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18 minutes ago, Blick said:

I’m pretty sure they know what they have in Haskins. He’s not the answer. Please just build the trenches and wait on QB for a year or two. At least they won’t be drafting a RB or TE in the first two rounds, hopefully. 

 

Agree 100%.   The Steeler should use the draft and substantial cap space they have to build a decent offensive line and get help at ILB and defensive line.   Don't bother with a QB until that is done.

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This quote by Tomlin….lmfao

he's got a dry wit, I’ll say that. 

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Mike Tomlin on Chase Claypool's suggestion they should play music and make practice more fun: 

"Claypool plays wide out and I'll let him do that. I'll formulate the practice approach and I think that division of labor is appropriate."

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4 hours ago, Blick said:

I’m pretty sure they know what they have in Haskins. He’s not the answer. Please just build the trenches and wait on QB for a year or two. At least they won’t be drafting a RB or TE in the first two rounds, hopefully. 

Yeah, they need to rebuild/strengthen the trenches, but that is what they've tried to do recently. Heyward, Alualu, and Tuitt are a very solid D-line, just not healthy and on the field. Watt and Highsmith have been great when healthy. The O-line has 2 rookies and a 2nd year player starting which is very rare and if they can improve with more experience that could turn out well, though our RT/RG situation is weak, and Green has not impressed at C so far. 

The biggest priorities IMO are ILB, SS, CB, OG, DL, and QB. I think C is a need as well, just from seeing Green get walked back into the QB or throwing the ball over the QB's head, but he could improve. DL is just because I think Tuitt is definitely gone after 1 more year, and Alualu probably is as well (both their contracts end after the 2022 season). 

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

"Claypool plays wide out and I'll let him do that. I'll formulate the practice approach and I think that division of labor is appropriate."

Ok, but what he's been doing isn't working. Our tackling is horrendous, players are often out of position, and players keep dropping passes (or throwing inaccurate passes). Claypool's suggestion might sound silly, but he's not the first player to suggest that practices need to change. 

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17 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

Ok, but what he's been doing isn't working. Our tackling is horrendous, players are often out of position, and players keep dropping passes (or throwing inaccurate passes). Claypool's suggestion might sound silly, but he's not the first player to suggest that practices need to change. 

Still a great quote tho. 

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FWIW....I'd wager Rudolph probably has wet dreams of being "mediocre." 

I think Haskins has probably shown next to zero in practices, or he'd have likely got a little bit of run(even if just a series or some scripted plays) during the game Ben missed.  Tomlin loves him his Buckeyes though, so who knows. 

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to them giving Haskins a shot over Rudolph if things go utterly sideways the next few weeks....but then remind myself it just won't matter behind that line.  He'll look bad.  Real bad. 

Hell, Ben knows what he's dealing with, regardless of the loss of arm strength, and realizes he has to get that ball out in .2 seconds and HE looks godawful behind that line.   Brady would likely be on his a$$ 8 drop backs out of 10 behind this crew.  A QB change ain't saving the disaster this O has become.  It's mostly the line.

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9 hours ago, 5-ish Finkle said:

A QB change ain't saving the disaster this O has become.  It's mostly the line.

Yes and we knew going in was going to be rough but the hope was they would get better as they developed a little chemistry and for a short time, it looked like it was, at least a bit.    Unfortunately a string of injuries (what are we down to a third or fourth string OT?), some regression and fatigue and you are now left with this mess.   

The funny thing is that as bad as they are (and they are truly awful), the biggest problem now is the defensive line and inside linebacker play.   When you can't stop the run, can't generate pressure and can't cover there isn't a whole lot you can do.

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18 hours ago, steelers1080 said:

Ok, but what he's been doing isn't working. Our tackling is horrendous, players are often out of position, and players keep dropping passes (or throwing inaccurate passes). Claypool's suggestion might sound silly, but he's not the first player to suggest that practices need to change. 

 

Minkah and Heyward are not suggesting that they play music.  Seems like they are suggesting the opposite.

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21 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

Claypool's comments came off to me as, "Yeah, we're soft... but I think we can be even softer"

And Tomlin's comments came off as "Get off my lawn!"...

Players like Juju and Claypool are going to be more common, not less common, as time goes on. Players that care about their social media presence and want football to be enjoyable. Players like Heyward, Minkah, and Watt who take the game seriously and have the traditional Steelers attitude will likely become more rare as new draft classes join the NFL.

Dismissing players while belittling them, or blaming them for a losing streak (Juju dancing last year) is not going to be a path toward success. The coach might not relate with how they handle things or their view points, but a coach should adapt and be able to mold all the different personalities into a successful team. IMO old school thinking will probably alienate some younger players. 

