D’onta Foreman didn’t look bad after healing, although not the same caliber of player.Has any RB ever come back from an Achilles and been close to what they were? I can't think of any.
You’d have to take shady for the good omen he has been in recent yearsFree Agent RBs
Todd Gurley 27
Duke Johnson 28
T.J. Yeldon 28
Dion Lewis 31
Chris Thompson 31
LeSean McCoy 33
Adrian Peterson 36
Frank Gore 38
Alfred Morris 33
Tyler Ervin 28
DeAndre Washington 28
Le'Veon Bell 29
Senorise Perry 30
Kenjon Barner 32
Bryce Love 24
Ito Smith 26
D'Onta Foreman 25
Ryquell Armstead 25
Sewo Olonilua 24
T.J. Logan 27
Jeremy Cox 25
Craig Reynolds 25
B.J. Emmons 23
Jordan Chunn 26
Pete Guerriero 23
Paul Perkins 27
Rakeem Boyd 23
Received this offer last night :What are people paying to acquire Akers in dynasty right now?
What RB in last few years suffered an achilles injury? We got Mack but we've not seen him. Foreman. The list is small and going back to far is pointless. Not saying you are arguing that Akers can't but those who do in fact argue he can't use that same line of what RB has ever come back and been close but I'm don't agree with the entire line of thinking.Has any RB ever come back from an Achilles and been close to what they were? I can't think of any.
I think Denver would have to pay the Rams to take on his $7M.I think Denver would need blown away. They want Gordon to help bridge to unleashing Williams in '22.
This injury is not only bad for 2021 but he could be affected permanently. He may only be 80% of what he was. This injury is worse than a Torn ACL.
One of the free agents on that list was D'Onta Foreman who I think was a promising player before his Achilles injury.
I hope some day a NFL RB will recover from this injury and be good after it but it hasn't happened yet. It is a bigger deal than a ACL injury.
I would bet strongly on him never returning to even 80%
From personal experience an achilles injury is devastating. It zaps you of your quickness. I was never the same pickup basketball player after tearing my achilles when I was 40. I am sure my rehab and doctors were just as good as what Akers will be getting so if my recovery was any indication he won't even be 40% of what he once was. I have never been able to get back to my pre-injury form. I mean I was able to get to within 18-20" of the rim and my first step was lethal against 50 yr olds in the pickup game. Now I am lucky if I can get as close as 24" to the rim and now just have to settle for 3 pt shots as I can't even get by 55 yr olds now. It's just heartbreaking. It really derailed my career.Has any RB ever come back from an Achilles and been close to what they were? I can't think of any.
His recovery can prove me wrong on someone else's team. I'd give a 3, but expect the Akers owner to correctly decline that offer so I won't be sending one. If they reach out to me that's what I'll say though.What are people paying to acquire Akers in dynasty right now?
I appreciate your sense of humor about this Gally. Laughter is healing.From personal experience an achilles injury is devastating. It zaps you of your quickness. I was never the same pickup basketball player after tearing my achilles when I was 40. I am sure my rehab and doctors were just as good as what Akers will be getting so if my recovery was any indication he won't even be 40% of what he once was. I have never been able to get back to my pre-injury form. I mean I was able to get to within 18-20" of the rim and my first step was lethal against 50 yr olds in the pickup game. Now I am lucky if I can get as close as 24" to the rim and now just have to settle for 3 pt shots as I can't even get by 55 yr olds now. It's just heartbreaking. It really derailed my career.
All kidding aside, it is a devastating injury with a long recovery time. I had a complete tear with a 5 cm gap in the tendon. I was in a cast for 12 weeks with no weight bearing for that entire time. I basically had to learn how to walk again on the leg once the cast came off. My balance and strength were completely gone and it took a long time before I had any push off strength for running. It's still not the same and that was 8 yrs ago. Granted I am not an elite athlete and was 40 at the time of the injury but apples to apples my "explosiveness" is probably 60% of what it was. You just don't have the same strength, feel, reaction that you once had. It is a terrible injury to have for an athlete that relies on quickness, explosiveness, and acceleration.
I brought this up in the other thread but has a barely 22 year old RB and as talented as Akers torn his achilles before? Typcially it's older guys in the twilight of their careers.Has any RB ever come back from an Achilles and been close to what they were? I can't think of any.
