Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right, 2/3 of the GMs are probably dreaming about him doing Tyreek Hill things right now
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WR Henry Ruggs III (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
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Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
I read that Denver in love with Ruggs was the league's worst kept secret
ETA- I've heard Jeudy rumors too, however that only came out within the last few days. I've been hearing Ruggs for weeks.
Not sure that's a great spot for Jeudy, but it's quite obvious dream landing spots are few and far between for these wrs going early
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I really try to privilege talent over situation (cue obligatory AJ Brown example + “things change fast” comment — both true btw) but I don’t want any of my favorite WRs landing in Denver. Sutton is ascending as a very possible top target and while Lock showed promise he’s still an open question. Can he sustain 2 fantasy relevant WRs (including with Gordon and Fant demanding targets)?
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
You can make easy money on that if he falls past pick 13. His over/under draft spot is 13.5 on betting sites.
personally I bet the under.
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Soulfly3
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Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, I think Ruggs could go top-10. Certainly top-half of the 1st.
He might be a more impactful NFL player than FFer, but I have no doubt he's highly rated by the vast majority of teams.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
As hard as I've been hitting the return button for this guy, I'm smiling down at it, too.
GB Al. RIP, and you'd be proud.
Keith1
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Bummer, dude. It was fifteen at the latest in most mocks. Maybe that was why they pulled it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
The Ghost of Al Davis strikes!!
Football Jones
Footballguy
Baby Reek is being undervalued by the FF community (in general), IMO.
More skilled than Reek, Ruggs doesn't have Mahomes throwing to him, but this dude is going to be a handful for Ds. He's got soft hands & is an accomplished route-runner. Ruggs has nearly every trait except size, but he's still 5'11 (not super-short).
Ruggs has skills typically not associated with speedsters, much less ones who run a sub-4.3 40. He's got a very high floor with a sky-high ceiling. Ruggs could easily end up being the best FF WR in this class.
More skilled than Reek, Ruggs doesn't have Mahomes throwing to him, but this dude is going to be a handful for Ds. He's got soft hands & is an accomplished route-runner. Ruggs has nearly every trait except size, but he's still 5'11 (not super-short).
Ruggs has skills typically not associated with speedsters, much less ones who run a sub-4.3 40. He's got a very high floor with a sky-high ceiling. Ruggs could easily end up being the best FF WR in this class.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Tell it.Football Jones said:
Penguin
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
No denying Ruggs speed, which immediately is elite even at the next level. However I think you are under appreciating Tyreek with that statement. Tyreek is an alpha specimen. What makes him special is not only his world class speed but he is built like a brick $#it-house. Everything he does is violent and he plays larger than his stature. Maybe Ruggs morphs into that, but to say he already more skilled than Tyreek seems like a major stretch at this point.Football Jones said:
rockaction
Footballguy
I missed the bolded when I said "Tell it!" I would like to backpedal a bit. Ruggs is nowhere near the open-field, joystick-esque freak that Tyreek is. He's just not. And until he proves that he's a viable target monster, too, he won't be able to lay claim to Tyreek's mantle.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Ruggs is starting to grow on me. In fact I really do not have a lot of separation in rankings between CEH, Taylor, Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs and even Dobbins at this point. After looking closer at Ruggs I see more physicality than I thought I would which is a nice plus. Bottom line it is just really challenging evaluating college receiver prospects as there are just so many aspects to look at. I heard a stat that somewhat shocked me the other day....”Only 29% of 1st round receivers earn a second contract with the team that drafted them”. I can’t recall where I heard that but that is pretty surprising to me if true. It also tells me that the NFL has a hard to with receiver evaluations so why should I think I can do it?
Anyway Ruggs definitely has an elite quality and that is a good start. Will he continue to develop, have a great desire to be great, get stronger, master the route tree, have a skilled enough quarterback, be the focal point of his offense, stay injury free....etc?...who knows. I wouldn’t bat an eye if anyone chose him over Lamb/Jeudy or vice versa. This group is close and all offer different unique qualities. Trying to figure out this class has shaved at least a few months off my life. Sitting at 1.01 and 1.08 this year and I would much rather be at 1.04 and 1.05.
DocHolliday
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There is only one Tyreek. He is a truly special player and Ruggs is going to have to work extremely hard to come close to being Tyreek. That doesn’t mean that Ruggs can’t be a great player in the NFL. He has blazing speed and good hands. That’s a great start.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Don’t misunderstand me. I own Reek & picked him up when he was considered a flier.
That said, we’re talking about two different types of prospects coming out. Reek has gotten a lot better as a WR, but his biggest FF assets are being one of the most athletic freaks in the world (much like Ruggs) & having Mahomes as his QB.
Ruggs is a highly skilled WR. I believe most people are underestimating his technical ability. He’s way more than a speed guy.
DA RAIDERS
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EBF
Footballguy
Every fast guy being compared to Tyreek is like every tall guy being compared to Randy Moss. There's only one. I was an early Tyreek adopter and I drafted Ruggs in my only dev league last summer, so I don't really have a strong bias either way. Both players are good, but they have very little in common besides speed. As others have said, Tyreek is a unique athlete. Not only is he blazing fast, but he is STRONG for his height and has unusual short-area agility and quickness. It's the combination of everything that makes him maybe the best pass-catching weapon in the NFL right now.
