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We have 24 golfers in our group.  Trip is after Memorial Day.  Close buddies all over the political spectrum.  We think up to 8 won't get vaccinated.  And by that time odds may be in their favor - all because the rest of us and other people have gotten vaccinated.  It's because we did our parts.  And they will be "see......."

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My dad has been sick for a few weeks.  My mom called me today to say he was about to die.  I said some final words to him and he could hear me but was unable to respond.  He passed a short time later.

Not to derail anything, but we had our baby last night! She's doing amazingly well. Due to the hospital's pandemic policies, I had to leave her right after my wife was released from recovery. I can't

On a positive note, my wife gave birth to our first child this morning!! We were expecting our daughter to be born in the first week of April, which does not align very well if this hospital sees a ma

46 minutes ago, jobarules said:

Our CDC director and media: OMG THE UK VARIANT

Me looking at the UK case curve on Worldometer: :yawn:

Just looked at the UK and Israel, as they probably are a glimpse into what we should experience as our vaccine uptake continues. They're both in pretty good declines. Compared to our major states: 

NY is basically stubbornly flat downstate. But it's almost back to where upstate NY is like "what's Covid?". 

TX and CA both looking pretty good. FL, kind of hanging in there or flat, maybe up a bit.

MI looks like they wanted to be TX or CA but forgot it was cold there.

Based on the numbers it looks like the vaccine should win the race here. We're what, 63-84 days out from anyone 16+ walking into a pharmacy anywhere for a vaccine? That plus warm weather everywhere, we should be in good shape. The "variant" talk will fade.

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12 minutes ago, Judge Smails said:

We have 24 golfers in our group.  Trip is after Memorial Day.  Close buddies all over the political spectrum.  We think up to 8 won't get vaccinated.  And by that time odds may be in their favor - all because the rest of us and other people have gotten vaccinated.  It's because we did our parts.  And they will be "see......."

Just tell them that gambling is illegal sir and you never slice that usually seems to work out. 

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2 hours ago, jobarules said:

Our CDC director and media: OMG THE UK VARIANT

Me looking at the UK case curve on Worldometer: :yawn:

Yep. 9 times out of 10, I hate to "deny the science" ...  but until better information comes out, reports on the variants in popular media are scare tactics and click-bait.

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On 4/4/2021 at 5:11 PM, Rodrigo Duterte said:

After getting vaccinated, is there any reason to wait to donate blood?  Red Cross keeps hitting me up due to an emergency shortage of Type O.  It'll be two weeks since my 2nd dose of Moderna on Tuesday.  Blood drive is Wednesday.

 

On 4/4/2021 at 5:23 PM, culdeus said:

Call them. There is a waiting period.  If can't seem to get a clear answer from google. 

I called them and the only thing they really are going on is if you have any sort of symptoms lingering, post shot.  So it's up to the individual, no standard timeline for any vax.  Will give blood tomorrow.

Man, feels so good to be done with my vaccinations (two weeks post Moderna #2 now).  So, so grateful.  I keep thinking about where we were one year ago and what so many great minds accomplished and the collective effort that was put forth to have come this far.  In a time of uncertainty and ugliness I never thought I'd see, this is a nice, long exhale.  Of hope.

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20 hours ago, Doug B said:

Yep. 9 times out of 10, I hate to "deny the science" ...  but until better information comes out, reports on the variants in popular media are scare tactics and click-bait.

Right now I view the variants as a consideration - we’re well on our way to beating this unless the variants cause a problem. I’m not really worried about it but it’s still something to watch. My co-worker claims that the ‘plan’ is to have everyone get a booster during flu season. I can’t see any reason why at this point.

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Michigan claiming hundreds of vaccinated getting sick and 3 dying. 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/05/246-vaccinated-residents-diagnosed-covid-3-dead-michigan/7100759002/
 

Given how inept the state has been with all things Covid, I'm guessing this is largely bad data.

The state has become a bit of an embarrassment of late 

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The data skew for hospitalizations and fatalities by age to me is still unbelievably fascinating. Maybe because I have an 11 year-old and that has me continuously analyzing her risk factors when it comes to COVID-19.

