timschochet
Footballguy
Not important. In fact, I don’t think there’s anything more to be learned from this testimony, now that the whistleblower complaint has been released.
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(Acting) Director of National Intelligence Testimony Thread (1 Viewer)
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Just going on the early questions - but I think the Dems are really going after the DOJ (and Barr) and whoever in the White House said to keep this under wraps.
Maguire is the unfortunate go-between - but they need Maguire to lay out precisely why he did not turn over the complaint, and who directed him to withhold the allegations from Congress.
I like Maguire. He seems like a righteous dude.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Yeah, your spin ain't workin. Sorry.So, networks are pre-emptying programming so everybody can watch the Democrats beat up on a lifelong public servant who has simply been acting within the bounds of the law.
Up until now, I had always considered the Republicans the stupid party...
timschochet
Footballguy
Yes the Democrats are going to come away from this looking like the bad guys.So, networks are pre-emptying programming so everybody can watch the Democrats beat up on a lifelong public servant who has simply been acting within the bounds of the law.
Up until now, I had always considered the Republicans the stupid party...
cosjobs
Footballguy
Disagree - this is still a PR battle - we now know the conduct, but you want a neutral to help define the conduct for the public.
"DNI says allegations are troubling" - gets a lot of people in the middle to think beyond partisanship.
cosjobs
Footballguy
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
The questioning going on now is beating a dead horse. He has explained it over and over yet they don't listen and keep on.So, networks are pre-emptying programming so everybody can watch the Democrats beat up on a lifelong public servant who has simply been acting within the bounds of the law.
Up until now, I had always considered the Republicans the stupid party...
timschochet
Footballguy
This guy wants us to believe that the IG never read the transcript and if he had, he would have decided that the whistleblower complaint wasn’t credible? Really?
timschochet
Footballguy
I actually agree with this. But 90% of public hearings go on this way because each of these guys want their spotlight on television.
And yet there is no better way to get the truth out.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
Adam Schiff saying that Trump asked Ukraine to make up dirt on his political opponents is nice cover in case they do happen to have anything. Now they can just say it's fake like they did for the WikiLeaks emails.
That is one of the top GOP talking points - the "transcript" shows that Trump had the first perfect call in the history of phone calls.
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s the old Clinton strategy: you get the bad news out there as soon as possible, and then whenever somebody talks about it, you yell “old news! Move on!”
Its usually an effective strategy, unless the news is really really bad. Like in this case.
It might just be me - but I don't think the Dems will go to the mat for Biden - if facts come out that show some corruption on his part, he will have to face those consequences.
timschochet
Footballguy
Jaysus
Good times!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
One observation- there’s going to be a lot of public hearings, and in the larger scheme of things this one is pretty minor- but it’s already a thousand times more riveting than the Mueller testimony. That testimony bombed with the public. This won’t.
Zow
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The funny thing is Trump will impugn him himself. He both withheld and also delivered. He wouldn’t comment on the substance but he did say those making the claims were in good faith and credible and the claim itself is urgent and important. Pick your poison, Trumpites.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well it’s one incident instead of hundreds and the report came out immediately as opposed to 2 years. As they say in football this is a bam bam play.
But Tim is right - this incident will resonate - because its a bam-bam play.
99% of the public don't have the time nor inclination to understand complex topics.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Swallwell is really struggling here, easy to see why he couldn't even outlast the dreadful Dems running for President.
whoknew
Footballguy
Interesting. I'm not watching but 538 thought he was smart to get to the issues of the complaint.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I like to think the last thing that goes through Trump's head before he resigns is how the hell that Little Adam Schiff got the best of him.
whoknew
Footballguy
Claire Malone makes a good point -
One thing I’m taking away from two hours of Maguire’s testimony — in which he refuses to weigh in on the veracity or seriousness of the complaints in the whistleblower report — is that I would really like to see the testimony of the whistleblower.
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I look forward to seeing John Bolton up there testifying.
One thing I’m taking away from two hours of Maguire’s testimony — in which he refuses to weigh in on the veracity or seriousness of the complaints in the whistleblower report — is that I would really like to see the testimony of the whistleblower.
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I look forward to seeing John Bolton up there testifying.
apalmer
Footballguy
But he didn't spend 15 minutes rambling incoherently about what a great job he's doing, he never mentioned Hillary's emails, Obama or China and he never once used the phrase "Presidential Harassment". How effective can he be?
cosjobs
Footballguy
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Yesterday we got a transcript that is not a transcript, today they release a whistleblower complaint that is based on the call that was or was not captured in the transcript that is not a transcript and the complaint lays out that the complaintant was not on the call but trusts the half dozen that were on or privy to the call. Good thing we have an inquiry to sort through what is going on because right now I am not sure what to believe. I am totally shocked that one side is characterizing this as a nothing burger and the other is characterizing this as the most egregious abuse of the powers of the presidency in the history of presidencies.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I so want this to play out like the scene in A Few Good Men. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
this probably make its way through the clutter...
https://twitter.com/DavidJollyFL/status/1177235311321079809/photo/1
whoknew
Footballguy
He didn't ask any questions.
He just tried to make it seem like a) there was nothing in the transcript and b) the transcript is all that's in the complaint.
Not that it matters, but I don't have a problem with how DNI Maguire handled this - 4 days into the job.
I think it was wrong to withhold the information from Congress - but I think he took appropriate steps to ensure he was acting within the law. I blame DOJ, OLC, and the White House for trying to cover this up.
I think it was wrong to withhold the information from Congress - but I think he took appropriate steps to ensure he was acting within the law. I blame DOJ, OLC, and the White House for trying to cover this up.
joffer
Footballguy
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
and there it is again
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
I just don't understand the adversarial approach the Dems are taking here. IMO, it makes them look bad and whatever point they're trying to hammer home is not resonating with me.
Q: Could WH be hiding other calls with leaders like Putin or MBS?
(Complaint says this was "not the first time" WH used system to protect "politically sensitive" info.)
Maguire: How WH and NSC conduct their business is their business. All we have is second hand allegation.
Open up the vault boys, we're gonna need to take a look inside...
(Complaint says this was "not the first time" WH used system to protect "politically sensitive" info.)
Maguire: How WH and NSC conduct their business is their business. All we have is second hand allegation.
Open up the vault boys, we're gonna need to take a look inside...
Nobody is watching this - the soundbites and headlines will be the only things that get distributed.
GOP got nothing so far. Dems have a treasure trove.
