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RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (1 Viewer)
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
I was agonizing over CEH and JT in a dynasty rookie draft....I have Mahomes so really wanted to diversify...but with this news hes the clear #1 rookie IMO
Can't believe I am saying this as a Chiefs fan about a player of ours but JT is the superior talent in a great situation
In 0.5 PPR or standard he is still my 1.01
It is just so much easier to find successful players of JT's archetype than it is to find RB hits who are slow and small but build their game around pass catching and elusiveness
Both will be great (I need them to--I sold a ton of assets to move up and draft both CEH/JT)Â but JT is safer with a comparable ceiling
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Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
If you’re playing for 2020 then yes CEH is likely the 1.01, however the profiles still put JT on top and CEH as a landmine
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
Succinct response
I am certainly hoping the CEH is better due to having him on my real life and fantasy teams, but it isn't hard to look at their college careers and come to the conclusion that Taylor is a superior talent in a pretty great situation (though not as great as KC), or that very few RBs who are both small AND slow (you can be one or the other--but both is rough) have turned into RB1s (Brian Westbrook being the only one I can think of immediately)
I do think CEH will with Andy+Mahomes, but I certainly consider an athletic monster with a sparkling production profile behind a great line with a really good organization/coaching staff to be the safer pick--even if neither is "wrong" or "bad"
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I've got Edwards-Helaire at a BMI of 31.8. I guess you could call him small based on his height, but the guy is built and explosive.Â
Which is why I am not discounting him and in fact have him in a clear top tier with Taylor (well ahead of Dobbins and Swift), but height is a factor too--as is his production through college
I can understand not beating out a high recruit and top prospect like Guice when CEH was a sophomore but not beating Nick Brossette in 2018 is a bit of a head scratcher
He did land in the perfect system though and is clearly very talented so I am hopeful--just more saying that he has more holes as a prospect than Taylor does
They could just stay put with Washington, Thompson, and the other Williams.Â
Side note, has a team ever had their QB/RB/WR/TE all go in the first 20 picks of a fantasy draft? Because that seems very possible, if not even probable.
ETA: The only one that is coming to mind for me is maybe Manning/Addai/Wayne/Clark, but I'm not sure if Addai/Clark overlapped as top-20 picks, or if Clark really ever was.
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Maybe Denver 2014?
Manning after his MVP year, Montee Ball hype with Knowshon Moreno gone, Demaryius Thomas, maybe Julius Thomas
Probably more like top 30 than top 20 though
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Updated Mike Clay projections for KC RBs.
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About 240 points in ppr. I'd easily take the over if they were going to play a full season, but they're not.
Deamon
Footballguy
Yes, but not Superflex as it relates to Mahomes.
And really it's not that much of a bump from where I had him before DWILL checked out.
I got a friend of mine who was in a startup several weeks ago, FFPC, and he took CEH at 4. I was looking at his draft board and came to realization I probably would have done the same thing. I just think Elliot has had way to much wear and tear. Elliot, Kamara and Dalvin are all 25 and are on or will soon be on their dreaded RB second contracts. These are elite players and it's fair to say CEH has proven nothing but I'll take the shot because in RB life spans the 4 year age gap he has those other players is almost a career. I would not want to walk out of a dynasty start up drafting using a top 5 pick on a 25 year old RB, I would feel better about a 21 year old whose best trait is probably what he offers as a receiver paired with that coach and QB. We talk about risk and some would say it's risky taking an unproven player that high but I think it's a greater risk taking a RB 4 years older. That's my philosophy but understandably not for everyone.
So I was in this range before DWILL, who I did absolutely think was in the way this year of CEH hitting his upside so it's certainly an easier call now.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I-ROK
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
Sounds like he is still a hater to me.
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2020-repercussions-damien-williams-opt-out
Chad Parsons
One of my firm takes regarding opt-outs, August injuries, or say a COVID-19 designation for a player soon is that the reaction for the remaining depth chart will in general be an overreaction. This is especially true with running backs. In these cases, teams will have time to pivot and address the situation, which is far different than the typical fall-out once the season is rolling along. Devonta Freeman and Lamar Miller are fully functional veteran running backs seeking employment. They are circling depth charts like the proverbial vultures for an opportunity as a 1A or 1B back. I have concerns about the profile of Clyde Edwards-Helaire and more early opportunities would not change those as they are player-centric, not situation-centric. Also, I would add DeAndre Washington is an underrated NFL talent and Darrel Williams has some Alfred Blue to his game where I can see him sticking around the NFL for far longer than nearly all would project from this point forward. I was already out on Edwards-Helaire's price and this shift would certainly keep him on that side of the 2020 fence.
I-ROK
Footballguy
He makes a good point; if you didn’t like the profile of CEH and were moving him down your boards due to that, his situation improving shouldn’t affect your outlook of him.Â
Williams wasn’t a major obstacle, let’s be honest. Many people felt he would be a factor just enough to make it annoying. Him opting out doesn’t change much.Â
I have similar reservations about the profile, but both sides have been debated enough at this point.Â
I think CEH will be a good fantasy back, but there are two with a higher ceiling in my opinion. This is a good RB class.Â
2? I get Taylor but no way can I take Dobbins or Swift over a 1st round pick in Kansas City
I-ROK
Footballguy
I like Dobbins a lot. I actually think he could be the best fantasy back out of this class. I wouldn’t take him over CEH, but I’d trade down if I could so I could have Dobbins
Watching someone with multiple accounts flip flop between them commenting and liking their own posts is the saddest thing I've seen this month. I'd extend it to this year but, we're living in 2020.
Anyway, CHE >>> Taylor and its not really close to me. Different type athlete but if you're looking for the next Kamara in terms of production, its Helaire. Maybe better.
Anyway, CHE >>> Taylor and its not really close to me. Different type athlete but if you're looking for the next Kamara in terms of production, its Helaire. Maybe better.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
That's a huge dropoff in the rushing numbers compared to last year, when they didn't exactly have a formidable running back.
It would be pretty shocking if the Chiefs only rushed for 1200 yards as a team this year. They've never rushed for less than 1500 under Reid and are typically slightly under the 2000 mark.
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
I figured it was because they see CEH as a bigger receiving threat than rushing threat.Â
One thing is for sure, if he doesn’t produce he has no excuse. A pretty safe bet to get volume. I don’t see a super star, but I don’t see a bust.Â
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
In 6 starts
I’m not sure how CEH’s talent transitions to the NFL. I’ve seen great rushers bust and “meh” guys surprise. On paper and in college it’s not even a discussion of who is better. I would expect CEH to do much better his rookie year than Williams ever has, but again I’m not sure I see a super star that so many others do.Â
rockaction
Footballguy
Stay classy, Vandelay.
rockaction
Footballguy
The whole point of this forum is to wade through different opinions and consensus. Putting laughing emojis next to reasonable opinions does everyone a disservice and makes you look bad. But that's par for the course, I guess.
Oh, cool. I thought it was to make multiple accounts and like ones own posts to bolster ones own arguments. I guess I stand corrected. Â
(LOL no, not really)
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Deamon
Footballguy
I've never done a start up dynasty draft so I guess I don't really know. I'm a wait-on-qb guy, but the thought of having Mahomes locked in as my fantasy QB for the next 15 years just seems super appealing.
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
I’m not sure what he’s talking about but I apparently said something funny. It seems people have gotten quite touchy on their takes and opinions. Seems to go in line with how things are these days with millennials...Â