The CDC has been tracking hospitalizations by week since last March through their Hospitalization Surveillance Network, which encompasses around 10% of the country (including CA and NY among other states). It's easily a good enough sample size to quantify the percentage of hospitalizations by age range. Here are the hospitalization percentages by age range (note the age ranges have a varying number of years included in them, and it totals to 100%)

  • 0-4: 0.59%
  • 5-17: 0.96%
  • 18-49: 25.31%
  • 50-64: 27.30%
  • 65+: 45.84%

So what? Statistically speaking, COVID-19 is an adult disease. While children aren't immune, and MIS-C is another complication children can experience, the data speaks for itself. Now I realize that it's not impossible for children to have to go to the hospital if they contract COVID-19, but statistically speaking it is highly unlikely.

In fact, taking into account only 18 year-olds and younger, I think it would be difficult to see COVID-19 in real time. It would take a data review going back a year to say, "hey, there seems to be some rare disease causing a tiny percentage of kids 18 and under to go to the hospital".

As for fatalities. Of the 40,000+ fatalities in New York State since March 2020, there were 26 fatalities in people aged 19 and under. That's fewer than 0.07% of the fatalities. Again, I think it would have taken a data review a year later to realize these 26 kids passed away from the same disease over the course of a year in a state with 19 million people, with around 3 million or so aged 18 and under (if only children 18 and under were taken into account).

I still loathe to think what this disease would have been like if kids were affected like adults.

COVID-19 Hospitalizations by Age per CDC

NYS Fatalities by Age (and other characteristics)

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7 hours ago, [icon] said:

Michigan claiming hundreds of vaccinated getting sick and 3 dying. 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/04/05/246-vaccinated-residents-diagnosed-covid-3-dead-michigan/7100759002/
 

Given how inept the state has been with all things Covid, I'm guessing this is largely bad data.

The state has become a bit of an embarrassment of late 

There is nothing that stands out as crazy about that data. The 3 deaths were all elderly. We know that it has a higher likelihood of not working in the older crowd and that it can take longer to work. All were within 3 weeks of 2nd vaccination i think.

The other numbers should within the efficacy %s.

 

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On 3/29/2021 at 9:46 AM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Probably certain auto-immune conditions and being allergic to the lipids the mRNA is encapsulated in. 

The only absolute contraindication is immediate hypersensitivity to the vaccine, or one of its components. Stuff like anaphylaxis, hives and angioedema (diffuse swelling, which can impair breathing).

Pre-existing autoimmune disease isn’t a concern, though some have speculated the vaccines could induce autoimmunity as a late AE. Seems pretty unlikely to me, as RNA is rapidly degraded by enzymes throughout the body, and not typically presented to immune cells. Moreover, small RNA segments are thought to play a role preventing autoimmune disease.

Unless the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein mimics some structure in the body. But if that were the case, pretty much all the vaccines would pose a risk.

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Total Small Sample Size & Selection Bias disclaimer / alert.... 

Good buddy has had two close friends under 45 who had COVID last year... Both were fully vaccinated (2nd shot mid feb / early mar).... both are quite sick with COVID again now, one hospitalized. 

The Early Mar 2nd shot COULD be within the window (with 5-10 day incubation / 2ish weeks to full protection / time for sickness to develop)... the Feb guy, not so much. 

Again... Vaccine isn't bulletproof...tiny sample size.... etc.....  just a bummer to see. 

 

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On 4/1/2021 at 6:06 AM, Doug B said:

The part in red: quoted for truth.

I know through my work that area hospitals were setting up temporary COVID rooms with air scrubbers just south of $1,000 apiece. School systems should skip Promethean whiteboards and fluff like that and buy air scrubbers in bulk. File for some grants, work the corners like Gregg Maddux, and get those scrubbers down to maybe $500-700 a pop.

I know it makes intuitive sense, but has anyone posted objective data on air scrubbers and rates of respiratory infections? @GroveDiesel @beer 30?

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On 4/3/2021 at 3:44 AM, worrierking said:

Interesting discussion.  A lot of this virus is random.  It is out of our control.  

I think as we go forward we will still be seeing outbreaks, but they will get continually smaller.  We had huge regional outbreaks last summer and last fall.  I think there will continue to be regional outbreaks but they will be smaller and smaller.  Then we will keep having localized outbreaks and they will get smaller and smaller until the disease finally goes away.  Of course this may be exactly the opposite of what happens.  Nothing has been easy to predict.

