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4 minutes ago, amnesiac said:

quick google search in case anyone was wondering:

NFL helmet:  6 pounds

Bowling ball (adult male): 14-16 pounds 

disclaimer: informational purposes only, not implying anything by this post.  just saw a few guys mention bowling balls and was curious what the actual weights are.  

Just googled the same thing.  Also purely for informational purposes.

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Lifetime Browns fan here (49 years old) that has always despised the Steelers.
 

I believe Garret should be suspended indefinitely with the intent to see how he responds with off season treatment/classes Etc. He knows he screwed up and I appreciate he didn’t try to excuse it (at least I haven’t heard that he has). I hope they do not appeal the decision unless the league is talking lifetime banishment which I think would be an over reaction.

I don’t think any of the Steelers involved in the melee should be suspended. They were protecting their QB, as they should.

I do think the Steelers history of cheap shots on the Browns (James Harrison) and Tomlin’s smug attitude about the Browns through the years played a part of this. The “up and coming” Browns were ready to make a statement to a team that has literally dominated them for decades. I am certain the coaches of the Browns probably used this as a motivation. It certainly backfired!

I had high hopes for Freddy Kitchens but I think he has created a monster with this team that he personally will never be able to gain control of. His opening press conference of “if you ain’t orange and Brown you don’t matter” and “we are going to be the toughest team” has been a detriment to this team. 
 

I also would test Garret for steroids....”ROID RAGE!”

It is unfortunate for a Browns fan, because, although it was not a great game by the Browns, they had defeated their arch rival soundly. They had made their “statement” and no one will hear it because of Garrett! Interesting to see how they fare after this. 

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1 minute ago, Beef Ravioli said:

It is unfortunate for a Browns fan, because, although it was not a great game by the Browns, they had defeated their arch rival soundly. They had made their “statement” and one will hear it because of Garrett! Interesting to see how they fare after this. 

This is a real shame for Browns fans. Instead of celebrating a turn-the-corner win against a hated divisional opponent, all eyes are on Garrett's actions.

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9 hours ago, Mr. Brownstone said:

You can't have some 270 lb. guy swinging what is essentially a weapon at the head of an unhelmeted person. Should be criminal charges from this.


Garrett is the "New Suh"  This incident is way worse than anything Suh has done.  Garrett is a late hitting cheap shot artist.  Could have fractured Rudolph's skull.

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If I was Freddy Kitchens I would have told Garret to clean out his locker.  I would not have allowed him to be interviewed in the facility or most particularly in front of their logo.  I would have told him that he is not going to be playing or practicing with the team again this year.  I would have told him to report to my office first thing in the morning with his agent as we are going to discuss "conduct detrimental" clauses.  I would have told him that when he reports in the morning that if he parked in player parking I would have his car towed.  I would have told him to bring a hat so that he can walk in hat in hand.  I would be out in front of this.  This is unacceptable.  What the league does for 2020 and beyond is up to them, but I would not have him anywhere in sight  this year by team, not league mandate.

As to # 65, were I Freddy Kitchens and I heard that b.s. interview that he was coming to the aid of his guy, Miles Garret not by going after Pouncy or DeCastro who were at that time on him but rather by knocking the helmetless Q.B. to the ground two yards away I would tell him that he can be expected to be suspended by me for two games, including the upcoming Steeler game for conduct detrimental.  I would have told him I do not like cowards, I do not like liars, and we do not throw gas on flames.  I would have told him he needs to be at the facility first thing in the morning with his agent as we are going to have an in-depth discussion about his future.  I would tell him that he will wait, respectfully for me to finish with Garret.  I would tell him that if he did anything to address the press other than to say that he is sorry for his actions, he is waiting to hear from the coach, and he hopes Rudolph is O.K. and he hopes that he can have a career moving forward that would be the end of him.

As for Randall, I would inform him that he will not start or play against the Steelers in the return matchup. I would announce that decision to the world.  I would say that the Browns organization owes it to its community, its fans, and to the league to make certain that it is very clear that dangerous behavior is not the Browns way, that they will not have that as their legacy, and that they are doing all that they can to keep the return matchup from spiraling out of control.  They are taking responsibility for everything which occurred and are doing all they can to make certain this is put to rest.

