I prefer what I see on the field vs a score because there's always an outlier. He could very well end up as the fourth best of the group but I would be ok with that considering how good they are.
You’re good making a 1.01 bet on an outlier? I just don’t consider this much to talk aboutI prefer what I see on the field vs a score because there's always an outlier. He could very well end up as the fourth best of the group but I would be ok with that considering how good they are.
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Forest for the trees. At least get it rightYou CEH truthers can't see the forest through the trees.
Yeah, exactly, thanks for linking to my point. Forest through the trees is a common way to mis-state the actual phrase. Much like “I could care less” (it’s couldn’t care less)lulz. Uhhhh, no. Forest for the trees? You had too many mimosa's this morning.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/can-t-see-the-forest-for-the-trees#:~:text=can't see the forest for the trees,the bill could never pass.”
According to The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms, “for” goes back to 1546, bro
I have no idea what you’re talking about.I-ROK said:You’re good making a 1.01 bet on an outlier? I just don’t consider this much to talk about
I don’t put a ton of stock into these sorts of things. All I know is he was the 1st RB taken on the best team in the league
Pfffftttt...what has that guy ever accomplished?I actually find it laughable people think they unlocked some kind of cheat code, that a guy like Brett Veach would be so dunce and non-analytical that he'd be taking an "outlier" RB in round one and if he'd only used some living room GM's scores.....
Chiefs signed all six of their rookies to four-year contracts, including first-round RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire.
The No. 32 overall pick joins the most explosive offense in the NFL. Edwards-Helaire drew comparisons to Brian Westbrook by head coach Andy Reid (not bad) and apparently was the name Patrick Mahomes immediately suggested when questioned by GM Brett Veach prior to the first-round. Edwards-Helaire is fresh off a spectacular season, recording the most receptions by an SEC running back in over 10 years. Only Damien Williams stands in his way to reaching top 12 RB status.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jul 20, 2020, 10:21 PM ET
Draft capital matters the most in these things, but we can’t just ignore those measurable either.Put me down as saying I do not care one iota about speed score, athletic score, or any of that kind of stuff. I actually find it laughable people think they unlocked some kind of cheat code, that a guy like Brett Veach would be so dunce and non-analytical that he'd be taking an "outlier" RB in round one and if he'd only used some living room GM's scores.....
And please don't confuse what I'm saying as athletic testing does not matter. It does, but needs to be looking at more then just a basic "score". It's more of a process of marrying what you see on video with the athletic testing scores.
It's not contradictory because I refuse to put much stock in a speed score which is not nuanced enough for me, omits items I view as key factors and IMO puts to much emphasis on others..
However, the two bolded areas are contradictory... if you don’t care one iota then you are saying they don’t matter. If it does matter and needs to be looked at as part of a process, then you care more than one iota.
I'd stick with what you're doing. Singletary is almost a legendary outlier by accomplishment already. Rare air for him given his measureables.Last year this bit me as I also put Devin Singletary in the outlier status.
I still do it but the one you spend so much time and energy hating on never fit my outlier box, as I tried to explain.I'd stick with what you're doing.
I don't spend a ton of energy on it. Maybe once a month now if you look closely. And notice I didn't bring him up.I still do it but the one you spend so much time and energy hating on never fit my outlier box, as I tried to explain.
I've not been posting or checking in much in little over last month, missed that and it's all good, just hoping we get a chance soon to see them on the field.I don't spend a ton of energy on it. Maybe once a month now if you look closely. And notice I didn't bring him up.
I’m not sure about that. Who would start over him?CEH will get starts sooner now but still won't start the first few weeks I would guess.
I mean are we talking DeAndre Washington? Dare I say Darrell Williams?I’m not sure about that. Who would start over him?
Darwin Thompson or Darrel Williams are the options, though I thought maybe Williams was no longer with them. Either way, it's not much competition. It might take a game or two, tops. As someone who rosters Mahomes, blocking just got wayyyyyy more unsure. Bad for that.I’m not sure about that. Who would start over him?
Damian Williams opted out not Darrell. I just need to know who to draft between Darrell and Deandre Washington with my late pick tonightUntil 2021
You know how coaches are, though.Let’s not overthink this. The Chiefs spent a first round pick on CEH and his only real competition is now eliminated. DeAndre Washington is not starting for the Chiefs.
Washington is the more established back in the NFL but who knows? Fantasy seasons are up for grabs, that's for sure.Damian Williams opted out not Darrell. I just need to know who to draft between Darrell and Deandre Washington with my late pick tonight
But this is his first season as a Chief which gives him zero advantage over CEH.Washington is the more established back in the NFL but who knows? Fantasy seasons are up for grabs, that's for sure.
Their contract doesn’t accrue a year I don’t believe. I could be wrongDamian Williams opted out not Darrell. I just need to know who to draft between Darrell and Deandre Washington with my late pick tonight
Unfortunately, along with Westbrook came Duce Staley and Correll BuckhalterWelcome to the first round in FF drafts, Clyde!!
Andy will make him Brian Westbrook 2.0.
What defines best player? I've been doing this for quite some time and watched guys sit because of pass protection too many times.Playing the best players?
That's what I meant by who knows. Instead of typing out every thought I have, I generalized. But then why are we expecting guys like Devonta Freeman to step into Tampa and pass pro immediately, too? We tend to want it two ways in FF. "He doesn't know the offense" when it suits us vs. "he's a professional" when it does.But this is his first season as a Chief which gives him zero advantage over CEH.
Ok - some people dig in their heals on their original player evaluations and can’t see the forest through the trees.What defines best player? I've been doing this for quite some time and watched guys sit because of pass protection too many times.
That's what I meant by who knows. Instead of typing out every thought I have, I generalized. But then why are we expecting guys like Devonta Freeman to step into Tampa and pass pro immediately, too? We tend to want it two ways in FF. "He doesn't know the offense" when it suits us vs. "he's a professional" when it does.
Can't really have it both ways at once, I guess. I think Washington could step in from Gruden's offense and play in KC. Most likely that's what happens. Unless Reid sticks with his guys WIlliams. Really, you can't know.
So "who knows?" is about the best answer.
Oh yeah, that's not me. What's done is done. Just think how the NFL moves now.Ok - some people dig in their heals on their original player evaluations and can’t see the forest through the trees.
I don’t think anyone takes him 1.01 in redraft - In dynasty? That discussion was already beat to death.Oh yeah, that's not me. What's done is done. Just think how the NFL moves now.
And I just don't think CEH is 1.01 in a draft. He was a first-rounder or early second to me.
I meant in dynasty. I thought you were saying I might be digging my heels in because of my original assessment, which was less sanguine than other assessments of CEH.I don’t think anyone takes him 1.01 in redraft - In dynasty? That discussion was already beat to death.
And I don’t think much has changed in that conversation. Profiles haven’t changed at allI don’t think anyone takes him 1.01 in redraft - In dynasty? That discussion was already beat to death.