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A few months back we discussed Vitamin D and Zinc in this thread, along with other supplements. I've been taking each daily just in case, along with a good multi-vitamin and occasionally drinking an Emergen-C packet as well. Anyone else taking these supplements or any others to help with their immune system?

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Not to derail anything, but we had our baby last night! She's doing amazingly well. Due to the hospital's pandemic policies, I had to leave her right after my wife was released from recovery. I can't

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18 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

A few months back we discussed Vitamin D and Zinc in this thread, along with other supplements. I've been taking each daily just in case, along with a good multi-vitamin and occasionally drinking an Emergen-C packet as well. Anyone else taking these supplements or any others to help with their immune system?

Yes, I take daily supplement with vitamins C & D and Zinc. No guarantee it helps, but it is absolutely harmless and so easy it's a no brainer.

I also try to get out in the sunshine shirtless whenever possble, scaring local wildlife and blinding passing pilots.  Nothing like producing your own vitamin D.  I'm in South Louisiana, so this is possible in winter (not every day).

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46 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

CDC Says Double-Masking Offers More Protection Against The Coronavirus

Double-masking seems to be gaining more traction among experts.

See, in that article, several times they also approve of single masks that have double layers of fabric.

That's what's a bit confusing. So far as I can tell, the double-fabric masks that our family friend has been making for us should be A-OK even with the new double-masking guidelines. My wife and daughter, on the other hand, insist that a surgical mask MUST be worn under any cloth mask, regardless of how that cloth mask is constructed.

The material our friend uses to make our double-layer masks is cotton-polyester blend and is a lot like the fabric that chinos or Dockers-type pants are made of. That type of fabric, in two layers. Should be fine, I would think.

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57 minutes ago, 3 hour lunch said:

Disappointing vaccine numbers this week, unless reporting is delayed? 

Mondays and Tuesdays have the lowest totals (at least on Bloomberg's tracker), probably reflecting weekend numbers.  We just went over 1.5 million per day on the 7-day average, which is a new high.  This week's Monday and Tuesday numbers are actually quite a bit higher than last week's.  Also hit our first 2 million dose day last week (2/6).  Overall trend is still good.  

 

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17 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

As long as they dont make it a requirement. I go out with bare minimum approved KN95 and often an N95. Will be annoyed if I have to add another mask. 

Yeah, we have trouble getting people to wear ONE mask, much less a double. I have low hopes that many will wear two. 

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2 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

CDC Says Double-Masking Offers More Protection Against The Coronavirus

Double-masking seems to be gaining more traction among experts.

It is all about tightening the seal.  The surgical masks are loose fitting and the cloth masks don't offer much protection.  But you combine them and you have a multi-layer mask with a better seal.  Apparently 92% effective -- close to an N95??

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2 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

It is all about tightening the seal.  The surgical masks are loose fitting and the cloth masks don't offer much protection.  But you combine them and you have a multi-layer mask with a better seal.  Apparently 92% effective -- close to an N95??

My favorite was the study that showed wearing pantyhose over a surgical mask was the most effective a while back. Like straight up movie 7-11 robbery style. 

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1 hour ago, humpback said:

No urgency here or anything, take your time folks.

It's actually almost the same time frame as the other vaccines.  20ish days for independent analysis of the data 

 

It took 21 days from the time Pfizer and BioNTech filed for authorization for the vaccine to get the green light from the FDA. Agency experts worked in shifts, on nights and weekends, to crank through the data as thoroughly and quickly as possible, Hahn told The Wall Street Journal in December.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

As long as they dont make it a requirement. I go out with bare minimum approved KN95 and often an N95. Will be annoyed if I have to add another mask. 

My wife is on the double mask kick even after I explained to here we don't have plain cloth masks

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5 minutes ago, belljr said:

It's actually almost the same time frame as the other vaccines.  20ish days for independent analysis of the data 

 

It took 21 days from the time Pfizer and BioNTech filed for authorization for the vaccine to get the green light from the FDA. Agency experts worked in shifts, on nights and weekends, to crank through the data as thoroughly and quickly as possible, Hahn told The Wall Street Journal in December.