Ruggs doesn't have all of that in his tool box. He isn't functionally strong on the football field. He isn't elusive. He runs good routes and has good hands, so I agree with FJ that he's more than just a track guy. However, in terms of style he's a pure vertical threat. He can win vertically all day. If you want best-case scenarios, it would be people like TY Hilton, Isaac Bruce, and Santonio Holmes. All are fast, thin vertical WRs with solid routes and hands. However, I don't think you're getting any of the catch-and-run stuff that Tyreek brings. I've balked at the comparison for the last 8-9 months, even before Ruggs's stock really blew up. They aren't alike.
Ruggs doesn't have all of that in his tool box. He isn't functionally strong on the football field. He isn't elusive. He runs good routes and has good hands, so I agree with FJ that he's more than just a track guy. However, in terms of style he's a pure vertical threat. He can win vertically all day. If you want best-case scenarios, it would be people like TY Hilton, Isaac Bruce, and Santonio Holmes. All are fast, thin vertical WRs with solid routes and hands. However, I don't think you're getting any of the catch-and-run stuff that Tyreek brings. I've balked at the comparison for the last 8-9 months, even before Ruggs's stock really blew up. They aren't alike.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Torry Holt?
Football Jones
Footballguy
I see nuances in Ruggs' game that Tyreek either doesn't apply or is unable to. For one, Ruggs' releases are pretty slick. And he does that thing where he alternates speed really well to help create false moves for the DB. He's quite a bit more technically advanced than Tyreek, IMO.
There's also a pretty big difference in their hands. Ruggs is generally considered to be a plucker with soft hands. Tyreek, while he's got decent pass-catching ability, isn't in Ruggs' class & I'd make an argument it's not real close.
All that said, I love me some Reek. Sounds like we were both early adopters. He plays with better strength & is more elusive than Ruggs, but his main advantage right now is Mahomes. Ultimately, Ruggs' FF value will come down to QB play. Bottom line, I'm willing to bet that won't be a long-term hindrance.
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rockaction
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Put it this way, if we gave Ruggs a year to get acclimated to the NFL, then they switched teams in year-2, I'm confident Ruggs would out-produce Reek (assuming Mahomes was still playing at his current level).
However, the reality is that's just an exercise in hypotheticals & we'll need to see what kind of QB play Ruggs gets before we can make an absolute statement about his FF prospects.
However, the reality is that's just an exercise in hypotheticals & we'll need to see what kind of QB play Ruggs gets before we can make an absolute statement about his FF prospects.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Trade options vary depending upon the league. My league is more on the non-active side. If one owner owned both the 4 & 5 I would have a shot. Dealing with two owners trying to make this happen is more challenging.
EBF
Footballguy
Think you are underrating Tyreek quite a bit. Top 3-4 pure talent in the league at WR right now. Maybe top 1.
Football Jones
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I mean, you said that after a year of acclimation Ruggs would be better than Tyreek in the same situation. So you don't really agree with him unless you think Ruggs could be the best WR in the league. No way you think that, right?
Football Jones
Footballguy
LOL.
I said if they switched teams after giving Ruggs a year to get acclimated to the NFL (key point Reek is in LV), then Ruggs would out-produce him in KC.
rockaction
Footballguy
I would more than hesitate to put anyone on Tyreek's level. His route running, speed, catching, and return and open-field running are a combination I've never seen before. That run against Dallas at the end of the half a year and a half ago when they all looked confused as he waltzed through them and in for a score? It might have been the best open-field run I've ever seen. It was jaw-dropping.
rockaction
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
For the record, I don't believe Ruggs is on Tyreek's level (yet). That would be a silly statement at this point. That said, Tyreek was WAY behind Ruggs at the same point in their careers. We're talking not in the same ballpark.
As freaky as Reek is, Ruggs isn't far behind & he's clearly more skilled as a pure WR (that's really not debatable). There's a difference between technical ability & some of the things Reek does that helps him be a top NFL player (i.e., athletic ability), not to mention the advantage he's got with Mahomes.
As far as FF is concerned, & that's mainly why we're all on this board, it's yet to be determined how good Ruggs' situation will be (which obviously affects his value). Lots to shake out yet.
As freaky as Reek is, Ruggs isn't far behind & he's clearly more skilled as a pure WR (that's really not debatable). There's a difference between technical ability & some of the things Reek does that helps him be a top NFL player (i.e., athletic ability), not to mention the advantage he's got with Mahomes.
As far as FF is concerned, & that's mainly why we're all on this board, it's yet to be determined how good Ruggs' situation will be (which obviously affects his value). Lots to shake out yet.
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rockaction
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I am now the proud sponsor of a bouncing Henry Ruggs on my dynasty team. Woot! Let's get the train going. Speed for miles, hands to cradle. Let's hope it all goes well for him. Whooohooooo! Figured this thread could use a party.