Absolutely. I’m all for maximizing our understanding, but there are too many variables to intellectualize every infectious ebb and flow. Sometimes sh!t just happens.

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On 4/4/2021 at 6:46 AM, AAABatteries said:

I’m down to two cards (DL and bank card) and carry them both in my phone case - going on about 2 years with no wallet that I carry.  I keep my old wallet in my desk drawer with all the other crap I used to carry still in it.  I’ll never go back to carrying one.

License and cc for me. Hate carrying a phone, and often leave it at home, but recently converted to an iWatch which I’m a lot more likely to wear.

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On 4/5/2021 at 11:09 AM, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

:shrug: Governments are capable of shutting down bars.  They can’t make stupid and selfish people stop being stupid and selfish.

I wonder what the Venn diagram of pandemic bar patrons and stupid, selfish people looks like? Probably there’s fair overlap that increases as the night goes on.

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3 hours ago, [icon] said:

Total Small Sample Size & Selection Bias disclaimer / alert.... 

Good buddy has had two close friends under 45 who had COVID last year... Both were fully vaccinated (2nd shot mid feb / early mar).... both are quite sick with COVID again now, one hospitalized. 

The Early Mar 2nd shot COULD be within the window (with 5-10 day incubation / 2ish weeks to full protection / time for sickness to develop)... the Feb guy, not so much. 

Again... Vaccine isn't bulletproof...tiny sample size.... etc.....  just a bummer to see. 

 

Well, I don't like hearing that at all!  Not only got it, but severe.  Ugh.  

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3 hours ago, [icon] said:

Total Small Sample Size & Selection Bias disclaimer / alert.... 

Good buddy has had two close friends under 45 who had COVID last year... Both were fully vaccinated (2nd shot mid feb / early mar).... both are quite sick with COVID again now, one hospitalized. 

The Early Mar 2nd shot COULD be within the window (with 5-10 day incubation / 2ish weeks to full protection / time for sickness to develop)... the Feb guy, not so much. 

Again... Vaccine isn't bulletproof...tiny sample size.... etc.....  just a bummer to see. 

 

This is one of those things where I don't want to question this situation, but if this really was a "Thing", then wouldn't other instances of this be happening elsewhere that would contradict what we've heard about the vaccines 100% preventing serious illness?  

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4 hours ago, [icon] said:

Total Small Sample Size & Selection Bias disclaimer / alert.... 

Good buddy has had two close friends under 45 who had COVID last year... Both were fully vaccinated (2nd shot mid feb / early mar).... both are quite sick with COVID again now, one hospitalized. 

The Early Mar 2nd shot COULD be within the window (with 5-10 day incubation / 2ish weeks to full protection / time for sickness to develop)... the Feb guy, not so much. 

Again... Vaccine isn't bulletproof...tiny sample size.... etc.....  just a bummer to see. 

 

These anecdotes are going to get louder.  The Anti-Vax campaign depends on this now.  It's going to be like the early stories of "Healthy attractive 25 year old yoga instructor dies of Covid" 

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1 hour ago, culdeus said:

These anecdotes are going to get louder.  The Anti-Vax campaign depends on this now.  It's going to be like the early stories of "Healthy attractive 25 year old yoga instructor dies of Covid" 

Yup.  The stories will be told and passed around frequently.   Like my wife's college roommate who told us that her best friend's cousin woke up in an ice-filled bathtub in Vegas way back in 1996.

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4 minutes ago, Doug B said:

What's "tr", GB?

Transmission Rate.    I know there's way more factors etc but that number has been a good quick indicator which way we are going 

I guess they call it infection rate

 

 

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9 minutes ago, belljr said:
12 minutes ago, Doug B said:

What's "tr", GB?

Transmission Rate.    I know there's way more factors etc but that number has been a good quick indicator which way we are going 

I guess they call it infection rate

Same thing as R0 or different?

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5 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:
On 4/1/2021 at 11:06 AM, Doug B said:

I know through my work that area hospitals were setting up temporary COVID rooms with air scrubbers just south of $1,000 apiece. School systems should skip Promethean whiteboards and fluff like that and buy air scrubbers in bulk. File for some grants, work the corners like Gregg Maddux, and get those scrubbers down to maybe $500-700 a pop.

