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4 minutes ago, whoknew said:

To the Star Wars diehards - are there going to be more movies in the original storyline? Or will they just branch off and do other stories?

I don't think anyone knows much about the next release in 2022, but the current understanding is that Star Wars will continue with a new storyline and characters.

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Nobody wants to hear but.... I saw A New Hope (which we all just knew as Star Wars for most of my childhood) when I was 7.  My uncle took my cousins and I.  I grew up watchng them all, moved

Went to see this last Monday. About 20 minutes in I had a sorta epiphany about these new run of Star Wars.... These movies all have incredible visuals and hyper creative worlds. The sets, setting

This movie was outstanding. Suck it, haters.

1 hour ago, Insein said:

Should also be noted that this isn't some alt right straight white male. This is a very left leaning, director that has analyzed this from a film making perspective on what not to do if you wish to make a successful movie.

And yet, it will likely be 10 times more successful than every project this guy works on in his lifetime, combined. If he writes his movies the way he writes his tweets, he’s going nowhere. 

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5 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

And yet, it will likely be 10 times more successful than every project this guy works on in his lifetime, combined. If he writes his movies the way he writes his tweets, he’s going nowhere. 

He's focusing on the structure of the script and how to build a film for new students. I mean I'm not an expert on film making and usually think professors are a bit overblown but Columbia apparently thinks hes worth allowing to teach a class for them. So what do I know.

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3 hours ago, Insein said:

I mean you can like the new movies and have fun with them, but there is no way you can consider them written well. They are literally using TLJ as an example of bad screenwriting at Columbia for future film makers. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/boundingintocomics.com/2019/12/03/bionic-woman-producer-kamran-pasha-uses-star-wars-the-last-jedi-to-teach-about-bad-screenwriting/amp/

LOL at "no love for Star Wars". That is code for "fan boy" if I've ever seen it. 

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25 minutes ago, Insein said:

He's focusing on the structure of the script and how to build a film for new students. I mean I'm not an expert on film making and usually think professors are a bit overblown but Columbia apparently thinks hes worth allowing to teach a class for them. So what do I know.

He’s definitely not a professor at Columbia. 
 

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I’ve done screenwriting seminars at Columbia, University of Chicago and other great schools.

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Had to laugh at this little blurb/review as I was looking at lists of the best movies of the decade:

Shut up, internet. Just shut it. Your poseury is showing. If you hated this movie, if you rage all over the forums in despair over this “betrayal,” you’re a faker. You’re not a real fan. Simple. Oh, you might think you are. You grew up with these movies. You know the name of every Jedi on the Council, even that fish-faced one. But you missed it. The whole point. The spirit of the enterprise. Like Empire before it, Last Jedi did what every worthy midpoint in a trilogy is supposed to do: blow #### up. Lop off some body parts. Take chances on a side quest that’s maybe more narrative convenience than coherent thematic enrichment—but who cares! Otherworldly casinos and stampeding space horses! Also, that silent scene where Laura Dern does the suicidal slice took guts none of you haters have. So don’t take out your personal unhappiness and shrinking self-worth on Rian Johnson’s awesome, expansive contribution to the franchise—the best, indeed, since Empire. Get offline. Take a walk. Maybe go as far as an unlocatable island in the middle of the ocean, where you can meditate on your failures, Luke-like, for the rest of time  

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8 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

What don't you like about the Marvel franchise that you don't want brought to Star Wars?

 

A little saturated at this point.  I am jumping ship for awhile.  

Well, probably not with two boys.. but 3 movies a year for the last 3-4 years has burned me out a tad.

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10 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Had to laugh at this little blurb/review as I was looking at lists of the best movies of the decade:

Shut up, internet. Just shut it. Your poseury is showing. If you hated this movie, if you rage all over the forums in despair over this “betrayal,” you’re a faker. You’re not a real fan. Simple. Oh, you might think you are. You grew up with these movies. You know the name of every Jedi on the Council, even that fish-faced one. But you missed it. The whole point. The spirit of the enterprise. Like Empire before it, Last Jedi did what every worthy midpoint in a trilogy is supposed to do: blow #### up. Lop off some body parts. Take chances on a side quest that’s maybe more narrative convenience than coherent thematic enrichment—but who cares! Otherworldly casinos and stampeding space horses! Also, that silent scene where Laura Dern does the suicidal slice took guts none of you haters have. So don’t take out your personal unhappiness and shrinking self-worth on Rian Johnson’s awesome, expansive contribution to the franchise—the best, indeed, since Empire. Get offline. Take a walk. Maybe go as far as an unlocatable island in the middle of the ocean, where you can meditate on your failures, Luke-like, for the rest of time  

I started rewatching again last night (which would only be my fourth time total) and it isn’t as bad as I remember — although I went to bed before casino world. 