I know, it was too long then as well. It was a forgone conclusion that they would pass, it shouldn't take so long to get approval.

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2 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

CDC Says Double-Masking Offers More Protection Against The Coronavirus

Double-masking seems to be gaining more traction among experts.

As long as they dont make it a requirement. I go out with bare minimum approved KN95 and often an N95. Will be annoyed if I have to add another mask. 

The article says that the CDC's revised guidance is specific about excepting KN95/N95 masks (and equivalent). Those should be worn alone.

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16 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

A few months back we discussed Vitamin D and Zinc in this thread, along with other supplements. I've been taking each daily just in case, along with a good multi-vitamin and occasionally drinking an Emergen-C packet as well. Anyone else taking these supplements or any others to help with their immune system?

I have been taking all daily. Haven't had Covid. No idea if related but likely not. Easy to take just in case though. 

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Got Moderna jab 2 yesterday at 3pm. Keeping a running "diary" of sorts for kicks... here it is: 

 

3PM:
2ND Moderna Injection in left arm

More pain (4/10) than 1st shot (1/10) during injection. Sharp pain with burn. Went away almost immediately after. 

 

3HR drive home:
No symptoms at all. 0/10 arm pain. 

 

6PM:
Arrived home. Took 1000mg Tylenol. Cooked dinner. No symptoms. 0/10 arm pain. 

 

7:15pm:
no symptoms. Not even arm pain 

 

9:30pm:
no symptoms. Took 3mg melatonin. 

 

10:30pm:
no symptoms (maybe tiny bit disoriented but that's likely melatonin/being tired). Took 1000mg Tylenol + 35mg Doxylamine Succinate. 

 

11:00pm:
bedtime. Did I maybe feel a tiny bit of nausea as I was drifting off or was it just in my head? 

 

12:30am:
woke briefly. No symptoms other than slight arm pain (2/10). Rolled over and slept on arm to see if I could. No problem. 

 

2:30am: 
woke briefly. No symptoms other than 2/10 arm pain. 

 

5:30: 
woke to use restroom (drank a lot of water). Still very mild 2/10 arm pain. Took 1000mg Tylenol and going back to bed. 

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19 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

A few months back we discussed Vitamin D and Zinc in this thread, along with other supplements. I've been taking each daily just in case, along with a good multi-vitamin and occasionally drinking an Emergen-C packet as well. Anyone else taking these supplements or any others to help with their immune system?

Yea still taking D & C along with my multi-vitamin. Why not other than added expense? I'm all about attacking this through health as much as possible.

19 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

CDC Says Double-Masking Offers More Protection Against The Coronavirus

Double-masking seems to be gaining more traction among experts.

I get it, just getting tired of the constant moving of the goalposts. Double masks work better than single masks, what about triple masks? Surely that will be 3 times as much protection!!!

How about you wear the ####### mask over your mouth and nose, tight, as they are supposed to be worn? So tired of the chinstrap crowd. I've been wearing a surgical mask from day one, tight around my face and nose. Have tested it with a candle (trying to blow it out) so I feel like I'm good. It's not that hard to fit a mask properly.

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Can someone explain the new CDC guidance that those who are vaccinated do not need to quarantine after exposure so long as they meet certain timing metrics? Even in the guidance, CDC acknowledges transmissibility by those vaccinated remains "uncertain." CDC goes on to say "The CDC said quarantine recommendations for vaccinated people will be updated when more data are available, or when more vaccines have been authorized."

Intuitively, guidance like this would follow the science and 'no need to quarantine' would suggest they are not any more a risk to transmit than anyone else who has unknown exposure?  

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6 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

Yea still taking D & C along with my multi-vitamin. Why not other than added expense? I'm all about attacking this through health as much as possible.