Now the Steelers, well I, as the Commissioner, would have to suspend Pouncy two games and fine him heavily.  Kicking is not acceptable and kicking at the head of any player, even a #####, is dangerous.  I would then have held one game in abeyance on the condition that if he plays through the return matchup without getting a personal foul that the second game, held in abeyance will fall away as will half of his fine.

 

DeCastro, well if I am Goodell I announce that fighting, even to protect ones mate, is unacceptable.  I would announce that I am considering discipline.  I would discuss the matter with DeCastro at his favorite restaurant where he, DeCastro, arrived in my limo.  I would pick up the tab for he, his lovely wife, and their entire extended family as I contemplated responding in consternation before finally deciding to let it go.   I would be photographed shaking DeCastros hand and patting him on the back while reiterating that league policy is that fighting is bad, M'Kay.

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4 games minimum, but rest of season seems more likely. Pouncey kicked him in the head should also get a suspension, unfortunately. Can't let that slide. But Garrett was helmeted and it was very easy to see why he got kicked. 1 game for that.

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9 hours ago, Capella said:
9 hours ago, -fish- said:

yeah, that's only on TV.   prosecutors decide whether to bring charges.

I’ll be shocked if charges aren’t brought tomorrow. 

Cops were in the Browns locker room last night. Anything they might reasonably be waiting on?

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1 minute ago, Doug B said:

Cops were in the Browns locker room last night. Anything they might reasonably be waiting on?

Running security for both teams like they do every home game?  If they were there to arrest him, it would've been reported already.  I think some are reaching a little too far, or reading a little too much into this piece.

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17 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

This is a real shame for Browns fans. Instead of celebrating a turn-the-corner win against a hated divisional opponent, all eyes are on Garrett's actions.

Yeah, this kind of got lost in this. It’s a shame because the Browns have so much talent and seem to be putting it together somewhat, and now this feels like the wheels coming off right when the ship started to right itself.

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3 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Cops were in the Browns locker room last night. Anything they might reasonably be waiting on?

Prosecutor’s discretion.  They have to determine whether a crime was committed and whether they are willing to prosecute.  Part of that is politics.  What kind of backlash would they face if they charge him?  What if they don’t?

When Marty McSorley was charged with assault, it was two weeks after the game where the incident occurred.

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3 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

Yeah, this kind of got lost in this. It’s a shame because the Browns have so much talent and seem to be putting it together somewhat, and now this feels like the wheels coming off right when the ship started to right itself.

I think it can be spun into a positive, especially given how Baker handled the situation in real time. We'll see if it strengthens the bond or that was the beginning of the end, but I can see how the former could be the path. A major leadership opportunity awaits.

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https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/1837/myles-garrett

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Mason Rudolph's representation could consider legal action against Myles Garrett following Thursday night's on-field incident.

"There are many risks an NFL QB assumes with every snap taken on the field," Rudolph's agent, Tim Younger, tweeted in the aftermath of Garrett's attack. "Being hit on your uncovered head by a helmet being swung by a 275 lb DE is not one of them." He added that the matter will be reviewed "thoroughly." Rudolph miraculously wasn't hurt in the incident, but Garrett will still be subject to a lengthy suspension and perhaps even assault charges. In using his helmet as a weapon, Garrett showed not only an egregious lapse in judgment but also little regard for another player's safety. Thursday's chaotic ending in Cleveland was an embarrassment for all involved.

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It definitely takes the luster away from a big win. But turning a corner kind of win? Mayfield looked pretty horrible (again) to me. If not for Pittsburgh being terrible on offense the Browns lose handily. With the melee at the end it probably means they turned a different corner. 

Rest of season and 8 games in 2019 for Garrett. 2 games for the punk that pushed Rudolph from behind. One for Pouncey. 

And Jaylen Samuels should be suspended for going out of bounds on that play. Wouldn't have stopped the melee but game would have been over. Now that I think about it maybe that was a good thing. Can you imagine the scene if everyone started crowding the field as the fight started?

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1 hour ago, irish eyes said:

Some in this thread have lost their damn minds. Blaming Rudolph and/or the Steelers for throwing at the end of the game. Keep defending the criminal garrett, good lord some people. No clue.

