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23 minutes ago, babydemon90 said:

I don't even know what to say. You got to imagine the coaches go over things like this on the film room every week with Carson yet he still does it again the next week. Something is broken in his head this year. 

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At least now my fantasy name can be My Cox Hurts instead of My Cox Ertz now. 

34 minutes ago, Insein said:

I don't even know what to say. You got to imagine the coaches go over things like this on the film room every week with Carson yet he still does it again the next week. Something is broken in his head this year. 

I think the bolded is exactly it.  Because he's never played like this before probably in his entire career.  I think the confidence right now is shot.  

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Guess it's time for the game we all hate to play, what would you do if you were Lurie. Here's everything I would do today. We'll save the offseason for later:

1. Fire Howie/Doug today.
2. Make Staley interim coach (the team talks him up every offseason, prove it).
3. Pick any of the remaining "offensive minds" to be OC and call plays, whichever one believes in using your few playmakers more.
4. Instruct Staley to sit/deactivate Jeffrey, outside of injuries. Fulgham and Reagor are your starters, Ward in the slot because you have nothing else, and more snaps for Hightower and Watkins.
5. Peters to IR. He's done. Starting o-line for remainder of season (if healthy) Mailata-Seumalo-Kelce-Herbig-Driscoll
6. Give Hurts a start after a couple more weeks. Not fair to throw him in immediately after a big shake-up. Need to see what you have since you wasted a 2nd on him.
7. Any other older player you don't need and won't kill the cap, gone. Guys like Jordan Howard. Start poaching from other practice squads, maybe you get lucky again like with Fulgham.
 

I was defending Pederson (just wanted him to stop calling plays) but last night broke me.

What do you guys have on your short-term wish list?

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45 minutes ago, Insein said:

I don't even know what to say. You got to imagine the coaches go over things like this on the film room every week with Carson yet he still does it again the next week. Something is broken in his head this year. 

Which is a good argument for clearing house. Completely. I don't even know how to evaluate anyone's stats at this point. Reagor might be at 700 and 5 TD's on another team.

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7 hours ago, Deamon said:

Not another "fake OC" from KC.

Agreed.  Feels like Nagy and Doug with him and at 51 he's not the young offensive mind I want

2 hours ago, need2know said:

Sanders ran the ball 6 times

He should have had 20 touches in this game

2 hours ago, need2know said:

Good news.  We are gonna lose alot more

The only game they have a chance to even be favored in is Dallas and that's a maybe right now

2 hours ago, need2know said:

So who's the first coach fired and when?

Doug before the Washington game

1 hour ago, Pip's Invitation said:

It would be logical to fire the OC, but we don’t really know who that is.

They don't have one.  They have a run game coordinator (Duce) and a pass game coordinator (Press Taylor)

1 hour ago, babydemon90 said:

Never been the biggest Baldy guy when it comes to him looking over tape.  He's often criticized and doesn't seem to have a full grasp of it.  Someone in the comments touched on it.  Without knowing the read progression it's hard to say but Wentz seemed to get what he wanted with Goedert.  He made a bad throw and Dallas failed to adjust to the ball as well.

He (Baldy) breaks down a play after using Ward and wonders why Carson doesn't throw the ball to him.  He says it himself, they're in zone, and as Ward is running the out you see Griffen's eyes on Wentz ready to undercut the route. 

Wentz has no trust in this offense anymore.  Everything is second guessed and he doesn't throw with confidence at all. 

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9 minutes ago, babydemon90 said:

Which is a good argument for clearing house. Completely. I don't even know how to evaluate anyone's stats at this point. Reagor might be at 700 and 5 TD's on another team.

And Justin Jefferson might have done nothing if we'd drafted him. 

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1 hour ago, babydemon90 said:

 

1 hour ago, jasvic said:

The defeat in Baldy's voice at the end of that video...

yeah it is telling. i know a lot of people are still trying to defend Wentz, but it seems pretty obvious that his teammates are giving up on him. hard to keep running your routes hard when you know he isn't going to see you or throw the ball your way. 

Why he only connects with TE's, and still can't connect with Sanders on screen plays is beyond frustrating/embarrassing. fact that it is week 12 and these issues still exist is on Wentz and Doug

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6 minutes ago, modogg said:

 

Why he only connects with TE's, and still can't connect with Sanders on screen plays is beyond frustrating/embarrassing. fact that it is week 12 and these issues still exist is on Wentz and Doug

Every screen is sniffed out and on the one near the goal line Scott decided to not go out for the screen.  When is the last time you saw one of our screens end in something positive?  One of the announcers even alluded to it yesterday after Raegor got 8 yards on one.  He said something like "wow its been a while since we've seen a screen work here and they're usually one of the better teams at running screens"

When defenses know what's coming ("it's taking these guys hours to get open etc") it's hard to make a play.  He'll have open guys but his read or progressions are starting somewhere else.  Im not defending Wentz but ALL of that is coaching

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15 minutes ago, Pip's Invitation said:

And Justin Jefferson might have done nothing if we'd drafted him. 