I get it, just getting tired of the constant moving of the goalposts. Double masks work better than single masks, what about triple masks? Surely that will be 3 times as much protection!!!

How about you wear the ####### mask over your mouth and nose, tight, as they are supposed to be worn? So tired of the chinstrap crowd. I've been wearing a surgical mask from day one, tight around my face and nose. Have tested it with a candle (trying to blow it out) so I feel like I'm good. It's not that hard to fit a mask properly.

"New CDC study shows that 5 masks offer more protection against COVID-19!"

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9 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

I get it, just getting tired of the constant moving of the goalposts. Double masks work better than single masks, what about triple masks? Surely that will be 3 times as much protection!!!

Same here. I've been taking the pandemic 100% seriously ... but this sudden call for double-masking just feels like something that's trendy, not grounded in epidemiological statistics.

I know the CDC has now updated their guidance regarding double-masking. But we know know that some folks in charge of health guidance like to kind of ... I don't know how to phrase it ... couch their guidance in over-reaching foolproof terms? The idea is to get even people who are looking to skirt the rules (e.g. people who were wearing stretched-out single-layer sheer gaiters last summer and calling that good) to reach sufficient compliance despite themselves.

Anyway, my family last night went to visit my sister-in-laws family in their home. They're a lot looser with COVID protocols than we are, so we all double masked. My wife and two kids did the surgical mask under a double-layer heavy cloth mask (think chino-pants material, doubled) while I wore two double-layer heavy cloth masks. Double-masking seems to generally take care of the mask-gaps issue that seems common with many surgical masks and ill-fitting cloth masks -- so in that sense, wearing a second mask to "tighten things up" can be a good thing. On the other hand, a well-fitted double-layer mask should be A-OK by itself (per the new CDC guidelines) ... but many people are interpreting "double-masking" as "always wearing two masks no matter how they're made or how they fit".

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26 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

"New CDC study shows that 5 masks offer more protection against COVID-19!"

Wait until they recommend cotton balls in the nostrils or just cutting the damn thing off.

We might also see a run on clothespins

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5 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Double-masking seems to generally take care of the mask-gaps issue that seems common with many surgical masks and ill-fitting cloth masks -- so in that sense, wearing a second mask to "tighten things up" can be a good thing. On the other hand, a well-fitted double-layer mask should be A-OK by itself (per the new CDC guidelines) ... but many people are interpreting "double-masking" as "always wearing two masks no matter how they're made or how they fit".

I honestly haven't been paying too much attention to the double mask movement, but this is what annoys me about what I have seen.  If the problem is that people are wearing crappy masks in a crappy fashion, then fix that problem rather than telling people to double up.

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6 minutes ago, Dr_Zaius said:

I honestly haven't been paying too much attention to the double mask movement, but this is what annoys me about what I have seen.  If the problem is that people are wearing crappy masks in a crappy fashion, then fix that problem rather than telling people to double up.

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1 minute ago, Dr_Zaius said:

I honestly haven't been paying too much attention to the double mask movement, but this is what annoys me about what I have seen.  If the problem is that people are wearing crappy masks in a crappy fashion, then fix that problem rather than telling people to double up.

Right on. Here's the actual title of the CDC's new guidance:

Maximizing Fit for Cloth and Medical Procedure Masks to Improve Performance and Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Exposure, 2021

After reading through the specifics of the guidance ... the "maximizing fit" part is the crucial bit. Not "wearing two masks". Double-masking is presented as simply one of several means to an end. Other recommended fit-improvements include:

  • Tying the loops of surgical masks a certain way to reduce air gaps (see picture C here), then tucking in any loose fabric to create an even better seal. This can also be done with many types of cloth masks. Note that this is still wearing a single mask, just with care taken to close in the common side gaps.
  • Wearing a plastic mask fitter over your surgical or cloth mask.
  • Wearing a neck gaiter -- even a thin single-layer nylon one is sufficient -- over a surgical or cloth mask.