Absolutely no one is defending Garrett.  Coming at it from a slightly different angle doesn't equate to defending that pos Garrett.  Why do people keep jumping to that conclusion?

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I also think the league should announce that no one will be admitted to the Steeler /Brown game in two weeks wearing any browns merchandize or logos or carrying any signs in any manner supporting Miles Garret.  I would also suspend all licensed merchandize sales of Miles Garret jerseys.  I would triple security for that game.

I would also announce that anyone displaying any signs derogatory of Garret or inflaming the crowd against the Browns will be confiscated and the bearer will be escorted from the facility.  I would not let this matter conflate.  Period.

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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:

It definitely takes the luster away from a big win. But turning a corner kind of win? Mayfield looked pretty horrible (again) to me. If not for Pittsburgh being terrible on offense the Browns lose handily.

The disconnect between him and Beckham is unfortunately not getting better, but I thought he played fairly well last night. That may be the best defense in the league. The only reason the Steelers are 5-5 and not worse is because of them. So, game plan - don't let the defense beat you. They will stop you, but don't let them take the ball from you. If the play's not there then bail. Make the offense beat you. Because they can't.

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3 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

I also think the league should announce that no one will be admitted to the Steeler /Brown game in two weeks wearing any browns merchandize or logos or carrying any signs in any manner supporting Miles Garret.  I would also suspend all licensed merchandize sales of Miles garret jerseys.  I would triple security for that game.

Precautionary or paranoid, GB? 

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3 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

I also think the league should announce that no one will be admitted to the Steeler /Brown game in two weeks wearing any browns merchandize or logos or carrying any signs in any manner supporting Miles Garret.  I would also suspend all licensed merchandize sales of Miles garret jerseys.  I would triple security for that game.

Your last two posts are showing us you are trying to hard. Garrett did wrong. He is going to be punished severely. The season for the Browns is now tainted no matter what they do. You can move on. 

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2 minutes ago, Gustavo Fring said:

"that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.

Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started.  He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban. 

Actual quote? Link? If so, that should be taken into consideration with his suspension.

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1 minute ago, Beef Ravioli said:

Your last two posts are showing us you are trying to hard. Garrett did wrong. He is going to be punished severely. The season for the Browns is now tainted no matter what they do. You can move on. 

Perhaps.  Or perhaps the Commissioner should recognize that fans passions can run deep and can run away with them and can and should do all in his power to prevent this from growing or festering.  I imagine that in a crowd of 70,000, a crowd of impassioned fans, many of whom who will be drinking that things could go bad, that it is foreseeable, and that the league has obligations to do what it can to prevent the foreseeable.  I imagine the leagues lawyers would agree, if they were given a voice.  Others, good and reasonable folks such as yourself can reasonably disagree and you may well be right.  I hope you are right.

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7 minutes ago, Gustavo Fring said:

"that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.

Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started.  He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban. 

Let's assume you are correct in that he needs counseling, meaning there are legitimate issues regarding his mental stability... why a permanent ban, if he undergoes corrective action / treatment?  Now, if you feel he doesn't need an evaluation and is just a flat out bad person who can't control themselves, that could be a consideration.  But if there is an issue that needs correction, shouldn't that be the focus and to re-evaluate at that time (which, btw, is what I believe will occur.  Indefinite suspension, get counseling, show remorse, do community service - then come and show the NFL what you've done, and grovel to come back on your best behavior.

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17 minutes ago, -fish- said:

Prosecutor’s discretion.  They have to determine whether a crime was committed and whether they are willing to prosecute.  Part of that is politics.  What kind of backlash would they face if they charge him?  What if they don’t?

When Marty McSorley was charged with assault, it was two weeks after the game where the incident occurred.

I remember the McSorley-Brashear slashing, but didn't remember that it took that long for charges to come down.

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14 minutes ago, Gustavo Fring said:

"that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.

Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started.  He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban. 

Where's that quote from? That's too big a bomb to drop linklessly.

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44 minutes ago, Beef Ravioli said:

I don’t think any of the Steelers involved in the melee should be suspended. They were protecting their QB, as they should.

I do think the Steelers history of cheap shots on the Browns (James Harrison) and Tomlin’s smug attitude about the Browns through the years played a part of this. The “up and coming” Browns were ready to make a statement to a team that has literally dominated them for decades. I am certain the coaches of the Browns probably used this as a motivation. It certainly backfired!

