But between acquittal and November, our dear leader will be able to marshall the forces of Russia, China, you name it, to help him win the election. No need for covert action, he’ll have a blank check. I don’t know how to quantify the effect of whatever kind of election assistance he’s going to be able to muster but it might be enough to swing some key states. Free and fair elections? That’s so quaint.
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***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (3 Viewers)
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timschochet
Footballguy
That parts true. He can do what he wants now, break any law with impunity. What’s to stop him?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I can’t imagine the absolute disgrace the State of the Union will be. Republicans giving President Trump a standing ovation when he enters the room?
Dickies
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m sure you’re very much aware where that phrase comes from. And it’s in keeping with how President Trump has been willing to destroy any Republican who defies his wishes.
Donald Trump is now the most powerful person in the entire history of the Republican Party. It wasn’t a difficult conquest. In 4 short years he has simply taken over. He’s faced no opposition in doing so.
He who laughs last ... I agree the lack of witnesses and the likely disclosure of more QPQ evidence against Trump will hurt those Senators in the long run. I'm hoping our highly popular Secretary of Agriculture (3rd highest role in the state) , Nikki Fried, mounts a campaign against Rubio in 2 years.
dkp993
Footballguy
So now we’re taking past quotes into account when forming an opinion. Dangerous game as a Trump supporter.
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Mile High
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Were they seriously arguing the unitary executive theory today?
Phil Elliott
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
This is the worst excuse I’ve ever heard and I’ve been teaching junior high for 24 years.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
They were arguing unitary exec before today. Today they went monarchical, and not constitutional monarchy monarchical but Louis XIV monarchical.
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
It looks like the unitary executive means something a bit different than I thought it did. I assumed it was a form of constitutional monarchy. It seems to be simply a textual reading of the first lines of Article II. I guess I've always conflated the two, though they may walk hand in hand.
What is stunning is that they indeed have gone to monarchical powers. That beggars belief, both in political hubris and in scholarship.
What is stunning is that they indeed have gone to monarchical powers. That beggars belief, both in political hubris and in scholarship.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
He did? I'm unaware of him ever saying that but maybe he did.
Do you have a link or something?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Actually I'm not sure. That's why I'm asking.
Also, I think you're way over exaggerating with Trump and the Republican party. Seems to be a pattern with those who don't like Trump. It gets amped up every week The next thing you know he's killing babies and blowing up the world.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Sounds ominous.
Head on a pike is, of course, abhorrent in imagery and in political discourse. That we're even debating that he said it speaks volumes.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I see a lot of people saying this. Why is this surprising for the Trump administration to argue?
timschochet
Footballguy
Does it matter? We have a pretty long history over the past several years of Trump’s tweets and statements so much so that we know already that whoever it is, they’re merely imitating the guy in charge.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I’ll guess Chris Ruddy. He’s frequently available, ebullient and well spoken. He’s also best describable as a ‘confidante.’
rockaction
Footballguy
Good point. I suppose if I was in the position he was in, I'd want people to believe what he is arguing.
I guess hearing the Dershowitz arguments was like a cold slap, really.
timschochet
Footballguy
In retrospect nearly all of Nancy Pelosi’s decisions from the beginning of this affair look pretty brilliant. She knew from the start that any impeachment would lead to an acquittal in the Senate; her goal therefore was not to remove Trump (impossible) but to damage both Trump and the Republicans so badly that they would not recover by November. This seems to be a pretty good bet. Her master stroke was to withhold the articles of impeachment for nearly 3 weeks in order to put before the public the issues of witnesses and a fair trial. This she has succeeded to do and McConnell has fallen right into her trap. The public is not going to like this cover up at all.
Of course Pelosi could still lose this situation: progressives inside her party might force a Bernie Sanders nomination which would effectively upend everything she’s achieved here. Or something else unexpected might occur. But her strategy has been quite solid.
Of course Pelosi could still lose this situation: progressives inside her party might force a Bernie Sanders nomination which would effectively upend everything she’s achieved here. Or something else unexpected might occur. But her strategy has been quite solid.
If it comes to Trump tweeting i would be surprised if Stephen Miller was not writing them with him. You can hear the awkwardness.
timschochet
Footballguy
Richard Nixon essentially made the same argument in 1975 in his first David Frost interview: “I have always held that if the President does it it is not against the law.” But at the time nobody took him seriously.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
“With the impeachment trial over without even calling witnesses, Senator x wouldn’t do the bare minimum to protect the country against Donald Trump. Why would he/she ever do anything to protect you?”