 

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27 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Same here. I've been taking the pandemic 100% seriously ... but this sudden call for double-masking just feels like something that's trendy, not grounded in epidemiological statistics.

I know the CDC has now updated their guidance regarding double-masking. But we know know that some folks in charge of health guidance like to kind of ... I don't know how to phrase it ... couch their guidance in over-reaching foolproof terms? The idea is to get even people who are looking to skirt the rules (e.g. people who were wearing stretched-out single-layer sheer gaiters last summer and calling that good) to reach sufficient compliance despite themselves.

Anyway, my family last night went to visit my sister-in-laws family in their home. They're a lot looser with COVID protocols than we are, so we all double masked. My wife and two kids did the surgical mask under a double-layer heavy cloth mask (think chino-pants material, doubled) while I wore two double-layer heavy cloth masks. Double-masking seems to generally take care of the mask-gaps issue that seems common with many surgical masks and ill-fitting cloth masks -- so in that sense, wearing a second mask to "tighten things up" can be a good thing. On the other hand, a well-fitted double-layer mask should be A-OK by itself (per the new CDC guidelines) ... but many people are interpreting "double-masking" as "always wearing two masks no matter how they're made or how they fit".

Wait, are you saying your family wore double mask while inside visiting your in laws?  We wear a mask everywhere in public but while at home or visiting family we don't wear a mask.

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4 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

Wait, are you saying your family wore double mask while inside visiting your in laws?  We wear a mask everywhere in public but while at home or visiting family we don't wear a mask.

Sister-in-law's house, but yes -- no non-household family is in our bubble. 

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1 hour ago, Gilroy34 said:

Wait, are you saying your family wore double mask while inside visiting your in laws?  We wear a mask everywhere in public but while at home or visiting family we don't wear a mask.

 

5 minutes ago, belljr said:

We wore masks at my sister's house.

She also has a heart condition so we are extra careful

We don't wear masks when we visit family or friends but we also know there are risks involved. Everyone is comfortable with those risks.

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1 hour ago, Gilroy34 said:

Wait, are you saying your family wore double mask while inside visiting your in laws?  We wear a mask everywhere in public but while at home or visiting family we don't wear a mask.

A family member is how I caught covid and is how much of the spread happens. You let your guard down when you feel you can trust someone.

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My wife's ER and ICU team has been using double masks since the beginning.  It was done to save N95s for reuse.  N95 on the inside, surgical mask on the outside.    

She never got sick, and no one at her work has gotten covid at work.  The few who got it, got it from a wedding, funeral, family gathering etc. where no one was wearing masks.  Always seemed obvious to me that masks work and the problem is there are too many times people don't wear masks.  Double masking at the Home Depot doesn't really help if you go maskless during a Super Bowl party.

Its weird to me that people are willing to wear a mask at the store - protecting strangers and yourself, but not in situations that would protect loved ones.  That seems like a bigger deal than doubling up, even if doubling up helps too.

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1 hour ago, Gilroy34 said:

Wait, are you saying your family wore double mask while inside visiting your in laws?  We wear a mask everywhere in public but while at home or visiting family we don't wear a mask.

A family member is how I caught covid and is how much of the spread happens. You let your guard down when you feel you can trust someone.

We've had one other household in our "safe" bubble: one family-friends household has three Type-1 diabetics living under one roof, all obese (two parents and one 12-year-old). In addition, the dad is a heart patient that's survived two aortic dissections. They have been very personally invested in avoiding COVID -- with one recent exception (see below).

We visited them in their home last summer & fall. We wore masks in their house, but removed them to eat & drink. We kept socially-distanced both indoors and outside (in their backyard & pool area).

After Christmas break, the "safe" household sent their kids back to in-person school (around here, families can choose in-person or virtual). Like many things, a calculated risk and a decision that they felt was best for that family. But it changes our calculus re: visiting their house -- we won't be able to visit with them indoors again until we've all been vaccinated.