So you think the actions Pouncy took were simply defending the QB and while Garrett was being held down by another Pitt OL were acceptable?  How is that reasonable?  Or even defensible?  How is it defending the QB when he was 15' away and charged back into the mele only to put himself at risk again from his initial instigation?  Just to ignore everything except the helmet swing?  

And you think the "historical animosity" between the teams was the driving factor while there was 8 seconds left in the game and it was all but over?  

I have to say I disagree that any Steelers are innocent in their actions.  They are all accountavle in their involvement but so many biased eyes don't see things clearly. 

I believe the frustrations of the night exploded from Pouncy due to Pitt OL's poor performance vs Garrett when he had his melt down. 

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18 minutes ago, Gustavo Fring said:

"that MAGA cracker tried to pull my helmet off first!!" - Myles Garrett in the locker room after the game.

Sounds like he was triggered before the game even started.  He needs a mental evaluation and special counseling, as well as, a permanent ban. 

I don't think this happened. Looks like it was a bad Twitter joke.

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19 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

The disconnect between him and Beckham is unfortunately not getting better, but I thought he played fairly well last night. That may be the best defense in the league. The only reason the Steelers are 5-5 and not worse is because of them. So, game plan - don't let the defense beat you. They will stop you, but don't let them take the ball from you. If the play's not there then bail. Make the offense beat you. Because they can't.

I thought Mayfield played pretty well last night. He was masterful at avoiding sacks and turnovers, against a defense that specializes in both. Mayfield scrambled his way out of 6-7 sacks last night, that would have gotten to many QB's.

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37 minutes ago, Pipes said:

I love how anyone placing a small fraction of the blame on Rudolph is assumed to be defending Garrett.

All the blame to Garrett here.

31 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Perhaps.  Or perhaps the Commissioner should recognize that fans passions can run deep and can run away with them and can and should do all in his power to prevent this from growing or festering.  I imagine that in a crowd of 70,000, a crowd of impassioned fans, many of whom who will be drinking that things could go bad, that it is foreseeable, and that the league has obligations to do what it can to prevent the foreseeable.  I imagine the leagues lawyers would agree, if they were given a voice.  Others, good and reasonable folks such as yourself can reasonably disagree and you may well be right.  I hope you are right.

It seems really unlikely that the league would ban a visiting team's fans from supporting their team. Even if the teams weren't just 2 hours away

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3 minutes ago, mbuehner said:

There isnt going to be a prosecution, who's interest would that serve? NFL wants to adjudicate this and make it go away as quickly as possible. If somebody was hurt, sure, but the last the NFL wants is law enforcement to become part of the game.

Naive answer - it's not up to the NFL

In reality they will influence the prosecutor.

I'd bet on a civil suit well before criminal charges

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28 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

So you think the actions Pouncy took were simply defending the QB and while Garrett was being held down by another Pitt OL were acceptable?  How is that reasonable?  Or even defensible?  How is it defending the QB when he was 15' away and charged back into the mele only to put himself at risk again from his initial instigation?  Just to ignore everything except the helmet swing?  

And you think the "historical animosity" between the teams was the driving factor while there was 8 seconds left in the game and it was all but over?  

I have to say I disagree that any Steelers are innocent in their actions.  They are all accountavle in their involvement but so many biased eyes don't see things clearly. 

I believe the frustrations of the night exploded from Pouncy due to Pitt OL's poor performance vs Garrett when he had his melt down. 

I give the offensive lineman a pass because they saw their QB helmet get ripped off. They are pushing Garrett away at that point. If Rudolph would have not charged Garrett at that point, I don’t think the lineman would have thrown Garrett to the ground and kicked him. When he did and Garrett slammed him with the helmet, yeah I think they had every right to go after Garrett. By the way punching and kicking him in the helmet did nothing. If they are suspended, i am fine with it. It won’t bother me if they are not suspended. 
 

As far as the history between the teams and eight seconds left. Did you watch the game? The whole game was chippy. The Browns came in with an edge (history played a part) and yeah it grew up to that point and obviously boiled over at the end. 

