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RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (1 Viewer)

King of the Jungle said:
Game of matchups. You can’t cover 5 skilled people well. CEH has an easy path to success...along with enough skill to find that success. How fun is this?
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Very. 

I like that Williams is out there spelling him. Keep him as fresh as possible please. 

But my goodness! The difference in look when they each run the ball couldn't be more stark. CEH is so smooth. 

 
Faust said:
NFL Betting: Prop bets for Week 1 of the 2020 NFL season

Excerpt:

Ben Rolfe: 1u – Clyde Edwards-Helaire over 49.5 rushing yards @ -110 (DraftKings)

The Chiefs run game has a lot of question marks surrounding it following the opt-out of Damien Williams. The current Chiefs depth chart has Edwards-Helaire listed as the top back, which should be promising for his chances of hitting the over on this line.

In 2019, the Chiefs had more than 80 rushing yards in 15 of their 19 games. Projecting which back would do the damage was tough last season, but with Williams and LeSean McCoy sharing touches, the situation in Kansas City was a lot more difficult to call.

In this matchup, they go up against a Texans team that ranked 25 and 27 in the league in rushing yards and yards per carry, respectively. At 121.1 rushing yards per game, they allowed the eighth-most yards per game on the ground in the league. With the departure of D.J. Reader, that defense may just have gotten worse as well.
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Anyone bet the over on this prop bet? I am guessing the o/u for Clyde Edwards-Helaire’s rushing yards will be higher next week!

 
Galileo said:
Nice debut, decent stat line, and he has looked good overall, but he has not impressed at the goal line which gives me some cause for concern.  
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Agreed.  Lack of top end speed was known and will keep him from being a top 3 RB this year.  Lack of power may keep him from being top 5.  If he can get worked into the passing game more, and I have no doubt he will, that would solidify him in the top 10. I think we have seen everything we expected tonight (moves and quickness), most of what we hoped (#1 usage), and quite a bit of what we feared (power, top end speed).  

 
Stuffed a bunch of times on the goal line tonight, but his talent is very obvious.  (as it was last year).

Still ok with my decision to take Henry over him, but not THAT ok.

 
Most dominate yawner ever.  Good chance he doesn't finish as a RB1 this week.  DJ already in front of him by .1 points.

 
Clyde Edwards-Helaire rushed 25 times for 138 yards and one touchdown in the Chiefs' Week 1 win over the Texans on Thursday night.

CEH out-carried Darrel Williams 25-7, but it was evident Williams was the preferred back on third downs. Edwards-Helaire was targeted just two times in the passing game, failing to catch either ball. It's a concern for his fantasy upside, but if the Chiefs keep punishing teams and blowing them out, CEH is going to get massive workloads. His night could have been so much better, too, but the rookie was stuffed at least five times from the one-yard line and countless other times inside the five-yard line. Fantasy managers are still very happy with the end result, but missing those short touchdown opportunities hurt to watch. His touchdown scamper was a 27-yarder paved by LG Kelechi Osemele. After Week 1, it's very clear CEH is the No. 1 back with Williams merely a third-down pass-blocking specialist. CEH is an elite RB1 moving forward and gets the Chargers in Week 2.

- Rotoworld
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I'm a big fan, but the power displayed tonight was disappointing other than one run.

Forget the goaline, he should have scored on that 2nd and goal run from like the 8 on the last drive before they ever got down to the goaline. He was running with a full head of steam and got hit from the side at about the two yard line. Easy TD there, rbs often fall into the end zone with like 3/4ths of their body there but he somehow splattered straight down short of the stripe. 

Lateral agility was on point, and he'll probably get a lot more of the passing game going forward. But I loved the way he shrugged off defenders in college and didn't see much of that tonight. 

 
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Meh this was almost a floor game in some ways based on goal line stoppages, lack of receiving work, etc and still got 20 points.

Can't be disappointed with this

 
I don't know what game these nay-sayers were watching.  Every goal line carry was straight up the middle with no o-line push.  He broke tons of arm tackles.  He ran away from a defender on his td. 

The only two negatives were lack of targets which were game plan dependent and Williams subbing in on 3rd downs and as the game went on that stopped.

Sure he doesn't have top end power or top end speed, but the kid is here.

