the cost be for Pam Bondi's highly exaggerated version of Hunter Biden which was loaded with facts not in evidence. I would assume this will backfire seeing how there aren't any Democrats in Iowa tuning into Limbaugh or Fox news in Iowa who lapped up Bondi's bogus story. Unfortunately there is a chance it could hurt Biden in a general election who will tune into Trump at rallies repeating the same misinformation campaign he has been successful with in the past

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

R Sen. Lankford on Fox says Senate needs to see the manuscript.

This was always Trumps problem with Bolton, a whole bunch of Republican Senators trust Bolton more than Trump.  This made it an intra-Republican fight with forces that still have a lot of sway in the party (and it helps that Bolton’s PAC throws money around).

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3 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

“I don’t see the need to have more witnesses unless we have a lot more witnesses,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.). “I don’t know what the country would gain from that.”

 

So what is the problem with a lot more witnesses?

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8 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

R Sen. Lankford on Fox says Senate needs to see the manuscript.

So want to see manuscript that could be "dramatized" but don't want to hear from a witness under oath that they can question about the manuscript?

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6 hours ago, TripItUp said:

Why would they?  Anybody who is not a liberal is incessantly attacked/mocked/ridiculed in this forum.  There is really no honest attempt to hear the other side.   

I'm not sure why I even come around and I'm not a Trump supporter per se and am seriously considering a vote for Klobuchar.

Well...when the posts are about needing to investigate the irs scandal and fast and furious...
Also, part of the problem is thinking any disagreement is an attack.

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What a terrible day for Trump’s defense team yesterday. 

First you had Ken Starr complaining about the proliferation of impeachments. 

Next you had Pam Bondi spreading a bunch of Breitbart nonsense about Hunter Biden as a few dozen traditionalist Republican Senators fidgeted and gritted their teeth, visibly looking to escape. 

Finally there was Alan Dershowitz with his “Trump could take out an AR-15 and mow down his own secret service and it would not rise to the level of impeachable offense!” argument. 

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1 hour ago, lazyike said:

Asim Schiff took a bit of a hit at the impeachment inquiry for his mock portrayal of Trump as a mob boss and rightly so.

Definitely a misstep by Schiff, I was so disappointed when I first learned of it. The GOP is getting a lot of mileage out of it which is frustrating to me, seeing as how the really meaningful actions (and truly egregious missteps) can be drowned out by something that’s just unwise. The Dems need to be perfect and this was one unforced error. While I’m on that topic, I don’t think Schiff’s “head on a pike” comment was an error. He clearly qualified that it was from one media outlet and he also repeatedly said he hoped it was false. He did the same thing before his stupid dramatic re-enactment (giving a disclaimer) but it wasn’t enough.

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 Alan Dershowitz complained bitterly to reporters yesterday that Jeffrey Epstein ruined his life, that though he (Dershowitz) was innocent, good friends no longer spoke to him and he wasn’t invited any more to parties at Martha’s Vineyard. He said he ran into Trump at the buffet line at Mar A Lago and Trump was one of the few people who said he believed Dershowitz about Epstein. 

You can’t make this stuff up. 

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7 hours ago, TripItUp said:

Why would they?  Anybody who is not a liberal is incessantly attacked/mocked/ridiculed in this forum.  There is really no honest attempt to hear the other side.   

I'm not sure why I even come around and I'm not a Trump supporter per se and am seriously considering a vote for Klobuchar.

Personal anecdote for sure, but this has not been my experience. :shrug: 

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17 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Finally there was Alan Dershowitz with his “Trump could take out an AR-15 and mow down his own secret service and it would not rise to the level of impeachable offense!” argument. 

I'd argue that "mowing down his own secret service" is less a threat to the nation and its future than trading policy for personal favors.  So if the latter is not impeachable then of course the former is just fine for the president.

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17 minutes ago, timschochet said:

What a terrible day for Trump’s defense team yesterday. 

First you had Ken Starr complaining about the proliferation of impeachments. 

Next you had Pam Bondi spreading a bunch of Breitbart nonsense about Hunter Biden as a few dozen traditionalist Republican Senators fidgeted and gritted their teeth, visibly looking to escape. 

Finally there was Alan Dershowitz with his “Trump could take out an AR-15 and mow down his own secret service and it would not rise to the level of impeachable offense!” argument. 

