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WR Laviska Shenault Jr. - SEA (1 Viewer)
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Traded Chark, picked this guy up.
I think the window to get this kid closes after he feasts on the Lion D. He’s really starting to take off and should score once in a while. With his big, physical body, he makes for a good RZ target
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree. Window will be slammed shut after he decimates my Lion’s Sunday. Buy now if you are a believer. Only concern I have is his body holding up due to his physical play.
Futeki
Footballguy
I haven't seen him play much this year, but I distinctly remember him ducking out of bounds when he could have gotten a couple more (contested) yards. It was encouraging. Has he been doing this regularly, being selective about the physicality?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hoping to see more of him featured again this week. He's been flying under the radar all year it seems.
Last 2 weeks 14 and 14, let's see what he does today.
Last 2 weeks 14 and 14, let's see what he does today.
dipandglide
Footballguy
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Doh!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Just some thoughts
-Rookie WR, one of the reasons you don't load up on them, very streaky and many dips. You won't know where his breakout game will come from but defenses will take notice of Chark's 14 targets and bracket that way, should open things up for Laviska.
-Rookie WR, one of the reasons you don't load up on them, very streaky and many dips. You won't know where his breakout game will come from but defenses will take notice of Chark's 14 targets and bracket that way, should open things up for Laviska.
The Frankman
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finfansteve
Footballguy
I have a sneaking suspicion that Shenault will be much sought after next year at this time after a year with Lawrence
The Frankman
Footballguy
JamboTaylor
Footballguy
So, worth a very late 2021 1st?
MAC_32
Footballguy
You're not getting him from me for a late 1. I bought him with a 2 with intentions on unleashing him in '22. I'll never say no to an offer before getting one, but it's gonna be a lot more than that.
I’m a happy owner but could probably think of 9 or 10 2021 guys I’d move him for. So this seems right.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
So who's worth more in dynasty? Chark or Shenault? Chark because we've seen the upside more, due to him being in the league a little longer?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
On a per game basis Chark has been #20 and #43 the last 2 seasons. Do you think he has much more upside than he displayed in 2019?
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
Everyone has stars in their eyes right now looking towards next years draft. I almost drafted this guy 14th overall this year but I had to go with the higher rated Reagor. Luckily I still landed him 20th overall. Anyways, I'm not selling for a late 1st. I'd buy for that price though.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Big question on how he might fare in an Urban Meyer spread O that values speed. Shenault makes his money as a big body around the LOS or across the middleIHEARTFF said:
kutta
Footballguy
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Shipley's a great beat writer by the way and he actually changed my mind on Laviska. I viewed him as more of a gadget and with adding ETN it just made me leery of him but he's very vocal about disabusing this idea. Here are a few tweets on the subject:
@_John_Shipley
Laviska Shenault is a wide receiver. He won't be a gadget so I don't see how Etienne's role applies to him. Understand this, fantasy/NFL Twitter.
I'll say it until I'm blue in the face: Travis Etienne has nothing to do with Laviska Shenault. Laviska Shenault has nothing to do with Travis Etienne.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I’d draft Chark and Robinson at their current ADP
less confident about where Etienne, MJJ & Shenault will end up
less confident about where Etienne, MJJ & Shenault will end up
I00% agree on Chark.
If Shenault does have a big leap this year, then I kinda think Jones might be worthless. Not sure he's really all that good anyway, he seemed to have a great rapport with Stafford, but he feels like the easy #3 WR in an offense that isn't a lock to even support 2.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Chark is a FA at season's end. Urban has publicly said some not so flattering things about him. On the first day of free agency the Jags signed Marvin to a 2 year contract that commits a meaningful amount of $ year 2 - $5.2m. The #1 TE on the depth chart is Chris Manhertz.
At current rates if I do not get Viska then I have zero interest in Chark, but some interest in Marvin. I have a lot of concerns about this offense (and team as a whole), but volume trumps all and I think Marvin's above Chark in the pecking order heading into summer vacation.
At current rates if I do not get Viska then I have zero interest in Chark, but some interest in Marvin. I have a lot of concerns about this offense (and team as a whole), but volume trumps all and I think Marvin's above Chark in the pecking order heading into summer vacation.
I'd take Shenault over Chark straight up and with his lower ADP obviously a much bigger value play.