The idea that music could turn this team into a winning team is dumb, but brushing off ideas and belittling suggestions is a great way to stagnate. The team is losing and looks terrible, Tomlin should be taking suggestions because the current state is untenable. Why not use music to simulate crowd noise/distractions during two minute drills in practice? There's ways his weird suggestion could have been turned into something positive instead of my way or the highway. 

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49 minutes ago, steelers1080 said:

And Tomlin's comments came off as "Get off my lawn!"...

Players like Juju and Claypool are going to be more common, not less common, as time goes on. Players that care about their social media presence and want football to be enjoyable. Players like Heyward, Minkah, and Watt who take the game seriously and have the traditional Steelers attitude will likely become more rare as new draft classes join the NFL.

Dismissing players while belittling them, or blaming them for a losing streak (Juju dancing last year) is not going to be a path toward success. The coach might not relate with how they handle things or their view points, but a coach should adapt and be able to mold all the different personalities into a successful team. IMO old school thinking will probably alienate some younger players. 

The idea that music could turn this team into a winning team is dumb, but brushing off ideas and belittling suggestions is a great way to stagnate. The team is losing and looks terrible, Tomlin should be taking suggestions because the current state is untenable. Why not use music to simulate crowd noise/distractions during two minute drills in practice? There's ways his weird suggestion could have been turned into something positive instead of my way or the highway. 

 

If Claypool thinks practice could be enhanced by music and dancing... maybe save that BS for media day prior to the Super Bowl when goofiness is embraced, or while you team is WINNING. That is not a thing to discuss coming off a 41-10 sweeping from a divisional opponent.

Next you will have players fighting over the playlist. Why not make it part of the routine... it will be fun... instead of film study, maybe take two hours to come with a playlist that can be inspiring and unoffensive for all. And don't forget the dancing... very important as well because even though this is your JOB, it should also be FUN.

 

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42 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

If Claypool thinks practice could be enhanced by music and dancing... maybe save that BS for media day prior to the Super Bowl when goofiness is embraced, or while you team is WINNING. That is not a thing to discuss coming off a 41-10 sweeping from a divisional opponent.

Next you will have players fighting over the playlist. Why not make it part of the routine... it will be fun... instead of film study, maybe take two hours to come with a playlist that can be inspiring and unoffensive for all. And don't forget the dancing... very important as well because even though this is your JOB, it should also be FUN.

They play a game for a living lol. It's their job and they work very hard, but it's not weird to think their work experience might be different from a regular person. An article from 2014 said that 16 teams use music during practice so it's not like it's some crazy suggestion to add music. Also, I work a desk job and plenty of my coworkers listen to music while they work at their JOB. 

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2 hours ago, steelers1080 said:

Also, I work a desk job and plenty of my coworkers listen to music while they work at their JOB. 

 

Interesting, so everyone in your company listens to the same music while you're working and that makes you all more productive?

There must be someone annoyed by the selection of music, or that there is music at all, no?

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The Steelers activated receiver Ray-Ray McCloud from the Reserve/COVID List on Wednesday. McCloud was placed on the list on Nov. 23.

Offensive lineman Joe Haeg was placed on the Reserve/COVID List. Haeg has played in eight games this season, starting one.

JT Watt was placed on the Reserve/COVID List on Monday, making his participation in Week 13's game against the Ravens  very doubtful.

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1 hour ago, Godsbrother said:

The Steelers activated receiver Ray-Ray McCloud from the Reserve/COVID List on Wednesday. McCloud was placed on the list on Nov. 23.

Offensive lineman Joe Haeg was placed on the Reserve/COVID List. Haeg has played in eight games this season, starting one.

JT Watt was placed on the Reserve/COVID List on Monday, making his participation in Week 13's game against the Ravens  very doubtful.

 

Haeg getting COVID could potentially save our comp pick! 

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It's not COVID or bad luck this year. It's not any one player's fault or one unit's fault either.

The team isn't very good. It never was, and and never was going to be in 2021.

A stationary, limited QB behind a young and crappy offensive line was never going to lead to a lot points being scored or sustained drives, and while the defensive line would've been better if healthy, the linebackers are bad and the secondary isn't good enough if the front seven doesn't generate pressure. There's no quality depth either.

And while Tomlin will always have his supporters because of his early coaching career run with Cowher's core of talent, he's better at giving headline quotes than he is at in-game decision making. His name is way better than his performance. He's still the coach who's had little playoff success for a decade despite plenty of talent and a HOF QB, and is about to miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years. The last two times they've been to the playoffs since 2016, it's been two embarrassing home losses while giving up over 90 points, but at least we don't have to worry about that happening this year... it's time to admit that the product the Steelers are running out there right now is getting embarrassing and there needs to be some accountability for why.