There's no might have about it. JJ would have about 200 yards max right now and maybe a TD along with missing at least 3 games with our cutting edge trainers room. 

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1 minute ago, modogg said:

it really is gross. i don't know if there is a team in professional sports, with the amount of potential talent they have, that is as broken as this front office, coaching, and overall team.

Jets, Jags, Lions off the top of my head have been bad like this for years.

This is new for us but we could all see it coming.  It can be corrected and we have some nice pieces but I have no faith the current GM can draft or the current HC can scheme and motivate. 

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Carson Wentz wasn’t good enough tonight 
-Sanders had 8 touches-only 6 runs. INEXCUSABLE 
-Wentz was taken out of pocket 1 time. INEXCUSABLE 
-QB led team in rushing 
-the OL gave up 6 sacks
-a multitude of drops
-0 creativity
-0 winners outside
-terrible game management 

Something I’ve learned over the last 5+ years or so and it’s as important as anything when it comes to QB development and coaching IMO

NEVER. EVER. EVER....Make the QB not trust his eyes or take his stinger away. 

A player doesn’t do that-coaching does.

Thats from Dan Orlovsky

 

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

I don't even know what to say. You got to imagine the coaches go over things like this on the film room every week with Carson yet he still does it again the next week. Something is broken in his head this year. 

Just throwing this out there:

Jadeveon Clowney : Carson Wentz :: Scott Stevens : Eric Lindros

:shrug:

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From an objective observer - they need to start fresh. The window is over for them and there are 4 good first round qb prospects.

Bench wentz see what Hurts does rest of the year then cut Wentz in offseason and take astronomical cap hit - cut all bad salaries and take cap hits next couple of years. Focus on 3 year rebuild. Trade players with value like Miles Sanders.

Because this roster as currently constructed is very bad.

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19 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Jets, Jags, Lions off the top of my head have been bad like this for years.

And all of them, plus Houston and soon some others, will be looking to fill the same coaching and front office jobs we are. Not great timing to have all that competition while we're looking to land cream-of-the-crop talent. 

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2 minutes ago, Balco said:

From an objective observer - they need to start fresh. The window is over for them and there are 4 good first round qb prospects.

Bench wentz see what Hurts does rest of the year then cut Wentz in offseason and take astronomical cap hit - cut all bad salaries and take cap hits next couple of years. Focus on 3 year rebuild. Trade players with value like Miles Sanders.

Because this roster as currently constructed is very bad.

Dude. This isn’t Madden :lmao:

1 minute ago, The Noid said:

And all of them, plus Houston and soon some others, will be looking to fill the same coaching and front office jobs we are. Not great timing to have all that competition while we're looking to land cream-of-the-crop talent. 

Gotta start early IMO. A Wentz/Sanders/Ertz/Goedert/Lane/Kelce with a high pick could be attractive. There’s not a lot of turnover here normally too. 

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Just now, Bigboy10182000 said:

We are taking losses in each of the next 3 games. I can’t see how Doug and Howie make it out of that stretch. 

it will be too late by then, but this is probably how it goes. would be better to do it this week, or next and put Duce in at HC for a trial run.

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1 minute ago, modogg said:

it will be too late by then, but this is probably how it goes. would be better to do it this week, or next and put Duce in at HC for a trial run.

I don’t disagree but starting your HC and GM search prior to week 16 isn’t the worst thing. 

I thought about Duce as HC but wondered who’s call plays. Him as the HC or Press Taylor? That’s why I mentioned Swartz as interim HC and Duce handling playcalling. Who knows though 

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4 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I don’t disagree but starting your HC and GM search prior to week 16 isn’t the worst thing. 

I thought about Duce as HC but wondered who’s call plays. Him as the HC or Press Taylor? That’s why I mentioned Swartz as interim HC and Duce handling playcalling. Who knows though 

Look a my to-do list above. I tell Schwartz we need him at DC and to have the unit finish strong but he'll get a fair shot at HC in the offseason (spoiler alert, he won't get it). Make Staley the HC and take your pick of any of the gang of idiots as the OC and playcaller.

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5 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I thought about Duce as HC but wondered who’s call plays.

I think we're over-estimating the play-calling impact. Whether it's Doug, Duce, etc., they're all still calling plays from the ones installed for that game plan. And the game plans are at the root of the problem. It's not like Doug has a bunch of plays on his call sheet that are stellar and he keeps avoiding them. The only difference might be whether someone else calls more crappy run plays than crappy pass plays.

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17 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

We are taking losses in each of the next 3 games. I can’t see how Doug and Howie make it out of that stretch. 