Regardless of the current hype I thought Laviska outplayed him last year and considering he was a rookie in a COVID year and Chark was a third year vet it matters even more. And in dynasty you add to fact that I don't have high degree of confidence that Chark will be on the team past this year, for better or worse.
As for Robinson vs ETN I don't know. I like Robinson a lot and he's a real talent but he's not going to break off chunk runs or likely catch a lot of balls and that makes him hard to trust. ETN obviously cost a lot more but if this is a true RBBC, and I do think it is, he can excel with more limited touches due to bigger play potential and more receptions. So ETN is more expensive, but I think worth it. Is it possible that this works out like a Fred Jackson(Robinson)/Spiller(ETN) situation were Spiller can't ever quite live up to the hype and Fred just keeps him out peforming him every year? Yes, that's not to difficult to see but based on what I know right now I'd rather have ETN even at his higher cost.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
This is a situation which has yet to define itself. 2nd/4th/5th pass catchers from 2020 departed, added 31 y.o. MJJ, upgrade in QB play over the below-replacement-level-triumvirate of last year, none of the big WRs have seen heavy usage in the slot, and a jitterbug RB whom the loon running the show thinks is the second coming of Percy Harvin.
Among the range of outcomes the most likely is probably Chark locking down the right boundary and Jones manning the left side when they’re in 12 personnel. IIRC both had 25 or less snaps in the slot in ‘20 and they’ve both always been outside guys. Laviska could see a fair number of outside snaps (X being more likely than Z based on his rookie snaps), but more than likely he’s going to see a significant uptick in Slot routes from 11 formations. Somebody might be losing snaps to ETN in his hybrid role, but Meyer is a WC here - no one really knows what he might do.
The “he played small last year” comments seem pretty innocuous to me when you look at later clarifying comments from the HC and Chark taking it to heart by adding 7 pounds of muscle. But I do think the superlatives the rookie has been heaping on Shenault are worth noting - we’ll see if coach is actually being candid or just pumping up the confidence of his oft-injured (three surgeries in college) 2nd year guy.
As I have to often note this time of year, I’m a redraft player so “already been to PB/already had 1K season” is more important to me than “good finish last year maybe he’ll progress this year.” Listen, they’re both talented guys, but the Vet has been working with the new OC the last couple years at their previous stop, so we really don’t know how these three will shake out. Consensus ECR and ADP reflect a good 3.5-4 round difference from Chark to Jones with LS closer to DJ than Marvin.
They’re all gonna have value IMO. One as a WR2, the other two as Flex plays or NYE [bye] week fillers. And both RBs are in the RB2/Flex conversation as well.
Meyer is hard to predict at this point.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
While I appreciate what Shipley is saying here I have also watched Laviska Shenault and I remain unconvinced that there is no overlap in how they might be used in a NFL offense.
Here are some cut ups of LS from last season. He does make several plays downfield and one over the middle which was a poor decision by the QB throwing into double coverage but LS comes up with the ball so no harm no foul. Some of the plays are gadgety such as the wheel route out of the backfield (first play of the clips) jet sweeps and so on. Its not as many constraint plays as he was doing in college though, so perhaps Shipley has a point here.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
What makes you think LS will play the X (on the LOS) more than the Z?
His skill set seems better suited for the Z to me than the X.
I don't know what to make of this offense. Its all new to me. I have been mostly ignoring this team for a long time as they didnt have any players who interested me until recently.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I answered this above (and you bolded it) - based on his rookie snaps. Plus the OC is not an unknown. We may not know exactly what Meyer will do but Darrell Bevel has a substantial body of work in the NFL. Jax will run 11 personnel 70% of the team, even if they want to run more this year.Biabreakable said:
I’ve read probably 8-10 articles on the Jac trio recently bc it’s got to be right there with CIN & PIT as one of the more difficult to decipher this early. Rookie QB, wild card HC, not insignificant WR FA signing, rookie RB who will play some snaps outside, new OC, low investment bell cow from last year who will surely see his role diminish. There are a lot of factors in the mix.
We’re just throwing spaghetti against the wall rn. Going to need to see TC competition and some PS usage for more clues. We don’t draft until the last Sunday in August but there’s 5 guys on Jax who I might consider drafting so I’m monitoring.