I know it makes intuitive sense, but has anyone posted objective data on air scrubbers and rates of respiratory infections? @GroveDiesel @beer 30?

It's very easy to find information on air scrubbers and allergic respiratory diseases. Haven't yet found a quick rundown on air scrubbers and viral respiratory infections.

I was kind of figuring anything that keeps indoor air moving and keeps indoor air from accumulating in one place can only help. Exchange with outside air is also desired, I would imagine.

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3 hours ago, culdeus said:

These anecdotes are going to get louder.  The Anti-Vax campaign depends on this now.  It's going to be like the early stories of "Healthy attractive 25 year old yoga instructor dies of Covid" 

I agree with everything you just said, but to clarify I don't think @[icon] is an anti-vaxxer.  Actually I vaguely remember him posting about getting a shot.

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21 minutes ago, Doug B said:

It's very easy to find information on air scrubbers and allergic respiratory diseases. Haven't yet found a quick rundown on air scrubbers and viral respiratory infections.

I was kind of figuring anything that keeps indoor air moving and keeps indoor air from accumulating in one place can only help. Exchange with outside air is also desired, I would imagine.

I get it, but don’t like taking anything for granted, even if “common sense” suggests otherwise.

I recall studies of ozone based air purification symptoms which increased allergic reactions and asthma flares, for example.

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1 hour ago, IvanKaramazov said:

I agree with everything you just said, but to clarify I don't think @[icon] is an anti-vaxxer.  Actually I vaguely remember him posting about getting a shot.

Yeah, good clarification.  I certainly didn’t intend to imply that.   

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2 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

I get it, but don’t like taking anything for granted, even if “common sense” suggests otherwise.

I recall studies of ozone based air purification symptoms which increased allergic reactions and asthma flares, for example.

Incidentally, there are also ozone water purification devices for swimming pools ... those don't work either.

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3 hours ago, IvanKaramazov said:

I agree with everything you just said, but to clarify I don't think @[icon] is an anti-vaxxer.  Actually I vaguely remember him posting about getting a shot.

Yep I'm fully vaccinated as of mid February.... and as firm a pro-vaxxer as you'll find. 

Im also open minded and not going to blindly dismiss things that might challenge that.

As I stated repeatedly in my post, isolated case / small sample size / etc... but I trust the source and it's not something I like seeing. 

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2 hours ago, Doug B said:

Incidentally, there are also ozone water purification devices for swimming pools ... those don't work either.

I mean they work, until you actually swim in the pool.  

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12 hours ago, [icon] said:

Good buddy has had two close friends under 45 who had COVID last year... Both were fully vaccinated (2nd shot mid feb / early mar).... both are quite sick with COVID again now, one hospitalized. 

Obviously, I'm not a doctor ... just speaking for myself here:

If I was one of those guys, I'd bring it up to a specialist and ask to get tested for auto-immune disorders, lymphoma, leukemia. For something wrong with the thymus. Something. Could be miles off base, but I'd want that kind of stuff ruled out and would want reassurance about why the vaccine didn't take. Saying "it's not 100%" wouldn't be enough -- I'd want to dig a lot deeper.

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Finally got my shot yesterday did the J&J as my brother who works in the field somewhat said it was the best one. Honestly being an essential worker with a high risk (Aspergers/Autism) I should've received my Shot much sooner then this. My buddy who I was talking about in the GS thread who hadn't been working till almost a month ago go his first one 2 weeks ago. Asked how he got it said went to the BMI sign up and was apparently overweight. Not a health expert but to me he has been losing weight but I wouldn't consider him overweight in a health risk aspect. Maybe by 15 LBS much less now because of a diet he's been on the last few months plus if we went by overweight thats more then 75% of this country who is over weight. meanwhile I'm an essential worker with a high risk condition working from the start and I had to wait until teachers got theirs? 

It just shows you how poorly this roll out has been planned since the beginning. The good thing by next Sat when my dad gets his second shot my whole family is vaccinated including both my brothers girlfriends. 

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So I got J&J had some side effects. Talked to my dr before getting it and we both had a theory I may have had COVID back in Dec of 2019 and it ran through half my store at the time without us knowing it. She said I could have worse side effects then others who may not have had COVID. 