 
If there are any of you lucky enough to be able to buy low off of tonight due to his lack of involvement in the passing game, do so without hesitation. 

 
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SoBeDad said:
I wonder if Swift or Taylor would've been a better pick for KC. CEH looked great on a few carries, but in that offense Swift would've also had a good first game. 
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CEH showed excellent vision & made decisive cuts. His lateral movement to find a hole & burst when he found it was impressive. 

I get the feeling he’ll slowly become more of the focal point.  He has Westbrook 2.0 written all over him. Reid has to start throwing him the ball, but man this kid looks good. 

 
SoBeDad said:
I wonder if Swift or Taylor would've been a better pick for KC. CEH looked great on a few carries, but in that offense Swift would've also had a good first game. 
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Or Dobbins.  It was a pretty talented rookie RB group at the top.

Since we're playing the "What if?" game, makes me wonder how Taylor would do in that type of offense. KC hasn't had a big, fast back like that. Hunt was fast but not a bruiser.

Still, they must have seen exactly what they got from CEH tonight.  They might want to take a bit better care of him though. Mahomes nearly got him killed on a swing pass on one play, and running straight up the gut at a line that was stacked and beating your blocks made no sense unless they just wanted to test if their O-Line could bully their way in from the 1.

They couldn't.  I think on one of those runs if CEH had stopped and gone outside he would have walked in. Kamara does that a lot. I suspect he'll learn.  I was impressed by his ability to grind out the tough yards when they were in "put the game away" mode.  He's gritty.

 
10 carries for 96 yards when 6 or less were in the box.

15 carries for 42 yards the rest of the time.

I'm pretty sure many backs in this rookie class could be successful when running against 6 in the box.

 
BINGBING said:
25 carries is a floor now.  Okay.
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25 touches doesn't really seem out there to me. Floor is probably more like 16-18 carries and 2-3 catches with a ceiling of 27-28 carries and 6 or so catches. 25 is more a middle range outcome

I don't imagine he will be stopped at the goal line six times in a row ever again though

 
KChusker said:
25 touches doesn't really seem out there to me. Floor is probably more like 16-18 carries and 2-3 catches with a ceiling of 27-28 carries and 6 or so catches. 25 is more a middle range outcome

I don't imagine he will be stopped at the goal line six times in a row ever again though
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So his floor this season is 400 touches.  LOL okay.

 
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BINGBING said:
So his floor this season is 400 touches.  LOL okay.
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Well those numbers indicated 288 (16 carries plus 2 catches)*16 or

And I imagine he will be sitting week 17 and possibly sitting early in some topsides blowouts so yeah about 265ish touches seems reasonable as a low end estimate

Don't know what kind of crazy math you did to get 400

 
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KChusker said:
Well those numbers indicated 288 (16 carries plus 2 catches)*16 or

And I imagine he will be sitting week 17 and possibly sitting early in some topsides blowouts so yeah about 265ish touches seems reasonable as a low end estimate

Don't know what kind of crazy math you did to get 400
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Math is crazy to you isn’t it?

 
voiceofunreason said:
Math is crazy to you isn’t it?
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I don't get it: I said a number of carries and touches that--when multiplied by 16--makes 288 touches. Scratching a game for week 17 and some touches for blowouts a floor of 265

I guess my word on calling 25 a "middle range" was probably confusing. I meant it is within the range (or interquartile range to be more accurate since I apparently am a dumb hick who can't do math) of outcomes--not a median or mean.

But regardless he said I claimed 400 touches to be a floor when I did no such thing

Really don't know why you felt the need to insult though

 
One said:
Looks great and shifty.  Can make you miss.

Has zero power though.  I was hoping he was more like Kareem Hunt in that way. 
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I saw him break and a few tackles and pull defenders for a few more yards. On the GL runs, he did get stuffed but not many backs are going to shake off a DL that squares him up. I’m not sure we can draw conclusions on a small sample size.

 
wgoldsph said:
I don't know what game these nay-sayers were watching.  Every goal line carry was straight up the middle with no o-line push.  He broke tons of arm tackles.  He ran away from a defender on his td. 

The only two negatives were lack of targets which were game plan dependent and Williams subbing in on 3rd downs and as the game went on that stopped.

Sure he doesn't have top end power or top end speed, but the kid is here.
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He’ll get third down work eventually when they start trusting him more - Williams looked very pedestrian in that role.