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25 minutes ago, Willy said:

Its weird to me that people are willing to wear a mask at the store - protecting strangers and yourself, but not in situations that would protect loved ones.  That seems like a bigger deal than doubling up, even if doubling up helps too.

I actually think it's generally much safer to visit a big-box store (esp the really spacious ones like Home Depot, Best, Buy, WalMart, etc.) unmasked than it is to visit family/friends' home unmasked. For one thing, I've found it a lot easier and less weird/awkward to maintain sufficient personal space in a big-box store (assuming no mad-rush Black-Friday-type crowds).

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54 minutes ago, jobarules said:

We don't wear masks when we visit family or friends but we also know there are risks involved. Everyone is comfortable with those risks.

Not accusing, just curious:

a) Has anyone kind of dropped out of your friends/family circle temporarily due to the pandemic? If so, are their personal risk calculations understood, or kind of secretly disrespected (though no one would make an issue of it)?

b) Have you seen or noticed anything that made you suspect someone in your family/friend group would have been more comfortable masked, distanced, or even absent ... but that they felt social pressure to be present at some event or another? Or does it seem clear that any family/friends with doubts have, indeed, followed through on their doubts and have remained away or masked?

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2 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Not accusing, just curious:

a) Has anyone kind of dropped out of your friends/family circle temporarily due to the pandemic? If so, are their personal risk calculations understood, or kind of secretly disrespected (though no one would make an issue of it)?

No, I am being 100% honest here that every single family member and friend feels EXACTLY the same way we do. Most think the pandemic is overhyped BS and are justaflu people.  I know its not the flu but I do think some of the panic is way overhyped (doubling up on masks, closing air intake vents, wiping down groceries, baking mail, keeping children isolated for months on end). I find those things ridiculous.

b) Have you seen or noticed anything that made you suspect someone in your family/friend group would have been more comfortable masked, distanced, or even absent ... but that they felt social pressure to be present at some event or another? Or does it seem clear that any family/friends with doubts have, indeed, followed through on their doubts and have remained away or masked?

No

In the summer, we kept all gatherings to outdoors. Since then we have not had any indoor gatherings except small ones (Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, even went to AC and hung out in the rooms and drank without masks because drink service shut down after 10pm). These gatherings were generally limited to 10 people. Now keep in mind, that we were invited to an indoor wedding in October with around 100 guests that I was hesitant to goto. We ended up canceling because my wife tested positive for COVID right before.

We are all in our 40s and generally good health. Keep in mind, my wife did catch COVID at Thanksgiving from her brother's fiancee. Nobody else caught it. We followed CDC protocols and quarantined for 10 days. Everyone was fine. 

Living in isolation, masked up for a year plus is no way to live. We are all willing to deal with the risks. 

I am not saying that we are throwing caution to the wind either. We wear masks in stores 100% of the time and avoid large indoor gatherings. But we are trying to live our lives the best we can too. 

Also, everyone I know refuse to get the vaccine except for me, my father, and my teacher SIL.

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1 hour ago, jobarules said:

I know its not the flu but I do think some of the panic is way overhyped (doubling up on masks, closing air intake vents, wiping down groceries, baking mail, keeping children isolated for months on end). I find those things ridiculous.

The closing of intake vents is legit -- it's a way to automatically maintain ongoing exchange of outdoor air for inside air in an air-conditioned space. In some homes and buildings, the HVAC system itself can be adjusted to let in some outdoor air and take away indoor air as it runs -- otherwise, you gotta open a window and tape up a vent.

FWIW, hospitals that have converted regular patient rooms to COVID ICUs have jury-rigged the rooms with outside venting and air scrubbers, basically accomplishing the same thing. Otherwise, COVID-laden aerosols escape the patients' rooms and permeate the hallways.

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On 2/10/2021 at 2:01 PM, Grace Under Pressure said:

A few months back we discussed Vitamin D and Zinc in this thread, along with other supplements. I've been taking each daily just in case, along with a good multi-vitamin and occasionally drinking an Emergen-C packet as well. Anyone else taking these supplements or any others to help with their immune system?