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9 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

I started rewatching again last night (which would only be my fourth time total) and it isn’t as bad as I remember — although I went to bed before casino world. 

When my boy and I watch I skip through the casino scene. I have to think that is a lot of people’s problem. 

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13 minutes ago, matuski said:

A little saturated at this point.  I am jumping ship for awhile.  

Well, probably not with two boys.. but 3 movies a year for the last 3-4 years has burned me out a tad.

So more just the 3x per year, not necessarily what they did with it? 

How about if they the Marvel structure, but 1 movie a year? 

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4 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

So more just the 3x per year, not necessarily what they did with it? 

How about if they the Marvel structure, but 1 movie a year? 

I haven't seen anything new or compelling out of the Star Wars franchise (I haven't seen Mandalorian yet)... I'm not sure I buy that they can produce stand alone efforts and make it a cohesive run.

In my opinion they had to somewhat plagiarize their own material from the same saga in order to simply finish the 9.

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12 hours ago, cubd8 said:

I don't think anyone knows much about the next release in 2022, but the current understanding is that Star Wars will continue with a new storyline and characters.

Yeah, isn't Chewbacca the only survivor now?

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On 12/27/2019 at 7:49 AM, B Maverick said:

I remember hearing that too.  There is a Lucas interview somewhere where he mentions the three trilogies.  Heck, may even be apart of the box set of the original trilogies that has it....I  just dont have a vcr to play them to find out :lmao:

I highly doubt it. There was the original three which Lucas bet his entire career on, literally. That's all he ever had. Then he milked it for 10-20 years and got his creative juices flowing again when cgi became the rage. The rest is history

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I’ve been reading a lot of fan criticism/reviews.

 Mike of my feelings on this movie have changed, but I’m going back to where I was a year ago when I was furious with Rian Johnson.

This trilogy will never be what it could have been.  JJ did a great job of saving it, and I’ll always love this new one...but man did TLJ screw up the continuity.

I hope Disney learns their lessons and I think they will, but I understand why people are disappointed.  The story was awesome overall, but it could have been much better.

In the end, I can see myself in the future watching TFA and then TROS and skipping TLJ.

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23 hours ago, Insein said:

Should also be noted that this isn't some alt right straight white male. This is a very left leaning, director that has analyzed this from a film making perspective on what not to do if you wish to make a successful movie.

Who gives a crap what his political affiliations are?  Politics ruins enough stuff, let’s keep it completely out of the conversation. The movie was successful, so if he’s analyzing what’s not successful about it, than he’s wrong.  

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11 minutes ago, shader said:

I’ve been reading a lot of fan criticism/reviews.

 Mike of my feelings on this movie have changed, but I’m going back to where I was a year ago when I was furious with Rian Johnson.

This trilogy will never be what it could have been.  JJ did a great job of saving it, and I’ll always love this new one...but man did TLJ screw up the continuity.

I hope Disney learns their lessons and I think they will, but I understand why people are disappointed.  The story was awesome overall, but it could have been much better.

In the end, I can see myself in the future watching TFA and then TROS and skipping TLJ.

Nothing wrong with that feeling at all. You are correct to say there should have had the same director for all three, at the least have the trilogy written and plotted out by one main group before handing it to directors.

I still like the Rey/Luke and Rey/kylo stories in tlj. I really like the ending with Luke pulling his remote control stuff and then the scene of his dying with the double sun sunset. I could skip the flying Leia, slow motion chase and the casino.

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16 minutes ago, tommyboy said:

Nothing wrong with that feeling at all. You are correct to say there should have had the same director for all three, at the least have the trilogy written and plotted out by one main group before handing it to directors.

I still like the Rey/Luke and Rey/kylo stories in tlj. I really like the ending with Luke pulling his remote control stuff and then the scene of his dying with the double sun sunset. I could skip the flying Leia, slow motion chase and the casino.