So I got my shot around 11:20AM Wednesday. 10 hrs later I was having the chills, I was also nausea and 2 hrs later was losing my diner and and desert. My whole body was in pain as well and when I say in pain I could barely sit still. Tried to take some melatonin to get me to the sleep and didn't work. Finally got to sleep around 3AM and woke up around 6:30 this morning in pain still. I ended up taking a very warm shower hoping to loosen some muscles and take some aches away as well as get some water or fluids in my body. Went back to bed and slept slept for 3 hrs. Was well enough to go help my dad with the property but felt out of breathe and fatigued most of the day. My left calf was cramped up, my neck and lower back were very sore as well. We only went for a few hrs. Came home and took a 30Min power nap. Felt a little better. Right now I'm more tired (sleepy tired) then anything. Pain has subsided back to the normal pain I'm having do to a weak hip and other issues from my job 

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5 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

Finally got my shot yesterday did the J&J as my brother who works in the field somewhat said it was the best one. Honestly being an essential worker with a high risk (Aspergers/Autism) I should've received my Shot much sooner then this. My buddy who I was talking about in the GS thread who hadn't been working till almost a month ago go his first one 2 weeks ago. Asked how he got it said went to the BMI sign up and was apparently overweight. Not a health expert but to me he has been losing weight but I wouldn't consider him overweight in a health risk aspect. Maybe by 15 LBS much less now because of a diet he's been on the last few months plus if we went by overweight thats more then 75% of this country who is over weight. meanwhile I'm an essential worker with a high risk condition working from the start and I had to wait until teachers got theirs? 

It just shows you how poorly this roll out has been planned since the beginning. The good thing by next Sat when my dad gets his second shot my whole family is vaccinated including both my brothers girlfriends. 

You'd be surprised how many people qualify as "obese" by the definition the medical community uses (30 or more kg/m2). 

And, as many as three-quarters of the U.S. adult population has at least one risk factor for severe COVID-19 infection according to CDC guidelines.

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4 hours ago, Doug B said:

Obviously, I'm not a doctor ... just speaking for myself here:

If I was one of those guys, I'd bring it up to a specialist and ask to get tested for auto-immune disorders, lymphoma, leukemia. For something wrong with the thymus. Something. Could be miles off base, but I'd want that kind of stuff ruled out and would want reassurance about why the vaccine didn't take. Saying "it's not 100%" wouldn't be enough -- I'd want to dig a lot deeper.

The only things you might check are immunoglobulin levels and antibody responses to other vaccinations (childhood vaccines + others if over age 50), but that would really only be indicated if the person had a history of recurrent infections like sinusitis, pneumonia or chronic diarrhea. And HIV testing.

Definitely not a reason to go fishing for autoimmune diseases. A complete blood count (CBC) is a cheap and crude screen for hematologic malignancy, but probably unnecessary absent other symptoms. And nobody cares much about the thymus in middle age.

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3 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Finally got my shot yesterday did the J&J as my brother who works in the field somewhat said it was the best one. Honestly being an essential worker with a high risk (Aspergers/Autism) I should've received my Shot much sooner then this. My buddy who I was talking about in the GS thread who hadn't been working till almost a month ago go his first one 2 weeks ago. Asked how he got it said went to the BMI sign up and was apparently overweight. Not a health expert but to me he has been losing weight but I wouldn't consider him overweight in a health risk aspect. Maybe by 15 LBS much less now because of a diet he's been on the last few months plus if we went by overweight thats more then 75% of this country who is over weight. meanwhile I'm an essential worker with a high risk condition working from the start and I had to wait until teachers got theirs? 

It just shows you how poorly this roll out has been planned since the beginning. The good thing by next Sat when my dad gets his second shot my whole family is vaccinated including both my brothers girlfriends. 

While I agree you should have received your vaccine relatively early as a frontline worker, autistic spectrum disorders don’t put you at increased risk from covid.

And roughly three quarters of the US population is overweight or obese.

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4 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

While I agree you should have received your vaccine relatively early as a frontline worker, autistic spectrum disorders don’t put you at increased risk from covid.

And roughly three quarters of the US population is overweight or obese.

The autism advocacy groups pushed hard for vaccine priority access claiming high risk. Three times as likely to catch covid or have a severe outcome was a pretty common figure thrown around. I think it was heavily skewed by group living situations for severe cases of these groups.

