You probably detailed this earlier in the thread ... but how symptomatic was she?jobarules said:Got an antibody test and somehow still negative despite my wife having covid and not isolating and sleeping in the same bed with her back in November. Crazy
She was only a little fatigued. Only reason she got tested in the 1st place was because we were both close contacts with a positive over Thanksgiving. The crazy thing is not only did I sleep in the same bed as her but a few days she made dinner for us and one day I even ate a piece of chicken she bit. This was before we knew she was positive.You probably detailed this earlier in the thread ... but how symptomatic was she?
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One of the weird things about COVID that's been noticed time and time again is that some infected people shed little to no virus. Others shed tons of it. The variance in virus shedding from patient to patient is gigantic and not yet well understood. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know in advance whether any individual infected person will shed a little or shed a lot.
You haven't seen a dentist or gotten a haircut in a year?Two weeks after my second shot, I intend to go to the dentist and dermatologist, get a haircut, and even get a massage. All while wearing a mask though. I will also move forward with house projects, but again, require masks at all times by any contractors. I probably will still get delivery for groceries and avoid restaurants. Might go to the gym for outdoor training classes.
92 as well as my youngest. I am at 95 but developed a slight cough. Below 90 I guess is cause for concern.What's her oxygen saturation now?
Contagiousness is not determined by mode. TB is fully acknowledged as airborne and is less contagious. Sars 1 has been recognized as airborne for years and i think might be a close relative of Sars 2. But sometimes sequels get discarded, like rocky 5.Terminalxylem said:Droplets and aerosols exist on a continuum. Many respiratory infections spread both ways; the balance between the two helps to determine contagiousness. SARS-CoV-2 appears to have a little more aerosol spread than influenza, but the bulk of epidemiologic data still suggests droplets as the predominant mechanism.
Most of the approved (and experimental) treatments are recommended at pulse ox less than 94%. And even mild hypoxia can be bad news for asthmatics.92 as well as my youngest. I am at 95 but developed a slight cough. Below 90 I guess is cause for concern.
Yeah, don't sleep on the low ox numbers. Get to the hospital if breathing is troublesome. This disease is no joke.Most of the approved (and experimental) treatments are recommended at pulse ox less than 94%. And even mild hypoxia can be bad news for asthmatics.
93-92 is actually her normal range apparently. My sons is 97 now. We are monitoring it and keeping her father informed.Most of the approved (and experimental) treatments are recommended at pulse ox less than 94%. And even mild hypoxia can be bad news for asthmatics.
How accurate are those finger ones you can use at home or the new apple watch though?Most of the approved (and experimental) treatments are recommended at pulse ox less than 94%. And even mild hypoxia can be bad news for asthmatics.
That is pretty crazy -- but we have a close friend with very similar situation. Wife tested positive twice. Husband and kids never got it. They were all in the same house together the entire time.She was only a little fatigued. Only reason she got tested in the 1st place was because we were both close contacts with a positive over Thanksgiving. The crazy thing is not only did I sleep in the same bed as her but a few days she made dinner for us and one day I even ate a piece of chicken she bit. This was before we knew she was positive.
Friends in TX are mid-40s, a little overweight but no other obvious comorbidities. Both are getting vaccinated early next week. I have zero idea how that is possible.Glad to see the TX Governor is still in full moron mode. TX has a whopping 5% of the state fully vaccinated, and he's already talking about removing mandates. The dude just refuses to listen to ANYONE qualified and is determined to keep this thing around as long as possible.
Why not? You don't think the virus is in her saliva which is then spread to the piece of chicken she bit? Seems like it would be common senseThat is pretty crazy -- but we have a close friend with very similar situation. Wife tested positive twice. Husband and kids never got it. They were all in the same house together the entire time.
The part about eating a piece of chicken she bit is irrelevant. That isn't how COVID spreads.
It doesn’t seem to follow any single piece of evidence we’ve seen so far. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Doesn’t seem like it.Why not? You don't think the virus is in her saliva which is then spread to the piece of chicken she bit? Seems like it would be common sense
I think the BMI cutoff is 30. I know that, at least here in San Antonio, if you arrive for a scheduled vaccine and don't meet the requirements, you can be turned away. i.e. They may be scheduled for it but that doesn't necessarily mean they will get it.Friends in TX are mid-40s, a little overweight but no other obvious comorbidities. Both are getting vaccinated early next week. I have zero idea how that is possible.
I am getting vaccinated as soon as I canIf you had a BMI right at 30, but wouldn’t consider yourself severely overweight and are generally pretty healthy, would you sign up for a vaccine when BMI 30+ is eligible alongside other pre-existing health conditions? Or would you wait?
I'd prefer everyone get it ASAP. I'm way more likely to run in to Billy Belly at the grocery store than I am 94 year old Millie from the home.If you had a BMI right at 30, but wouldn’t consider yourself severely overweight and are generally pretty healthy, would you sign up for a vaccine when BMI 30+ is eligible alongside other pre-existing health conditions? Or would you wait?