It's all going to dep nd if NYG or Wash can take hold of this division. If they're still mathematically alive, Lurie won't pull the plug

 

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20 hours ago, unckeyherb said:

yeah, I guess I'm just looking at this like its ####-or-get-off-the-pot time for Doug, Wentz, the coordinators, etc.  If ever there was a time to get right it would be on primetime against the worst defense in the league.  Do I think its possible?  Definitely.  I still refuse to believe that Wentz is as bad as he's looked.  He's been bad, but there have been a number of mitigating circumstances to amplify his apparent regression-obvious missed blocking assignments, bad route running techniques (both getting separation and also just knowing when to stop on a route), terrible in game adjustments by Doug (abandoning the run constantly when it is clearly the only thing working).  I don't expect these guys to all of a sudden become Antonio Brown-esque route runners and the Oline is what it is but the play calling IS something that can be adjusted.  I'd expect Doug to aggressively run the ball for four quarters and if he does I think they can win.  If its deep in the third quarter and Sanders has 8 rushes, then yeah, we aren't winning.  It seems obvious to me, so it should be obvious to the folks that have his ear (and frankly it should be obvious to him).  Doug has shown a willingness and more importantly an ability to adjust how he calls games to fit the needs of the team and QB (think Foles in our Super Bowl year).  I just hope the thrashing he and the team have received from the fans and the media lately scare him into recognizing a shift in philosophy is necessary here.  

Deep into the third quarter, Sanders had 6 carries.  He finished with 6 carries.  We didn't win.  

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2 hours ago, fred_1_15301 said:

I think the bolded is exactly it.  Because he's never played like this before probably in his entire career.  I think the confidence right now is shot.  

I'm with Insein here that it's all coaching.  We've seen guys like Tannehill look awful and then look like top 10 QB's with new coaches.  Carson really needs a new coach.

We all wanna blow the team up.. which I somewhat agree with.  But I think we need to blow the offensive coaches up (Figuratively, don't ban me).

Lurie needs to fire Howie, and then tell Doug he can stay if he gets rid of every offensive coach and hands the offense over to someone new/fresh.

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1 hour ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I don’t disagree but starting your HC and GM search prior to week 16 isn’t the worst thing. 

I thought about Duce as HC but wondered who’s call plays. Him as the HC or Press Taylor? That’s why I mentioned Swartz as interim HC and Duce handling playcalling. Who knows though 

 

1 hour ago, jasvic said:

Look a my to-do list above. I tell Schwartz we need him at DC and to have the unit finish strong but he'll get a fair shot at HC in the offseason (spoiler alert, he won't get it). Make Staley the HC and take your pick of any of the gang of idiots as the OC and playcaller.

Duce  doesn't have what it takes to be HC IMO.  If Doug goes, bring someone else in that is either a fresh young mind, or doesn't have any hold ups about the OC taking over the offense.

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

It's all going to dep nd if NYG or Wash can take hold of this division. If they're still mathematically alive, Lurie won't pull the plug

 

Can't see the Giants doing it with Jones out for a while.  Wash takes this division I think. 

If they win it, I wonder if they keep "Football Team" forever :P

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Sorry to go all Djax on everyone here. 

Anyways, if we lose out it looks like we will probably get pick 4.  Can't get into top 3 which will likely be the two stud QB's and Oregon OLineman.  Any of those three woulda been huge for us.  That tie with Cinci might end up haunting us if we lose out and miss out on one of those 3 players in the draft.

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1 minute ago, Deamon said:

Sorry to go all Djax on everyone here. 

Anyways, if we lose out it looks like we will probably get pick 4.  Can't get into top 3 which will likely be the two stud QB's and Oregon OLineman.  Any of those three woulda been huge for us.  That tie with Cinci might end up haunting us if we lose out and miss out on one of those 3 players in the draft.

We all have those moments lol

With as much as we need a top 10 pick should yield a star player and we need one at just about every position.

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1 minute ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

We all have those moments lol

With as much as we need a top 10 pick should yield a star player and we need one at just about every position.

One more win drops us to pick 15.  Crazy how many 4 win teams there are.  I'm still going to cheer for us while we are actually playing the games each week (Don't think I have it in me not to), but man, for everything going on right now, a top 5 pick in each round would be pretty awesome (EDT:  As long as Howie isn't making the pick)

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3 hours ago, jasvic said:

Guess it's time for the game we all hate to play, what would you do if you were Lurie. Here's everything I would do today. We'll save the offseason for later:

1. Fire Howie/Doug today.
2. Make Staley interim coach (the team talks him up every offseason, prove it).
3. Pick any of the remaining "offensive minds" to be OC and call plays, whichever one believes in using your few playmakers more.
4. Instruct Staley to sit/deactivate Jeffrey, outside of injuries. Fulgham and Reagor are your starters, Ward in the slot because you have nothing else, and more snaps for Hightower and Watkins.
5. Peters to IR. He's done. Starting o-line for remainder of season (if healthy) Mailata-Seumalo-Kelce-Herbig-Driscoll
6. Give Hurts a start after a couple more weeks. Not fair to throw him in immediately after a big shake-up. Need to see what you have since you wasted a 2nd on him.
7. Any other older player you don't need and won't kill the cap, gone. Guys like Jordan Howard. Start poaching from other practice squads, maybe you get lucky again like with Fulgham.
 