 Have never seen anything showing that somebody self sustatining was at increased risk for any kind of medical reason. 

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My wife is scheduled to get her first shot tomorrow. She is getting over a head cold. She feels fine, just has a lingering cough every now and then.

I looked online to see what she should do and I can't seem to find a clear answer.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

 

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Maskless anxiety:

My wife and I are vaccinated to the tune of 2nd shot plus 9 days.  We have been in Disney and FL for spring break for the past week. Disney felt fine - near 100% mask compliance on property, social distancing, plexiglass, tons of sanitizer, etc.  Disney, IMO, is a shining example of how to run a business and keep everyone safe during a pandemic.

Last night, we stopped at Flagler Beach on the drive home.  We went out to a restaurant on the beach, and completely opposite.  Almost no masks, people at the bar shoulder to shoulder, etc.  

I could tell my wife and kids were uneasy to be in that scene, even though we were gonna be dining outside.  And if I'm honest, I didn't feel great either.

I know my wife and I are nearly there in terms of immunity - we have to be 90% immune so we should be OK, and if my kids got it, it shouldn't be a big deal.  Still, we have been doing so much to stay safe for well over a year.  Being in crowds felt...wrong.  Being around unmasked people felt even worse.

I'm not sure what it's going to take to feel like I can get back to normal.  Not sure when I'm going to drop the mask in public, be in unmasked crowds, etc.  Logically I know I'm good but I think it's going to take some time.

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4 minutes ago, moleculo said:

Maskless anxiety:

My wife and I are vaccinated to the tune of 2nd shot plus 9 days.  We have been in Disney and FL for spring break for the past week. Disney felt fine - near 100% mask compliance on property, social distancing, plexiglass, tons of sanitizer, etc.  Disney, IMO, is a shining example of how to run a business and keep everyone safe during a pandemic.

Last night, we stopped at Flagler Beach on the drive home.  We went out to a restaurant on the beach, and completely opposite.  Almost no masks, people at the bar shoulder to shoulder, etc.  

I could tell my wife and kids were uneasy to be in that scene, even though we were gonna be dining outside.  And if I'm honest, I didn't feel great either.

I know my wife and I are nearly there in terms of immunity - we have to be 90% immune so we should be OK, and if my kids got it, it shouldn't be a big deal.  Still, we have been doing so much to stay safe for well over a year.  Being in crowds felt...wrong.  Being around unmasked people felt even worse.

I'm not sure what it's going to take to feel like I can get back to normal.  Not sure when I'm going to drop the mask in public, be in unmasked crowds, etc.  Logically I know I'm good but I think it's going to take some time.

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8 minutes ago, moleculo said:

I'm not sure what it's going to take to feel like I can get back to normal.  Not sure when I'm going to drop the mask in public, be in unmasked crowds, etc.  Logically I know I'm good but I think it's going to take some time.

As our office eases back to normal operations, I work with a combination of "I can't get COVID!" twenty-somethings and several older "just a flu" people*.

For now, I only have to go in twice a week. While I'm there, I'm the only one who wears a mask all day** while sitting at my desk. It's an open office plan, with someone sitting closer to me than I'd like (a vaccine denier, to boot).

Since I had my second Moderna yesterday, the countdown begins. On April 22nd, I will spend my first day in the office unmasked. That day in the office and subsequent days there will be the dress rehearsal to grocery shopping unmasked, visiting retailers unmasked, and visiting family unmasked.

 


Just an aside: when a "just a flu" person gets COVID, but skates through it in a week of regular-ol' flu type symptoms ... the "just a flu" mindset really bakes in.

** I do drink coffee and take lunch at my desk unmasked. So more like ~85% of the day.

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9 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

While I agree you should have received your vaccine relatively early as a frontline worker, autistic spectrum disorders don’t put you at increased risk from covid.

And roughly three quarters of the US population is overweight or obese.

Based on what I've read we are high up there not as high as others but pretty high do to the fact we are at higher risk for other health issues that are high risk. 