I started taking C, D and zinc after testing positive for Covid in December.   I have been vitamin D deficient for years but never keep up with the pills.   Have wondered if my vitamin D deficiency made more susceptible to Covid.  Like most, I know a lot of people that have had or have Covid and not sure of their vitamin D status. 

On another note, my brother and best friend have it now but have very mild cases, fortunately.   Both have symptoms resembling that of colds, but my bro did lose his sense of taste and smell.   Be nice if cases head towards the mild side for everyone.

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4 hours ago, BigJim® said:

Can someone explain the new CDC guidance that those who are vaccinated do not need to quarantine after exposure so long as they meet certain timing metrics? Even in the guidance, CDC acknowledges transmissibility by those vaccinated remains "uncertain." CDC goes on to say "The CDC said quarantine recommendations for vaccinated people will be updated when more data are available, or when more vaccines have been authorized."

Intuitively, guidance like this would follow the science and 'no need to quarantine' would suggest they are not any more a risk to transmit than anyone else who has unknown exposure?  

I'm curious about this as well.  I know someone who got their second shot yesterday, and he says he was told by the doctor that if he did get the virus, he would not need to quarantine.  Makes no sense to me.  

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1 minute ago, Doug B said:

The closing of intake vents is legit -- it's a way to automatically maintain ongoing exchange of outdoor air for inside air in an air-conditioned space. In some homes and buildings, the HVAC system itself can be adjusted to let in some outdoor air and take away indoor air as it runs -- otherwise, you gotta open a window and tape up a vent.

FWIW, hospitals that have converted regular patient rooms to COVID ICUs have jury-rigged the rooms with outside venting and air scrubbers, basically accomplishing the same thing. Otherwise, COVID-laden aerosols escape the patients' rooms and permeate the hallways.

Not saying they are not legit. Just saying if a family member gets sick, CDC recommends them isolating in their room. I dont think CDC recommends also sealing and taping up any air intake vents in that room. I just think people in this thread tend to take things to the extreme. Heck, if I locked myself in a bubble like the bubble boy for a year I can pretty much guarantee I wont get COVID.

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1 hour ago, jobarules said:

Also, everyone I know refuse to get the vaccine except for me, my father, and my teacher SIL.

Depends on lifestyles ... but at some point, a lot of their hands will be forced if they want to travel, work certain jobs, etc. For instance, someone who works for themselves and doesn't really fly anywhere can probably avoid the vaccine for some time. If anyone was a fan of ocean cruises before COVID, that will be out of the window without a vaccine.

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Just now, Doug B said:

Depends on lifestyles ... but at some point, a lot of their hands will be forced if they want to travel, work certain jobs, etc. For instance, someone who works for themselves and doesn't really fly anywhere can probably avoid the vaccine for some time. If anyone was a fan of ocean cruises before COVID, that will be out of the window without a vaccine.

I think thats yet to be determined but yes I agree, if they have to get vaccinated to travel then I believe they will do so. Thats on them to worry about. I plan on getting vaccinated as soon as available to me.

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24 minutes ago, jobarules said:

Just saying if a family member gets sick, CDC recommends them isolating in their room. I don't think CDC recommends also sealing and taping up any air intake vents in that room

Maybe not per se and maybe not specifically aimed at the general public, but the CDC has long-standing airborne-contaminant protocols. Improving and adjusting ventilation is covered at length.

Whether someone wants to create a negative-pressure air space in a private home likely depends on the immediate conditions ... a case-by-case thing. If you're living in Wayne Manor or something, it's pretty easy to avoid the COVID carrier and the surrounding air space. If, on the other hand, you're living in a three-bedroom house, and the only bathroom is right next to the COVID carrier's room, and it's a multigenerational home with elderly folks ... simple, cheap measures like covering a vent and opening a window might have more appeal.