Well that makes it less concerning...though asthma alone shouldn’t account for reduced oxygen saturations at rest.93-92 is actually her normal range apparently. My sons is 97 now. We are monitoring it and keeping her father informed.
Not sure, but the technology isn’t super complex. If one person’s saturations were consistently lower than another’s using the same device I’d tend to believe it.How accurate are those finger ones you can use at home or the new apple watch though?
While BMI is far from perfect, most people overestimate what constitutes a “healthy” weight.If you had a BMI right at 30, but wouldn’t consider yourself severely overweight and are generally pretty healthy, would you sign up for a vaccine when BMI 30+ is eligible alongside other pre-existing health conditions? Or would you wait?
I never got my MD so I just listen to her father who did.Well that makes it less concerning...though asthma alone shouldn’t account for reduced oxygen saturations at rest.
So if you kiss someone with covid you can't get it but of they breathe across the room you can? Come on. Think logicallyIt doesn’t seem to follow any single piece of evidence we’ve seen so far. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Doesn’t seem like it.
Gaming the system, I see.So I spent the last two days at the Dallas FEMA site volunteering, walked 38000 steps, burned 3800 calories a day and at the end of it got a Moderna short.
My pandemic is over bois.
Kissing someone involves breathing the same air as them. Eating a piece of chicken on a plate doesn’t necessarily.So if you kiss someone with covid you can't get it but of they breathe across the room you can? Come on. Think logically
If I understand it right, Texas immediately went to ‘anyone with health conditions’ after health care workers rather than progressing through the age groups. So while a higher risk 40 year old might be eligible now, there might be a lot of people older than 65 who haven’t gotten their shot yet. But again I could be wrong based on the limited research I did to help my mother in law find her shot.Friends in TX are mid-40s, a little overweight but no other obvious comorbidities. Both are getting vaccinated early next week. I have zero idea how that is possible.
I'm starting to notice people all around me "jumping the line." Most of them are very open about how they "gamed the system" to get a vaccination scheduled. Candidly, this behavior really pisses me off.
30 is severely overweight whether americans accept this or not.If you had a BMI right at 30, but wouldn’t consider yourself severely overweight and are generally pretty healthy, would you sign up for a vaccine when BMI 30+ is eligible alongside other pre-existing health conditions? Or would you wait?
1. I would get vaccinated and not feel the slightest bit bad about it. I'm currently waiting my turn to get vaccinated and I have zero interest in trying to jump the line, but I'm planning on getting vaccinated the minute the state tells me I'm eligible.If you had a BMI right at 30, but wouldn’t consider yourself severely overweight and are generally pretty healthy, would you sign up for a vaccine when BMI 30+ is eligible alongside other pre-existing health conditions? Or would you wait?
You aren't wrong. Consider this, in San Antonio, when you take first responders, medical folks, people over 65 and all those under 65 that meet the "medical condition" category (of which I was one), it covers 70% of the population. San Antonio is not healthy, lots of medical conditions, and is severely obese. So phase 1A and 1B was damn near everyone.If I understand it right, Texas immediately went to ‘anyone with health conditions’ after health care workers rather than progressing through the age groups. So while a higher risk 40 year old might be eligible now, there might be a lot of people older than 65 who haven’t gotten their shot yet. But again I could be wrong based on the limited research I did to help my mother in law find her shot.
Normal. Though I'm not thrilled with the idea of them going indoor spaces maskless quite yet. (like them going to a restaurant) Mainly because they get it it's two weeks of remote school or worse.How are people handling the situations of vaccinated grandparents, vaccinated parents, and young kids who obviously aren't vaccinated?
Free reign as normal, "normal" but with masks, only outside, no interaction???
Wife and I are trying to figure this out now as we are getting our second doses soon.
This is what we are deciding. My wife just got her first dose. I won't be for a long time but my 15 year old1. I would get vaccinated and not feel the slightest bit bad about it. I'm currently waiting my turn to get vaccinated and I have zero interest in trying to jump the line, but I'm planning on getting vaccinated the minute the state tells me I'm eligible.
2. The overwhelming majority of people with 30+ BMIs are obese. Sure, there are lots of people at this weight who are totally healthy -- those folks play on Sundays and wear numbers in the 40s and 50s. Most of the rest are just obese.
3. Seriously, just take the vaccine and be happy.
Have not seen them in over a year (my side of the family). We have seen her side due to circumstances that were going on.How are people handling the situations of vaccinated grandparents, vaccinated parents, and young kids who obviously aren't vaccinated?
Free reign as normal, "normal" but with masks, only outside, no interaction???
Wife and I are trying to figure this out now as we are getting our second doses soon.
Here's more or less my FEMA volunteer experience.
I went into it knowing that at 15 hours they more or less would give you a shot, this wasn't some altruistic thing, I knew that going in nearly certainly I'd come out of this with a shot.