There are some great things about it.  Me and some friends were discussing what value that movie had now that 9 is out.  Much like episode 2, not much.  Some great scenes, but ultimately not a movie that progresses the story, unlike ESB.

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1 hour ago, shader said:

I’ve been reading a lot of fan criticism/reviews.

 Mike of my feelings on this movie have changed, but I’m going back to where I was a year ago when I was furious with Rian Johnson.

This trilogy will never be what it could have been.  JJ did a great job of saving it, and I’ll always love this new one...but man did TLJ screw up the continuity.

I hope Disney learns their lessons and I think they will, but I understand why people are disappointed.  The story was awesome overall, but it could have been much better.

In the end, I can see myself in the future watching TFA and then TROS and skipping TLJ.

Is that Johnsons fault or Disney? 

We will just agree that "saving it" = rehashing another movie like he did for 7.  Mostly I just think it was a way overcorrection from Disney because of some grumpy fans so they went back to what made them $ and played it safe.  

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On 12/27/2019 at 9:11 PM, whoknew said:

Just got back from it. I'm sure the diehards found a way to hate it.

I thought it was great. Super entertaining. Ray is smoking hot and kicking ###. Really fun movie (though it is Star Wars - so a level of cheese is expected).

 

I am a die hard. I really enjoyed it.

There are plenty of die hards who enjoyed this movie and The Force Awakens. Fun Star Wars flicks. 

I can tell you that Rogue One and The Mandolorian are examples of what we want more of. That is for sure. And I think we will get all of that. 

I hope they go back to the Old Republic in future films. That would be pretty awesome. 

 

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4 hours ago, shader said:

There are some great things about it.  Me and some friends were discussing what value that movie had now that 9 is out.  Much like episode 2, not much.  Some great scenes, but ultimately not a movie that progresses the story, unlike ESB.

I think you are talking about TLJ not progressing the story - which to me is ironic considering they tried hard to move the story forward in that move.  Until Abrams scrapped a lot of the concepts and went back to producing a Star Wars victory lap in the latest movie.

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14 hours ago, Capella said:

When my boy and I watch I skip through the casino scene. I have to think that is a lot of people’s problem. 

That whole sequence is pure cringe. Finn and Rose?   No thanks.  Space Leia?  Good lord.  

But my biggest problem is the Luke treatment.  He is slightly redeemed at the end (which was an awesome sequence) but they ruined him for me.  

i thought Johnson did a lot of cool stuff but ultimately the movie was bad imo.  Not episode 1 and 2 bad, but still bad.  

loved episode 9.  

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Just saw it a second time with the wife, kids, parents and nephews. Everyone loved it. 
 

noticed on this 2nd viewing that Kylo’s face scar is gone after Leia “saves” him. Nice little touch. 

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14 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

Is that Johnsons fault or Disney? 

We will just agree that "saving it" = rehashing another movie like he did for 7.  Mostly I just think it was a way overcorrection from Disney because of some grumpy fans so they went back to what made them $ and played it safe.  

Its entirely entirely disney's fault for lack of oversight  or poor judgement in the execution.  

Star wars, for better or for worse, at least in the body of the "Skywalker Episodes" is what it is, 8 movies in isn't the time to jerk the wheel.  

I recall when Disney purchased it, they proclaimed the possibility of a movie a year for 50 years.  In that scope, there is time for deviation, I've heard interesting concepts that Lucas got near but didn't do, but stuff like a Star Wars Noir, a Star Wars detective story, and I think in that broader EU you can experiment.  

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Just now, Smack Tripper said:

Its entirely entirely disney's fault for lack of oversight  or poor judgement in the execution.  

Star wars, for better or for worse, at least in the body of the "Skywalker Episodes" is what it is, 8 movies in isn't the time to jerk the wheel.  

I recall when Disney purchased it, they proclaimed the possibility of a movie a year for 50 years.  In that scope, there is time for deviation, I've heard interesting concepts that Lucas got near but didn't do, but stuff like a Star Wars Noir, a Star Wars detective story, and I think in that broader EU you can experiment.  

He got close to this in Episode 2. Just too much time spent on Anakin and Padme. It's important to show them growing together but the execution of it was awful.

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2 minutes ago, Smack Tripper said:

Its entirely entirely disney's fault for lack of oversight  or poor judgement in the execution.  

