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*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Humanity will never recover from the most horrible event to happen in the last 100 years: Doug Pederson pla (2 Viewers)
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Bigboy10182000
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Jets, Jags, Lions off the top of my head have been bad like this for years.
This is new for us but we could all see it coming. It can be corrected and we have some nice pieces but I have no faith the current GM can draft or the current HC can scheme and motivate.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Carson Wentz wasn’t good enough tonight
-Sanders had 8 touches-only 6 runs. INEXCUSABLE
-Wentz was taken out of pocket 1 time. INEXCUSABLE
-QB led team in rushing
-the OL gave up 6 sacks
-a multitude of drops
-0 creativity
-0 winners outside
-terrible game management
Something I’ve learned over the last 5+ years or so and it’s as important as anything when it comes to QB development and coaching IMO
NEVER. EVER. EVER....Make the QB not trust his eyes or take his stinger away.
A player doesn’t do that-coaching does.
Thats from Dan Orlovsky
-Sanders had 8 touches-only 6 runs. INEXCUSABLE
-Wentz was taken out of pocket 1 time. INEXCUSABLE
-QB led team in rushing
-the OL gave up 6 sacks
-a multitude of drops
-0 creativity
-0 winners outside
-terrible game management
Something I’ve learned over the last 5+ years or so and it’s as important as anything when it comes to QB development and coaching IMO
NEVER. EVER. EVER....Make the QB not trust his eyes or take his stinger away.
A player doesn’t do that-coaching does.
Thats from Dan Orlovsky
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Jordan Mailata was the 2nd highest graded OT in the NFL in week 12.
He was the 5th highest graded OL overall.
If not for a toe injury for Peters he wouldn’t be playing lol
He was the 5th highest graded OL overall.
If not for a toe injury for Peters he wouldn’t be playing lol
The Noid
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Just throwing this out there:
Jadeveon Clowney : Carson Wentz :: Scott Stevens : Eric Lindros
Balco
Footballguy
From an objective observer - they need to start fresh. The window is over for them and there are 4 good first round qb prospects.
Bench wentz see what Hurts does rest of the year then cut Wentz in offseason and take astronomical cap hit - cut all bad salaries and take cap hits next couple of years. Focus on 3 year rebuild. Trade players with value like Miles Sanders.
Because this roster as currently constructed is very bad.
Bench wentz see what Hurts does rest of the year then cut Wentz in offseason and take astronomical cap hit - cut all bad salaries and take cap hits next couple of years. Focus on 3 year rebuild. Trade players with value like Miles Sanders.
Because this roster as currently constructed is very bad.
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The Noid
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And all of them, plus Houston and soon some others, will be looking to fill the same coaching and front office jobs we are. Not great timing to have all that competition while we're looking to land cream-of-the-crop talent.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Dude. This isn’t Madden
Gotta start early IMO. A Wentz/Sanders/Ertz/Goedert/Lane/Kelce with a high pick could be attractive. There’s not a lot of turnover here normally too.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
We are taking losses in each of the next 3 games. I can’t see how Doug and Howie make it out of that stretch.
modogg
Footballguy
it will be too late by then, but this is probably how it goes. would be better to do it this week, or next and put Duce in at HC for a trial run.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I don’t disagree but starting your HC and GM search prior to week 16 isn’t the worst thing.
I thought about Duce as HC but wondered who’s call plays. Him as the HC or Press Taylor? That’s why I mentioned Swartz as interim HC and Duce handling playcalling. Who knows though
jasvic
Footballguy
Look a my to-do list above. I tell Schwartz we need him at DC and to have the unit finish strong but he'll get a fair shot at HC in the offseason (spoiler alert, he won't get it). Make Staley the HC and take your pick of any of the gang of idiots as the OC and playcaller.
The Noid
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I think we're over-estimating the play-calling impact. Whether it's Doug, Duce, etc., they're all still calling plays from the ones installed for that game plan. And the game plans are at the root of the problem. It's not like Doug has a bunch of plays on his call sheet that are stellar and he keeps avoiding them. The only difference might be whether someone else calls more crappy run plays than crappy pass plays.
Insein
Footballguy
It's all going to dep nd if NYG or Wash can take hold of this division. If they're still mathematically alive, Lurie won't pull the plug
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Deep into the third quarter, Sanders had 6 carries. He finished with 6 carries. We didn't win.
Deamon
Footballguy
I'm with Insein here that it's all coaching. We've seen guys like Tannehill look awful and then look like top 10 QB's with new coaches. Carson really needs a new coach.
We all wanna blow the team up.. which I somewhat agree with. But I think we need to blow the offensive coaches up (Figuratively, don't ban me).