Mikel Leshoure and D'onta Foreman are the obvious comps. Things didn't go well for them although we don't really know what their career trajectories would have been since they (like Akers) were hurt before they got full NFL seasons worth of a workload.I brought this up in the other thread but has a barely 22 year old RB and as talented as Akers torn his achilles before? Typcially it's older guys in the twilight of their careers.
This is a fallacy.I brought this up in the other thread but has a barely 22 year old RB and as talented as Akers torn his achilles before? Typcially it's older guys in the twilight of their careers.
Not so sure about that. He ruptured his achilles his rookie year (2017). He played in one game in 2018, carrying the ball 7 times for -1 yards. He didn't play in 2019. He played in 6 games in 2020 where he had 22 caries for 93 yards.D’onta Foreman didn’t look bad after healing, although not the same caliber of player.
That Twitter post is wrong on multiple data points, not too mention missing a lot of context.tangfoot said:This is a fallacy.
There's plenty of RBs with this injury at age 25 or younger, and the list is ugly.
https://twitter.com/Kyle_FFRecon/status/1372302909304627200
Something smells fishy about his achilles injuryAnd Marlin Mack remains to be seen but appears to have already lost his starting job to Taylor anyway.
I agree with this. Marlon Mack will attempt an Achilles comeback this season. No one else has come close to their previous fantasy value after suffering this type of injury. Wish him the best, but a low 2nd is top value in a dynasty trade, imo.osubuckeyeman said:Medical red flag for me. I would not pay anything.
Not sure what happened to him but I remember Waldman touching on him being back on the field as someone to monitor and just off stats he appeared to be productive with his carries. Not a great example but the most recent I could think of.Ilov80s said:Not so sure about that. He ruptured his achilles his rookie year (2017). He played in one game in 2018, carrying the ball 7 times for -1 yards. He didn't play in 2019. He played in 6 games in 2020 where he had 22 caries for 93 yards.
Yeah, he did make it back eventually. Took a few years sadly.Not sure what happened to him but I remember Waldman touching on him being back on the field as someone to monitor and just off stats he appeared to be productive with his carries. Not a great example but the most recent I could think of.
Tell me what Doc Chao has called correctlymenobrown said:What RB in last few years suffered an achilles injury? We got Mack but we've not seen him. Foreman. The list is small and going back to far is pointless. Not saying you are arguing that Akers can't but those who do in fact argue he can't use that same line of what RB has ever come back and been close but I'm don't agree with the entire line of thinking.
More then anything we've seen plenty of WR's come back, and in a lot less then 13 months and show zero signs of having suffered an injury.
FWIW Doc Chao also thinks he'll be fine next season.
I do NOT own Akers in dynasty.
Been playing fantasy football for a long time and he's the best source of injury information and I've ever had and it's not even close. Add to that he is of course a former team doctor and an orthopedic surgeon but rando guy on a fantasy message boards knows more. Got it.Tell me what Doc Chao has called correctly
aggressive. He asked for some examples of his accuracy for his medical opinion...he didn't call your grandma a slut.Been playing fantasy football for a long time and he's the best source of injury information and I've ever had and it's not even close. Add to that he is of course a former team doctor and an orthopedic surgeon but rando guy on a fantasy message boards knows more. Got it.
If he’s the best and not even close then I’m sure you can come up with examples.Been playing fantasy football for a long time and he's the best source of injury information and I've ever had and it's not even close. Add to that he is of course a former team doctor and an orthopedic surgeon but rando guy on a fantasy message boards knows more. Got it.
I'd probably offer to make the 2nd a 3rd and see if he goes for it.oukurt said:Received this offer last night :
Dynasty 1QB, .5 ppr
Akers, Cam LAR RB
Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick
for
Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.07
Initial thought : hard pass
Do I want a (generous) 75% Akers in 2022 or a 100% Waddle, D Williams, or possibly E Moore now?
I could go to his site and list stuff all day. He's not perfect but he does hit a high amount of stuff. I don't know his past history on specifics of achilles to RB's but he was very positive on Sanders and in the NBA on Kevin Durant making full returns after achilles. You want an exact example of a RB I don't know, that's part of the problem with the way I think people are analyzing this injury, we don't have a lot of recent examples.If he’s the best and not even close then I’m sure you can come up with examples.