If I were biased, it would be towards the Browns. I am life long fan of the Browns. I can’t stand the Steelers. I just saw it as it is...the lions share of the blame falls on Garrett and the Browns. 

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1 hour ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Hey GB, I agree with you. My point was there are fights similar in camps and occasionally practice. If Garrett had just ripped the helmet off and not hit him, this would be not quite the same. I don't blame Rudolph one bit for wanting to go after Garrett and ask him what his F-Bomb problem is...just an unfortunate series of events that took away from Cleveland possibly righting the ship. 

I have bad feelings for the Pouncey Bros because Mike played for Miami many years and I was never a fan although he was a good Center or good at his job. I understand why Pouncey wanted to take Garrett out, I really do. But the series of punches and then DeCastro has him pinned on the ground, no reason to kick him in the head and more punching and I'm just sayng he should be suspended almost as many games. DeCastro never threw a punch and other Pitt OL guys were trying to cool the situation down. 

And that #65-Total Cheap Shot, Bush League, I might hate the cowardly push to the ground from behind on a defenseless QB who just had his helmet ripped off....they can't do enough to him IMO. Rudolph ran at Garrett and saw that he was going to strike him with the helmet, he never saw the guy coming up behind him. 

BTW...was that Clete ref'n this game? Hmmmmm, felt he coulda put himself a little more in the middle and if he(The Ref) got hit, that would hav been the end of the players' careers and I felt he kept staying away and finally another referee ran in from the side. I needed to see a Van Gundy(B-Ball) wrap around the leg of one of these players by Clete, that's what needed to happen at some point.  

To be honest I completely missed #65 going after Rudolph from behind.   You are absolutely correct that was complete BS

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2 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

Naive answer - it's not up to the NFL

In reality they will influence the prosecutor.

I'd bet on a civil suit well before criminal charges

Exactly, in theory youre right. In practice, prosecutor isnt going to go forward without cooperation and in the face of NFL pressure to knock it off. And Garrett isnt going to sue, again NFL and Steelers wont let that happen, its a distraction.

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1 hour ago, Beef Ravioli said:

Lifetime Browns fan here (49 years old) that has always despised the Steelers.
 

I believe Garret should be suspended indefinitely with the intent to see how he responds with off season treatment/classes Etc. He knows he screwed up and I appreciate he didn’t try to excuse it (at least I haven’t heard that he has). I hope they do not appeal the decision unless the league is talking lifetime banishment which I think would be an over reaction.

I don’t think any of the Steelers involved in the melee should be suspended. They were protecting their QB, as they should.

I do think the Steelers history of cheap shots on the Browns (James Harrison) and Tomlin’s smug attitude about the Browns through the years played a part of this. The “up and coming” Browns were ready to make a statement to a team that has literally dominated them for decades. I am certain the coaches of the Browns probably used this as a motivation. It certainly backfired!

I had high hopes for Freddy Kitchens but I think he has created a monster with this team that he personally will never be able to gain control of. His opening press conference of “if you ain’t orange and Brown you don’t matter” and “we are going to be the toughest team” has been a detriment to this team. 
 

I also would test Garret for steroids....”ROID RAGE!”

It is unfortunate for a Browns fan, because, although it was not a great game by the Browns, they had defeated their arch rival soundly. They had made their “statement” and no one will hear it because of Garrett! Interesting to see how they fare after this. 

I agree with you but the Steelers-Browns have a long history of cheap shots on one another going back to 1960s.

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45 minutes ago, travdogg said:

I thought Mayfield played pretty well last night. He was masterful at avoiding sacks and turnovers, against a defense that specializes in both. Mayfield scrambled his way out of 6-7 sacks last night, that would have gotten to many QB's.

But refused to throw the ball downfield in the process. I agree he didn't make any bad mistakes, or at least not more than maybe a couple, but he didn't really make any plays either. After the 1st couple drives that is. He did avoid those sacks, but they only got close because he refused to throw it. I thought he looked incredibly gunshy.

I would agree that he showed improvement, though, but they would have lost most games against most teams the way he played last night. To play devil's advocate, I know he didn't need to make many plays and that could have been conscious. Pittsburgh was toast last night and they knew it. 

ETA I'll keep this out of the Garrett suspension thread, got mixed up.

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