Oh I forgot to mention that Herschmann guy who, among a slew of ridiculous comments, suggested that it was Barack Obama who ought to be impeached. I’m sure that made ONE viewer very happy. 

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1 hour ago, lazyike said:

Asim Schiff took a bit of a hit at the impeachment inquiry for his mock portrayal of Trump as a mob boss and rightly so. What will the cost be for Pam Bondi's highly exaggerated version of Hunter Biden which was loaded with facts not in evidence. I would assume this will backfire seeing how there aren't any Democrats in Iowa tuning into Limbaugh or Fox news in Iowa who lapped up Bondi's bogus story. Unfortunately there is a chance it could hurt Biden in a general election who will tune into Trump at rallies repeating the same misinformation campaign he has been successful with in the past

 

Republican politicians are not held to the same standards of accuracy by Trump's base. Fox News's reason for existence is to maintain this loyalty.

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9 hours ago, badmojo1006 said:

I know that I like to do this from time to time but:

Let's all just take a minute and imagine what Fox News would be saying if this story was about Obama or Hillary.

 

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11 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

During these opening statements of the impeachment trial, only House managers and the President's lawyers are allowed to speak.

Dershowitz is definitely the President's lawyer.

"I'm not biased in favor of my own client" should be too dumb a claim to make out loud.

I wasn't watching-did he really claim not to be the President's lawyer? If so, and he is speaking, doesn't that make him a witness? If I'm a House Manager, I'm filing a motion claiming that the Senate has already allowed the defense to submit witness testimony and therefore the House must be allowed to do so. I'd love to hear the defense argue "no, he's not a witness, he's one of the President's attorneys. He simply lied to the tribunal".

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11 hours ago, zoonation said:

Imagine the #### that has been and continues to get buried in that house.  This far in, Trump still has people selling him out from the inside.  

imagine what full disclosure would look like?  Bananas.  

Somebody retweeted Liz Warren today promising to make every document relating to Trump's misdeeds public if she's elected.

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12 hours ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Has there been any evidence of innocence presented today by the defense? 

I've definitely started to question things in light of the Bolton testimony.  But the idea that the accused has to prove their innocence is not one of them. 

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14 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Pat Bondi did sadly explain that she was truly reluctant to spend a hour spewing slime and false innuendo against Hunter Biden; she really didn’t want to do it, but the Democrats forced her into it. 

Those Dastardly Democrats.

 

I may copyright Dastardly Democrats before the President coopts it.

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15 minutes ago, jm192 said:

I've definitely started to question things in light of the Bolton testimony.  But the idea that the accused has to prove their innocence is not one of them. 

The idea is to disprove the accusations of guilt. Trump and his lawyers have done nothing to make that happen, in fact have set his presumption of innocence back. I have never seen anyone who is innocent just ignore how to normally prove innocence and instead attack the prosecution.

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17 minutes ago, jm192 said:

I've definitely started to question things in light of the Bolton testimony.  But the idea that the accused has to prove their innocence is not one of them. 

I agree 100% but then I don't believe the accused should be able to withhold evidence and testimony of witnesses either

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Periodic local talk radio update: this is damning evidence of the president and really puts the Democrats in a difficult position. Because they won't know how hard they can push without upsetting Republican voters. And might expose Joe Biden's past corruption if they get Bolton to the witness stand.

This took about five minutes and then they went back to railing on how awful the city's squeegee kids are.

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16 minutes ago, Kal El said:

The idea is to disprove the accusations of guilt. Trump and his lawyers have done nothing to make that happen, in fact have set his presumption of innocence back. I have never seen anyone who is innocent just ignore how to normally prove innocence and instead attack the prosecution.

Lots of things from the House have been atypical, as well.

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9 minutes ago, squistion said:

:mellow:

Sean Hannity defends Trump:

"So if you say 'I want to kill this person,' ok, what crime have you committed?  Did you kill the person? No. Did you think about it for a second? Yeah but you didn't do it."

https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1221978826663694340 (video clip at link)

Jesus had quite a different opinion about that: "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.'  But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.
Matthew 5:21‭-‬22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.5.21-22.ESV

 

Just goes to show once again that God is not a Republican.

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36 minutes ago, jm192 said:

I've definitely started to question things in light of the Bolton testimony.  But the idea that the accused has to prove their innocence is not one of them. 

State Department is not accused, not are any of the subpoenaed witnesses.  Trump doesn't have to prove his innocence but his government does have to cooperate with constitutional oversight.

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