I went out there mid morning on Friday, and they gave me the rundown and I went out to basically mark cars with the information like 1st/2nd/Pfizer/Moderna and people inside and how they were going to validate. I got whisked off to a far corner of fair park and just went thru the line taking down this information and chalk painting it on the windshields.
I wasn't prepared for the emotional reactions people had, tons of people in tears, lots of people rolling go pros and just so many happy faces. We all got into it, joking with people the whole time taking photos of them in the car. It was truly a moving thing, we had a great system and got people sorted to the next basically filter in the operation where at the end the Army was giving out the shots.
Towards the end of the day though I guess someone leaked a hacked QR code or something that got around the system. This clogged stuff up, so basically we had anyone that looked young and in a nice car we would basically have to tell them "hey if you have code or whatever that wasn't meant from you, taking a federal benefit on false pretenses is a crime." I think a few people initially got thru but ultimately they caught on up front and a few got some level of citation for interfering with a rescue effort or something relatively minor.
At end of the day they did have leftovers, but I had not had 15 hours yet and didn't get a shot. Headed home 13000 steps down.
Woke up next morning and headed out, met my crew from yesterday and we went to the very front of the operation. I marked cars in the morning, and there seemed to be nearly no scammers at all. I think the news mentioned you'd get pulled over by the feds so that tightened things up and made the whole operation run I mean super smoothly.
The afternoon I ran complete point of the whole spear, basically funneling cars into slots to move them thru as fast as I could sort them. The whole PM Saturday was just a work of art, we were doing 1000s of shots an hour easy getting people in and out of each category super fast.
People talk about how you remember how things began and ended. Mine ended there, sorting cars, hi-fiving people, taking selfies as they went on in to end theirs.
I encourage everyone to look and see if they can help, these sites need help. Truly. They need smart people that can organize things. It's one of my skills and I was happy to help for two days.
At the end of the 2nd day at 15 hours I lined up, got my shot from an Army corporal, waited and left.
My mom and MIL are still being pretty safe with the quarantine so they’re over all the time. My dad is...not, but he’s vaccinated so we let him hug on our son. We keep him outside on the patio though lol. He only comes over for an hour or so once a month so not a big deal. The grandmas are here and inside all the time.How are people handling the situations of vaccinated grandparents, vaccinated parents, and young kids who obviously aren't vaccinated?
Free reign as normal, "normal" but with masks, only outside, no interaction???
Wife and I are trying to figure this out now as we are getting our second doses soon.
It's a stupid take even if it's technically accurate. Even the J&J vaccine, which isn't quite as good as the Pfizer/Moderna vaccinces, prevents severe disease and death. Isn't that what we care about? They were tested in all kinds of countries, including Brazil which never did jack crap about masks and distancing. Just more red meat for the doomscrollers.I have been following Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute in Israel who has been studying the data on their vaccination program. He has been very positive about the data, but posts this today:
“Remember that vaccine efficacy was measured under conditions of masks and social distancing Efficacy is the sum of biological protection of the vaccine and protection resulting from public behavior. If behavior changes, efficacy will likely decline, perhaps even significantly”
WTF? I’m not a doctor, but what is the point of the vaccine if this is true?
https://mobile.twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1365930703716835328
You do realize the higher the infection rate, the greater the chance of a new strain developing right? So no, the current strain isn't ALL we should be worried about. We need to worry about herd immunity, which Fauci has mentioned more than once.It's a stupid take even if it's technically accurate. Even the J&J vaccine, which isn't quite as good as the Pfizer/Moderna vaccinces, prevents severe disease and death. Isn't that what we care about? They were tested in all kinds of countries, including Brazil which never did jack crap about masks and distancing. Just more red meat for the doomscrollers.
I think his intention was to support ongoing social measures to help keep people safe, but he ends up undermining the role vaccines play. He's conflating "efficacy of vaccines" with "number of people getting sick". Yes more people will get sick if lighten up on masks and social distancing, but that does nothing to change the efficacy of the vaccines.I have been following Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute in Israel who has been studying the data on their vaccination program. He has been very positive about the data, but posts this today:
“Remember that vaccine efficacy was measured under conditions of masks and social distancing Efficacy is the sum of biological protection of the vaccine and protection resulting from public behavior. If behavior changes, efficacy will likely decline, perhaps even significantly”
WTF? I’m not a doctor, but what is the point of the vaccine if this is true?
https://mobile.twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1365930703716835328
Yes I do. That's not what his tweet or my reply was about. He never mentioned anything about variants. His tweet is about the efficacy of the vaccines and he supposes it is very much related to people's behavior. If he said we need to avoid a new variant that can escape the vaccines I would agree.You do realize the higher the infection rate, the greater the chance of a new strain developing right? So no, the current strain isn't ALL we should be worried about. We need to worry about herd immunity, which Fauci has mentioned more than once.