Star wars, for better or for worse, at least in the body of the "Skywalker Episodes" is what it is, 8 movies in isn't the time to jerk the wheel.  

I recall when Disney purchased it, they proclaimed the possibility of a movie a year for 50 years.  In that scope, there is time for deviation, I've heard interesting concepts that Lucas got near but didn't do, but stuff like a Star Wars Noir, a Star Wars detective story, and I think in that broader EU you can experiment.  

That's what I am trying to wrap my head around.  Pay 4B for something and seemingly not have a plan.  So what it comes across as now is that the people in charge were fine with what Johnson put forth for EP8, and then just backpedaled when people grumbled about *gasp* new ideas put forth, so we get rehashing of ideas in EP9.   This combined with letting Lord and Miller go from Solo (was that after the backlash of Ep8?) and I wonder how willing to put forth ideas like the bolded they are going to be going forward.  

I still hold out hope they can get some great stuff on screen from this universe in the future.   These movies were fun, but the trilogy was a mess.  

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What new concepts are we complaining about re: Last Jedi?  I think we just thought he wasn’t true to Luke’s character/nature and that he didn’t build on the foundation laid in 7. Slowly chasing a ship the whole movie isn’t some new artistically brilliant concept that I “just don’t get” it just makes no sense. I am fine conceptually with the casino world and war profiteering being a part of a story and Luke etc being legendary to inspire non-bloodline people with the force. It just was done poorly. 

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17 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

What new concepts are we complaining about re: Last Jedi?  I think we just thought he wasn’t true to Luke’s character/nature and that he didn’t build on the foundation laid in 7. Slowly chasing a ship the whole movie isn’t some new artistically brilliant concept that I “just don’t get” it just makes no sense. I am fine conceptually with the casino world and war profiteering being a part of a story and Luke etc being legendary to inspire non-bloodline people with the force. It just was done poorly. 

That's what Im not understanding. TLJ didn't offer anything new really except for ####ting all over Luke with no backstory to justify it. 

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47 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

What new concepts are we complaining about re: Last Jedi?  I think we just thought he wasn’t true to Luke’s character/nature and that he didn’t build on the foundation laid in 7. Slowly chasing a ship the whole movie isn’t some new artistically brilliant concept that I “just don’t get” it just makes no sense. I am fine conceptually with the casino world and war profiteering being a part of a story and Luke etc being legendary to inspire non-bloodline people with the force. It just was done poorly. 

I think another concept people are saying they went back on with 9 is that anybody can be strong with the force.   That is what Johnson was going for with Rey's parents and broom boy at the start.  Also with people like Finn and Maz seemingly having the force.  Then Ep went right back everything having to do with a specific bloodline that we have seen before.  

I read an interview with Johnson saying that he did what he thought was best with Luke when he had to try to explain why he was hiding by himself and what his headspace would be like to get him to that point.  Abrams didn't really set anything up in that department in 7, just that Rey was trying to find Luke and he had disappeared.   

So what I gather from most of the pods and critics is these main two themes, plus the fact that Johnson at least tried to do something that wasn't a rehash of 4-6.   

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Saw it for the 2nd time at the matinee. Place was mostly full. Movie is humming along at 20-30$ M per day.

I found myself mentally skipping through some of the first half because I already knew what was coming. Then it heats up again and I got the same emotional impact by the end as I did the first time. Took my 10 and 13 yr old kids and they both thought it was the best of the Rey trilogy. I agree. Very powerful ending

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We just got back.

I'll echo anybody who liked it fine, without loving it. Some silly writing throughout, but that's true of all the SW movies. Wrapped it up fine, gave a little bit to everybody fanwise, and tbh I was happy with Rey's background story. I did think the movie was going to end with 30 mins her and Ben dying and saving each other over and over and over. I also expected a more populated ghost chorus as well, with everybody showing up.

All in all I enjoyed this last trilogy. The first one was pretty cringey writing-wise, but obviously engrained in our youths and collective pyche. The second trilogy with jarjar was awful. I liked rogue 1 quite a bit and don't remember the Han Solo thing at all. I find the mandalorian terrible.

My daughter had a callback for some unnamed SW thing, so onward it goes. Doubtful she gets the part since neither my wife or I are famous, and she hasn't starred on Broadway...but hopefully whatever it is is worthwhile and doesn't get jarjarred.

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