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1 minute ago, Doug B said:

Maybe not per se and maybe not for the general public, but the CDC has long-standing airborne-contaminant protocols. Improving and adjusting ventilation is covered at length.

Whether someone wants to create a negative-pressure air space in a private home likely depends on the immediate conditions ... a case-by-case thing. If you're living in Wayne Manor or something, it's pretty easy to avoid the COVID carrier and the surrounding air space. If, on the other hand, you're living in a three-bedroom house, and the only bathroom is right next to the COVID carrier's room ... simple, cheap measures like covering a vent and opening a window might have more appeal.

This is exactly us. My wife didnt isolate at all and I slept in the same bed and neither me or my son got sick.

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1 minute ago, jobarules said:

This is exactly us. My wife didn't isolate at all and I slept in the same bed and neither me or my son got sick.

It is true that there are many cases like this -- spouses, prisoners, people who regularly share a confined space like a car or a truck cab, etc. Often COVID doesn't spread even when it should have been easy for the virus to make the jump.

But you have to excuse people for not incorporating your personal experience and treating that as the most likely outcome when making their own decisions. I have to think that's been one of the difficult things about getting all Americans on the exact same page about COVID -- personal experiences with this virus vary so much, and for a lot of people making decisions about their own lives ... personal experience strongly trumps (no pun) external information.

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3 minutes ago, Doug B said:

It is true that there are many cases like this -- spouses, prisoners, people who regularly share a confined space like a car or a truck cab, etc. Often COVID doesn't spread even when it should have been easy for the virus to make the jump.

But you have to excuse people for not incorporating your personal experience and treating that as the most likely outcome when making their own decisions. I have to think that's been one of the difficult things about getting all Americans on the exact same page about COVID -- personal experiences with this virus vary so much, and for a lot of people making decisions about their own lives ... personal experience strongly trumps (no pun) external information.

Im definitely not and never once did I recommend people not isolate but when someone goes above and beyond common sense CDC guidelines found here, I do think THEY are taking things to the other extreme.

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3 minutes ago, jobarules said:

... when someone goes above and beyond common sense CDC guidelines found here, I do think THEY are taking things to the other extreme.

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* If possible, have the person who is sick use a separate bedroom and bathroom. If possible, have the person who is sick stay in their own “sick room” or area and away from others. Try to stay at least 6 feet away from the sick person.

* Shared space: If you have to share space, make sure the room has good air flow.

- - Open the window to increase air circulation.

- - Improving ventilation helps remove respiratory droplets from the air.

 


I mean, yeah ... they don't outright say "tape up a vent". But it seems clear that the guidelines as written do support various quick-&-dirty means of improving ventilation.

Hey, I'm with you on the baking mail and sterilizing groceries. I have my own COVID "blind spots" from the perspectives of other, more careful people (i.e. I don't think fomite exposure really matters). But I think the "closing off vents" has real merit and it's a legitimate choice for a household to make.

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6 minutes ago, Doug B said:

From that link:


I mean, yeah ... they don't outright say "tape up a vent". But it seems clear that the guidelines as written do support various quick-&-dirty means of improving ventilation.

Hey, I'm with you on the baking mail and sterilizing groceries. I have my own COVID "blind spots" from the perspectives of other, more careful people (i.e. I don't think fomite exposure really matters). But I think the "closing off vents" has real merit and it's a legitimate choice for a household to make.

That's in a shared space (aka studio apartment) not a house with separate rooms.

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The flu numbers this year for the U.S. are crazy. Last year at this time at the height of flu season we had 130K positive flu tests. This year so far, a grand total of around 1,300. 

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49 minutes ago, Kilgore Trout said:

The flu numbers this year for the U.S. are crazy. Last year at this time at the height of flu season we had 130K positive flu tests. This year so far, a grand total of around 1,300. 

I wonder if it will be possible to take something learned from the COVID pandemic and apply it to minimizing annual flu spread. Rhetorically: has it mostly been masking keeping flu at bay ... or is any other mitigation measure applicable?

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