I was defending Pederson (just wanted him to stop calling plays) but last night broke me.

What do you guys have on your short-term wish list?

i like this list. i think #3 would be a great start TODAY! put 3 & 5 into action for this weekend and let the season play out. some of the things the analysts were saying yesterday during the game seems to point to the team, including the defense, is still behind Doug and Carson. packing it up now feels worse.

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9 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Sorry to go all Djax on everyone here. 

Anyways, if we lose out it looks like we will probably get pick 4.  Can't get into top 3 which will likely be the two stud QB's and Oregon OLineman.  Any of those three woulda been huge for us.  That tie with Cinci might end up haunting us if we lose out and miss out on one of those 3 players in the draft.

Might be in a position to trade down if teams want a qb.

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5 minutes ago, Deamon said:

One more win drops us to pick 15.  Crazy how many 4 win teams there are.  I'm still going to cheer for us while we are actually playing the games each week (Don't think I have it in me not to), but man, for everything going on right now, a top 5 pick in each round would be pretty awesome (EDT:  As long as Howie isn't making the pick)

Even pick 15 helps.  WR, OL and anywhere on defense.  You can still get a top player at that spot.

I cant see them winning another game anyway.  MAYBE Dallas but they won't win the next 3 for sure and depending on who else gets hurt by the Washington game that could be a loss too

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Just now, Balco said:

Might be in a position to trade down if teams want a qb.

The 2 top qbs are a lock to go 1-2 to the jets/jags though.  I guess if someone wants Wilson/Lance we could trade down. 

Chase would be huge for us though if we can land him.

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Just now, Bigboy10182000 said:

Even pick 15 helps.  WR, OL and anywhere on defense.  You can still get a top player at that spot.

I cant see them winning another game anyway.  MAYBE Dallas but they won't win the next 3 for sure and depending on who else gets hurt by the Washington game that could be a loss too

And that will be a game Washington likely needs badly and will ball out for.  And we may rest some guys or shut some guys down early.

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2 minutes ago, Deamon said:

And that will be a game Washington likely needs badly and will ball out for.  And we may rest some guys or shut some guys down early.

After the next 3 games we may not have a single person who hasn't quit already playing those last 2 games for a coach they know is gone

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Watching Doug's presser from this morning now.  When asked about throwing Jalen in.

"For me, would I like to get into a flow and use Jalen in a few situations, I think that's feasable, I think that's possible.  It's been productive for us"

WHAT?

 

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53 minutes ago, Deamon said:

I'm with Insein here that it's all coaching.  We've seen guys like Tannehill look awful and then look like top 10 QB's with new coaches.  Carson really needs a new coach.

We all wanna blow the team up.. which I somewhat agree with.  But I think we need to blow the offensive coaches up (Figuratively, don't ban me).

Lurie needs to fire Howie, and then tell Doug he can stay if he gets rid of every offensive coach and hands the offense over to someone new/fresh.

Agree - to be clear I don't think Carson is the major issue.  I think he's been destroyed this year by the lack of personnel around him, coaching and game plans.  To the point where he has no confidence left.  He looks broken where he's missing on everything.  But based on his entire past career, this is an anomaly for him.  He's shown in the past that he has potential to be a perennial top 10 QB in the league.  But something is going on his head right now and it was probably caused by a combination of things.

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3 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

“Doug Pederson said temporarily giving up play-calling is "on the table" -- we've never heard that from him before -- but doesn't feel like he is in a rut right now, suggesting it's not imminent.”

Which means he’ll be stripped of the duties in the next week

Just watched this part too.  Said he takes pride and loves play calling... and that if he was in a rut he might give them up for a quarter or a half. 

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Hell - to close out the end of last year, Carson was playing like one of the best QBs in football with a bunch of scrubs around him.  What happened with the coaching between then and now?

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3 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Agree - to be clear I don't think Carson is the major issue.  I think he's been destroyed this year by the lack of personnel around him, coaching and game plans.  To the point where he has no confidence left.  He looks broken where he's missing on everything.  But based on his entire past career, this is an anomaly for him.  He's shown in the past that he has potential to be a perennial top 10 QB in the league.  But something is going on his head right now and it was probably caused by a combination of things.

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