 
BobbyLayne said:
zero power
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I wanted him to lunge that one in so bad.

This guy is gonna be fun to watch all year.

People that don’t own him can all talk about how he should have had 2 more tds last night if he could have muscled his way through JJ Watt or up the gut.

People that do own him can be happy that Reid kept giving him the ball at the sticks and know there’s more opportunity to come. 

 
VikingFrog said:
I wanted him to lunge that one in so bad.

This guy is gonna be fun to watch all year.

People that don’t own him can all talk about how he should have had 2 more tds last night if he could have muscled his way through JJ Watt or up the gut.

People that do own him can be happy that Reid kept giving him the ball at the sticks and know there’s more opportunity to come. 
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From the above game angle shot last night I was thinking he would have scored if Fisher would have kept his big mitts off him. Don't own him but that was a dynamic performance. Talented fresh legs, great line, the offense is so good he's gonna be seeing 6-7 men in the box all year, and a HC with a history of high usage backs. Perfect storm.

 
KChusker said:
I don't get it: I said a number of carries and touches that--when multiplied by 16--makes 288 touches. Scratching a game for week 17 and some touches for blowouts a floor of 265

I guess my word on calling 25 a "middle range" was probably confusing. I meant it is within the range (or interquartile range to be more accurate since I apparently am a dumb hick who can't do math) of outcomes--not a median or mean.

But regardless he said I claimed 400 touches to be a floor when I did no such thing

Really don't know why you felt the need to insult though
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I thought the wording used was that it’s a floor...

 
KChusker said:
25 touches doesn't really seem out there to me. Floor is probably more like 16-18 carries and 2-3 catches with a ceiling of 27-28 carries and 6 or so catches. 25 is more a middle range outcome

I don't imagine he will be stopped at the goal line six times in a row ever again though
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And if it plays out even close to this I will be selling by mid season. Rookie RBs tend to wear down over a normal season. If they are driving him into the ground like you suggest I worry about him making week 10. 

 
KChusker said:
I don't get it: I said a number of carries and touches that--when multiplied by 16--makes 288 touches. Scratching a game for week 17 and some touches for blowouts a floor of 265

I guess my word on calling 25 a "middle range" was probably confusing. I meant it is within the range (or interquartile range to be more accurate since I apparently am a dumb hick who can't do math) of outcomes--not a median or mean.

But regardless he said I claimed 400 touches to be a floor when I did no such thing

Really don't know why you felt the need to insult though
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You said that this game "was almost a floor game in some ways..." I get what you were trying to say due to being stuffed at the GL numerous times and no involvement in the passing game.

But 25 touches 138 yards and a TD are 25 touches 138 yards and a TD.  Over the course of a season that would be 400 touches, a rookie record for yards from scrimmage, and 16 TDs.  That's not his FLOOR no matter how you look at it.

Bottom line is this kid has a lot of talent and has a prime opportunity in the best offense in football.  Game scripts won't always play out for him to get those touches or total yards but he will obviosuly also have games where he gets receptions and likely multiple TDs.

Anyone who has him has to feel great about putting him in the lineup every week.  Day 1 stud.

 
I drafted him with the 1.1 in a Zealots PPR league. Week 1 was a terrific ROI for a rookie back and you have to be pleased with it.

I would also trade him in a heartbeat for a decent return.

Houston's defense has now proven in back to back games that they're among the league's worst. And CEH is a talented back but to my eyes looks nothing like Ray Rice or MJD out there.

 
hispeedthinmint said:
WHat would that decent return before you in dynasty PPR? I own him as well & would move him for a great lineup improvement, but not sure what that is without selling short. Before yesterday's game, I turned down an offer of David Johnson & Godwin. Not a DJ guy & rather get Miles Sanders off him. Now the Godwin owner has moved to try to get Conner off me for Allen & Z. Moss which I also declined
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Shooting from the hip - If I could get Godwin+ I'd take it. I'd also take a 2021 1st plus a decent/good player. 

 
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Running that little guy up the middle was not working. He got blasted repeatedly. I suppose once he gets experience, he will be able to find the hole instead of just running into the back of his blockers. He could have had 3 TDs had they run plays to his strength which is making people miss.

 
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