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15 hours ago, Steelers4Life said:

It's not COVID or bad luck this year. It's not any one player's fault or one unit's fault either.

The team isn't very good. It never was, and and never was going to be in 2021.

A stationary, limited QB behind a young and crappy offensive line was never going to lead to a lot points being scored or sustained drives, and while the defensive line would've been better if healthy, the linebackers are bad and the secondary isn't good enough if the front seven doesn't generate pressure. There's no quality depth either.

And while Tomlin will always have his supporters because of his early coaching career run with Cowher's core of talent, he's better at giving headline quotes than he is at in-game decision making. His name is way better than his performance. He's still the coach who's had little playoff success for a decade despite plenty of talent and a HOF QB, and is about to miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years. The last two times they've been to the playoffs since 2016, it's been two embarrassing home losses while giving up over 90 points, but at least we don't have to worry about that happening this year... it's time to admit that the product the Steelers are running out there right now is getting embarrassing and there needs to be some accountability for why.

 

They are starting 4 rookies on Offense and have had to pillage practice squads on defense all season. 

Edmonds is a bust.  Bush is not fully recovered from his ACL. Watt has been in and out of the lineup and we gave up OLB depth.  Haden has been out and not as good.  They really miss Mike Hilton.  D-Line is decimated and can't keep blockers off of the LBs.  Vince Williams retiring hurt the run stopping -- it was not replaced.

The Defense was supposed to carry this team, and they are getting destroyed and are thin everywhere right now.

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1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Bush is not fully recovered from his ACL. 

I saw an article recently that ILBs with torn ACLs usually never recover to what they once were. Kwon Alexander is one of the recent examples, but also Jaylon Smith. Both were amazing talents and post-ACL have been mediocre at best. Bush didn't have great football instincts, but he was able to make up for some of that by being lightning fast, which he no longer is. Hopefully within the next 2-3 drafts and free agency periods we can replace both ILBs, SS, DL, NT, CB because unfortunately we'll need new pieces there in short order. 

We have a great OLB, great FS with 1 year left on contract, great DL who is over 30, great WR who sometimes has the drops and only 1 year left on contract, and some potentially solid rookies. It's going to be a rough couple years rebuilding unless we somehow luck into a great QB who can hide all the weaknesses while the team retools. At this point, I think even if we had a great QB, they would be hard pressed to overcome all the other weaknesses (and stay healthy behind our line). 

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5 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

 

They are starting 4 rookies on Offense and have had to pillage practice squads on defense all season. 

Edmonds is a bust.  Bush is not fully recovered from his ACL. Watt has been in and out of the lineup and we gave up OLB depth.  Haden has been out and not as good.  They really miss Mike Hilton.  D-Line is decimated and can't keep blockers off of the LBs.  Vince Williams retiring hurt the run stopping -- it was not replaced.

The Defense was supposed to carry this team, and they are getting destroyed and are thin everywhere right now.

Yep. The offense was always going to be limited by poor OL play and Ben's limitations. That's certainly not unexpected.

Sure, the defense could've been better if healthy. But in the end, aside from Watt, Heyward, and Minka, the defense lacks both playmakers and quality depth, and it's too much to expect those three to overcome deficiencies everywhere else every week. 

This defense was never going to be good enough to carry this team as a contender and the coaching is nowhere near good enough to overcome an overall lack of talent. I think some people expect them to be good and improve just because it's the Steelers. But this team isn't good, isn't deep, and isn't particularly close to fixing either of those issues. I expect more of the same moving forward, and I expect Tomlin to continue provide his headline making quotes while botching in-game decisions and living off of successes that are becoming a distant memory. The more the roster has turned over since 2010, the less successful he's been.

Not optimistic at all about the next few years at least.

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On 12/1/2021 at 1:11 PM, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Yeah, but have you seen the Ravens RBs? 👀

L. Jackson is going to run wild on the Steelers - over 100 yards for sure.  The only way the Steelers can limit Lamar is by forcing him to hand off on option plays by overplaying him.  Otherwise, he's going to smash them.  In addition to not playing very well, and tackling poorly, the Steelers are decimated by injuries.

I just looked it up and the most rushing yards in a game by a QB is 173 yards... he could break that record.  Someone named Godwin Igwebuike (DET RB) had a 42 yard rushing TD against the Steelers. 