Lurie needs to fire Howie, and then tell Doug he can stay if he gets rid of every offensive coach and hands the offense over to someone new/fresh.
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Duce doesn't have what it takes to be HC IMO. If Doug goes, bring someone else in that is either a fresh young mind, or doesn't have any hold ups about the OC taking over the offense.
Deamon
Footballguy
Can't see the Giants doing it with Jones out for a while. Wash takes this division I think.
If they win it, I wonder if they keep "Football Team" forever
Deamon
Footballguy
Sorry to go all Djax on everyone here.
Anyways, if we lose out it looks like we will probably get pick 4. Can't get into top 3 which will likely be the two stud QB's and Oregon OLineman. Any of those three woulda been huge for us. That tie with Cinci might end up haunting us if we lose out and miss out on one of those 3 players in the draft.
Anyways, if we lose out it looks like we will probably get pick 4. Can't get into top 3 which will likely be the two stud QB's and Oregon OLineman. Any of those three woulda been huge for us. That tie with Cinci might end up haunting us if we lose out and miss out on one of those 3 players in the draft.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
We all have those moments lol
With as much as we need a top 10 pick should yield a star player and we need one at just about every position.
Deamon
Footballguy
One more win drops us to pick 15. Crazy how many 4 win teams there are. I'm still going to cheer for us while we are actually playing the games each week (Don't think I have it in me not to), but man, for everything going on right now, a top 5 pick in each round would be pretty awesome (EDT: As long as Howie isn't making the pick)
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Pigskin Fanatic
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i like this list. i think #3 would be a great start TODAY! put 3 & 5 into action for this weekend and let the season play out. some of the things the analysts were saying yesterday during the game seems to point to the team, including the defense, is still behind Doug and Carson. packing it up now feels worse.
Balco
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Even pick 15 helps. WR, OL and anywhere on defense. You can still get a top player at that spot.
I cant see them winning another game anyway. MAYBE Dallas but they won't win the next 3 for sure and depending on who else gets hurt by the Washington game that could be a loss too
Deamon
Footballguy
The 2 top qbs are a lock to go 1-2 to the jets/jags though. I guess if someone wants Wilson/Lance we could trade down.
Chase would be huge for us though if we can land him.
Deamon
Footballguy
And that will be a game Washington likely needs badly and will ball out for. And we may rest some guys or shut some guys down early.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
After the next 3 games we may not have a single person who hasn't quit already playing those last 2 games for a coach they know is gone
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Not a single lie detected. This clip is everything from what they’re saying to the looks on Howie and Lurie’s faces. “This doesn’t happen by accident. This is a number of years in the making”
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
“Doug Pederson said temporarily giving up play-calling is "on the table" -- we've never heard that from him before -- but doesn't feel like he is in a rut right now, suggesting it's not imminent.”
Which means he’ll be stripped of the duties in the next week
Which means he’ll be stripped of the duties in the next week
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Agree - to be clear I don't think Carson is the major issue. I think he's been destroyed this year by the lack of personnel around him, coaching and game plans. To the point where he has no confidence left. He looks broken where he's missing on everything. But based on his entire past career, this is an anomaly for him. He's shown in the past that he has potential to be a perennial top 10 QB in the league. But something is going on his head right now and it was probably caused by a combination of things.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Genard Avery has 0 defensive snaps in his last two games. Howie Roseman gave up a very high 2021 fourth-round pick for him.
Deamon
Footballguy
Just watched this part too. Said he takes pride and loves play calling... and that if he was in a rut he might give them up for a quarter or a half.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Hell - to close out the end of last year, Carson was playing like one of the best QBs in football with a bunch of scrubs around him. What happened with the coaching between then and now?
Deamon
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The short version is team got worse, defenses adapted and we fired coaches and elevated other ones with little to no experiance
Insein
Footballguy
Things were simplified and they were rolling Carson out of the pocket. They also leaned on the run much more then they are now. They averaged 30 carries per game in those last 4 of last year. It was just better coaching. Maybe Groh wasn't the total problem.
jasvic
Footballguy
For 5 games? I think he can handle it. If he shows something, you consider him full time, or maybe it helps his stock across the league, if he fails it helps get a higher pick.
jasvic
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
We gave first team reps to Hurts so he could get two snaps. One of which was a handoff. Good thing our starting QB is on fire and doesn’t been reps with the receivers.
Ash
Footballguy
So many plays you see 3 WRs lined up with wide splits running isolation routes against man coverage. You do this when your guys are more talented than the defenders, makes it easy for the QB to pick a matchup.
This game was the first time I noticed much use of bunch WRs which usually helps against man, didn't make much difference though.
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