You could but you haven’t. Odd considering your stance, his take and the extreme severity of the injury.I could go to his site and list stuff all day. He's not perfect but he does hit a high amount of stuff. I don't know his past history on specifics of achilles to RB's but he was very positive on Sanders and in the NBA on Kevin Durant making full returns after achilles. You want an exact example of a RB I don't know, that's part of the problem with the way I think people are analyzing this injury, we don't have a lot of recent examples.
He’s got a great track record of diagnosing injuries via video.Tell me what Doc Chao has called correctly
Tell me what Doc Chao has called correctly.He’s got a great track record of diagnosing injuries via video.
He’s also arguably a discredited doctor and I don’t know if he still has a license to practice, but that’s primarily due to outsider issues (DUI, etc)
There was some malpractice too.He’s got a great track record of diagnosing injuries via video.
He’s also arguably a discredited doctor and I don’t know if he still has a license to practice, but that’s primarily due to outsider issues (DUI, etc)
Go to his Twitter feed and tell me if you think anything is wrong.Tell me what Doc Chao has called correctly.
Brutal. Thanks for sharing.Gally said:All kidding aside, it is a devastating injury with a long recovery time. I had a complete tear with a 5 cm gap in the tendon. I was in a cast for 12 weeks with no weight bearing for that entire time. I basically had to learn how to walk again on the leg once the cast came off. My balance and strength were completely gone and it took a long time before I had any push off strength for running. It's still not the same and that was 8 yrs ago. Granted I am not an elite athlete and was 40 at the time of the injury but apples to apples my "explosiveness" is probably 60% of what it was. You just don't have the same strength, feel, reaction that you once had. It is a terrible injury to have for an athlete that relies on quickness, explosiveness, and acceleration.
He rehab’d the full next 2017 season (tore his Achilles late in his rookie year) but then was cut by Bill O’Brien the following preseason of 2018 supposedly for “poor work ethic.” Given what we know of Bill O’Brien now, who knows what to make of that. Foreman landed on Indy on the practice squad I believe, first game he got called up he got only a handful of carries and he tore his bicep and then was placed on season ending IR. He took 2019 completely off (no idea why, just what I read) and landed as a backup to Henry in Tennessee for 2020. Likely due to so many former Texans coaches being in TENN so they were familiar with him.Yeah, he did make it back eventually. Took a few years sadly.
"Fine next year" seems really optimistic, so I went looking for his take on Akers on his Twitter feed, and came across this beauty:Tell me what Doc Chao has called correctly
https://twitter.com/Kyle_FFRecon/status/1372302909304627200Has any RB ever come back from an Achilles and been close to what they were? I can't think of any.
That first line is staggering. This is very much a possible two year injury.-11 total since 2010
-2 returned to play the following season (Hunter, Oliver)
-6 never saw an NFL touch again
-6 had 196+ touch season prior to tear
-0 had>85 touches in comeback year
SoberingWent back and found a Lions forum post Mikel Leshoure injury in 2012. Lmk if any of these quotes look familiar.
Trade him for a future 4th round pick becomes a viable option here.Tough break for some Contract Dynasty players, for sure. Our League uses Years, only, not Salary $$$, so it's simpler, but for our Akers Owner, the ramifications are pretty harsh. High draft capital (2020 1.05), and he placed a 5-year Contract on Akers. 50 Year Cap for 20 Players (14 Team League). Putting him on IR doesn't alleviate the Years, it only creates a Roster opening. If he cuts him, he gets charged for the whatever the Contract is the year he's cut (they become Dead Years), then X-1 the following year, then it's washed. Unless he retires, or dies, while on the Roster, in which case the contract is eliminated, immediately. Injuries suck. Ones like these, to high-value Players, really suck.
IIRC, if a player goes on IR before Week 1, he is subject to waivers and is also ineligible to be an IR-designated for return spot. I doubt the second part really applies here.Not to hijack the discussion about medical crystal balling, but does anyone know when NFL teams assign a player to IR in cases where the injury occurs before camp? My leagues do not allow placing a player on IR until MFL displays him on IR, so I'm sitting (along with all you other disheartened owners) on Akers as a roster clogger, until such time as all this happens. I don't remember, or haven't paid attention, to a season ending injury for a skill position player before camp starts in the past. Anyone know what sort of timeline we might expect on the IR designation?