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  • Godsbrother changed the title to 2021 Pittsburgh Steelers - Haden out, Freiermuth in, Heyward ?, Watt tests negative
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On 11/26/2021 at 4:08 PM, TampaMike19 said:

Firing up this fantasy d. Bengals overrated team snd Ben’s shown improvement 

Well, I was way wrong on their D last week. But this week it looks a bit better that the "bengals are overrated." They blew their load so bad against the Steelers that they just flat out sucked today

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  • Godsbrother changed the title to 2021 Pittsburgh Steelers - Getting ready for Vikings on a short week

The prediction is alive and well! (aside from the half-win against the Lions) Called a sweep against the Ravens and 4 wins in the last 8 games. We got owned by the Bengals and lost to the Chargers, but we can definitely beat the Ravens again since they just lost Humphrey, the Browns have looked terrible, the Vikings just lost to the Lions, the Titans are down their top WRs and RB, and the Chiefs have looked mediocre most weeks. It's not inconceivable that we could win 3 of our last 5 games. That puts us at 9-7-1 which may or may not be good enough to make the playoffs. It doesn't look like it will be good enough, but TBD. We could go 4-1, but if we played like we did against the Bengals we could go 0-5. 

We need to keep dialing up blitzes to keep teams from having time to pick apart our linebackers and secondary. When we stopped blitzing on the Ravens final drive they were able to get chunk plays because our secondary couldn't maintain coverage. High hopes for next week. 

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1 hour ago, steelers1080 said:

The prediction is alive and well! (aside from the half-win against the Lions) Called a sweep against the Ravens and 4 wins in the last 8 games. We got owned by the Bengals and lost to the Chargers, but we can definitely beat the Ravens again since they just lost Humphrey, the Browns have looked terrible, the Vikings just lost to the Lions, the Titans are down their top WRs and RB, and the Chiefs have looked mediocre most weeks. It's not inconceivable that we could win 3 of our last 5 games. That puts us at 9-7-1 which may or may not be good enough to make the playoffs. It doesn't look like it will be good enough, but TBD. We could go 4-1, but if we played like we did against the Bengals we could go 0-5. 

We need to keep dialing up blitzes to keep teams from having time to pick apart our linebackers and secondary. When we stopped blitzing on the Ravens final drive they were able to get chunk plays because our secondary couldn't maintain coverage. High hopes for next week. 

I love the optimism but going on the road to play the Vikings on a short week is not going to be easy.  

The Titans, even though at home, is not going to be a walk in the park and then you have to go play the Chiefs the day after Christmas.   

I see the Steelers at 7-7-1 after week 16 and requiring a sweep of the Browns (@home) and Ravens (away) to make the playoffs.   

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13 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

I love the optimism but going on the road to play the Vikings on a short week is not going to be easy.  

The Titans, even though at home, is not going to be a walk in the park and then you have to go play the Chiefs the day after Christmas.   

I see the Steelers at 7-7-1 after week 16 and requiring a sweep of the Browns (@home) and Ravens (away) to make the playoffs.   

I see pretty much the same, and don't put too much stock into beating a division rival who have been living on the edge all season. Lamar was his usual overrated, and inconsistent self. We can thank him and TJ, plus a valiant effort by Ben, for yesterday's 1 point win. 

Facing the Vikings on a short week is not good at all. Their offense is good, even without Thielen.

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4 hours ago, steelers1080 said:

but we can definitely beat the Ravens again since they just lost Humphrey, the Browns have looked terrible, the Vikings just lost to the Lions, the Titans are down their top WRs and RB, and the Chiefs have looked mediocre most weeks.

Funny, I'd bet that the fans of those teams are saying that the matchup against the Steelers should be a very, very winnable game... especially the Vikings at home on a short week. 

They scraped by to get an ugly win vs Baltimore, but it wasn't a performance that should make anyone look at those matchups as anything better than tossups at best. I don't think the Steelers will be favored in any of them, and I think the Steelers will be fortunate to win 2 of those 5. I hope I'm wrong, because I want Ben to go out on a higher note than that.

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8 hours ago, Steelers4Life said:

Funny, I'd bet that the fans of those teams are saying that the matchup against the Steelers should be a very, very winnable game... especially the Vikings at home on a short week

No MN fan is saying that. The attitude here in MN is pretty poor these days, so we don't take anything for granted with this team. 

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16 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So, do we think Witherspoon showed enough to stay on the field when Haden is back?  Move Sutton to slot in nickel?

Or did he just have a few good plays, but Lamar and pressure allowed for some missed blown coverages?

Anything to take snaps away from Pierre and Layne, I am all for.

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So it looks like BJ Finney is probably not going to play on a short week.  Third-stringer John Leglue came in for Finney against the Ravens and I guess will get the start.   

Currently the only backup lineman they have is Zach Banner so they'll need to activate someone from the practice squad unless Joe Haeg gets activated from Covid list.

 

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2 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

So it looks like BJ Finney is probably not going to play on a short week.  Third-stringer John Leglue came in for Finney against the Ravens and I guess will get the start.   

Currently the only backup lineman they have is Zach Banner so they'll need to activate someone from the practice squad unless Joe Haeg gets activated from Covid list.

 

Coward is still on the practice squad, right?

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