Jackstraw
Footballguy
Threw up in my mouth a little bit. It will be interesting if he can get through the speech without more dementia slurring. Glitched out again last night at a rally. I have my doubts if he can stand the stress of another campaign. Incredibly hard work even for a healthy person.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
From the way that Clinton, W, and Obama aged during their presidencies, I think being President is more stress than campaigning, but maybe Trump is immune to that because he doesn't read anything or think critically very often.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Mornin' fam! Going for a quick 5 mile run to get ready for another frustrating day if anybody wants to join me.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Zumba should be part of the Presidential Fitness Test. Not sure if that's even a thing any more but it should be. Their calves would be KA-POW!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
No offense Tim, but this reads like a HUGE stretch to try and find some sort of silver lining in a fiasco that doesn't have one and clearly didn't have one from the beginning. It's now a "master stroke" to "withhold" the articles over Christmas break when no one was there anyway? This was ALWAYS going to come down to the people holding our politicians accountable at the ballot box. It's the only group left with any semblance of integrity left and even that is waning. NONE of her actions change that reality. It's absolutely absurd from my POV is that the Democrats have not been pounding this message of "If things go as planned, Congress has failed you and you need to get out and vote in November to make it right" for the last several months. Should have started the minute Trump instructed anyone and everyone to not cooperate with the investigation.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I mostly agree but I think the impeachment has brought to light just how corrupt Trump is and how the GOP congress and senate turn a blind eye to it. As someone that has voted for Republicans for President, senate and congress numerous times in the past I can tell you that will not vote for another in a national election for at least 8-10 years until this current crop are all or mostly gone.
I have no idea how they can sleep at night.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Assuming no witnesses and acquittal, it seems like Trump could continue to send people like Rudy or whoever else he comes up with to any country we give aid to and extort whatever he feels. Rudy never stopped what he was doing anyway, so now what? What a precedent, regardless of who is in power.
How about if Biden becomes president, can he then withhold arms to Saudi Arabia unless they investigate Jared Kushner and make public any information they might have hacked off his phone?
What if SA had said info and coordinated its release thru the Washington post to help Biden (for whatever reason.) And Hunter meets with some saudis thst are offering dirt.
How about if Biden becomes president, can he then withhold arms to Saudi Arabia unless they investigate Jared Kushner and make public any information they might have hacked off his phone?
What if SA had said info and coordinated its release thru the Washington post to help Biden (for whatever reason.) And Hunter meets with some saudis thst are offering dirt.
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They age poorly because of all the corruption they are leading, knowing that they are a slip up from prison. Trump doesn't have that problem, as evidence by the fact that he looks the same as the day he won.
The Commish
Footballguy
It's definitely been an illustration in corruption. The question has always been "will people care?" In all the polling well over 80% of the country made up their minds before impeachment ever started. During this entire fiasco, those numbers didn't change all that much. And I am sad to say, if someone doesn't already have an opinion one way or the other by now, I doubt they are paying attention to ANY of what's going on to make up their minds. They will most likely be deciding on policy direction and the like. Perhaps I am wrong. There's no question the actions here will make fantastic political commercials. My question is, will the DNC be organized enough and be able to provide a single coherent message enough to utilize the events? We'll see. I've been able to vote since 1992 and this will be the first time I ever vote for a Democrat for President. I've been a third party voter til now.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I really don’t understand the supporter who is incapable of criticizing his candidate. Maybe you have somewhere and I have just missed it, but your posts (that I’ve read) are 100% Trump can do no wrong.
The Commish
Footballguy
For those putting in the work to be President, sure. But let's be honest, all he's really been doing is campaigning since he took office. Well, that and golfing. And I am NOT complaining about that. I am very thankful that the only thing he got accomplished with complete control was the tax bill. It could have been significantly worse if he knew what he was doing.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It amazes me that someone can hear and see all of the evidence and come to the conclusion this president hasn't done some shady things. Even if you feel it was justified and/or doesn't rise to the level for impeachment it is beyond me how anyone can believe that Trump's actions were entirely above board.
It is like we live in a bizarro world where lies=truth, corruption=integrity.
msommer
Footballguy
Phil Elliott
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Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Looks like some of the excitement today will be Rand Paul trying to name the whistleblower. He reported submitted a question last night to Roberts but Roberts wouldn’t read the question. Rand said he would pursue today.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
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