My issue with the US pOp overweight is more then half is by their own doing plus even 15LBS over is consider overweight. Parameters should be set on how overweight a person is to be eligible. My friend like I said was barely overweight. Most of his overweight was his own doing from eating poorly, he never exercises and lazy. Hadn't even been working since last July till now. Thats one of my biggest problems with this whole roll out. People jumping in front of people that really shouldn't have gotten it yet. I think the parameters were set too loosely. In PA Gov Wolf jumped Teachers over my section among other states doing the same. I got made respect for teachers but they aren't essential workers. 

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13 hours ago, Pip's Invitation said:

You'd be surprised how many people qualify as "obese" by the definition the medical community uses (30 or more kg/m2). 

And, as many as three-quarters of the U.S. adult population has at least one risk factor for severe COVID-19 infection according to CDC guidelines.

Yeah that's why I just said we should have better terms and qualifications for obese. plus a lot of people it's their own doing not eating right (I blame the FDA for approving all the poison they allow in our foods) and lack of exercise. Others have underlying issues that can't help their weight gains or from medications they take and I don't fault them. Just aggravates me that people as lazy as my friend who have been out of work and qualifies as "overweight" (Like I said he's probably like 10-15LBS over weight not huge health risk compared to someone 100-200LBS over) gets it before me? That just isn't right. I'm not saying I've risked more then others but I risked enough living with people at high risk with one person who already got it. 

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2 hours ago, moleculo said:

Maskless anxiety:

My wife and I are vaccinated to the tune of 2nd shot plus 9 days.  We have been in Disney and FL for spring break for the past week. Disney felt fine - near 100% mask compliance on property, social distancing, plexiglass, tons of sanitizer, etc.  Disney, IMO, is a shining example of how to run a business and keep everyone safe during a pandemic.

Last night, we stopped at Flagler Beach on the drive home.  We went out to a restaurant on the beach, and completely opposite.  Almost no masks, people at the bar shoulder to shoulder, etc.  

I could tell my wife and kids were uneasy to be in that scene, even though we were gonna be dining outside.  And if I'm honest, I didn't feel great either.

I know my wife and I are nearly there in terms of immunity - we have to be 90% immune so we should be OK, and if my kids got it, it shouldn't be a big deal.  Still, we have been doing so much to stay safe for well over a year.  Being in crowds felt...wrong.  Being around unmasked people felt even worse.

I'm not sure what it's going to take to feel like I can get back to normal.  Not sure when I'm going to drop the mask in public, be in unmasked crowds, etc.  Logically I know I'm good but I think it's going to take some time.

FL is so backwards on this. I have customers who's kids went down to FL for Spring Break. One Customer is a nurse at the Hospital I was born at and her parents have been super careful was surprised they let her go down there. 

Disney is an acceptation to the rule because of how many people they get from all over going there. Disney is a company if someone gets infected and hospitalize they can be responsible for the persons health. I could be wrong on that but Disney despite doing well it's more of CYA's to protect themselves from lawsuits

My Uncle has family in TX and they said Texans act like COVID has never existed but thats a few places especially red states. I think in another week or two we should see the ramifications in other areas from both these states from spring breakers 

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2 hours ago, Doug B said:

As our office eases back to normal operations, I work with a combination of "I can't get COVID!" twenty-somethings and several older "just a flu" people*.

For now, I only have to go in twice a week. While I'm there, I'm the only one who wears a mask all day** while sitting at my desk. It's an open office plan, with someone sitting closer to me than I'd like (a vaccine denier, to boot).

Since I had my second Moderna yesterday, the countdown begins. On April 22nd, I will spend my first day in the office unmasked. That day in the office and subsequent days there will be the dress rehearsal to grocery shopping unmasked, visiting retailers unmasked, and visiting family unmasked.

 


Just an aside: when a "just a flu" person gets COVID, but skates through it in a week of regular-ol' flu type symptoms ... the "just a flu" mindset really bakes in.

** I do drink coffee and take lunch at my desk unmasked. So more like ~85% of the day.

Being an essential worker you'd be surprised how many of my coworkers are Republicans and Trump Supporters. No surprise both my Store Director and ASD are Republicans but for some of the workers I was a bit surprised. I work with a few older people who think it's just a flew and some younger ones who think they can't get it. I've had a few kids who stopped though working and came back recently because their parents didn't want them working or they lived with people that were very high risk. I've noticed when I work late and Nightcrew comes in and I work past 11 (when We close) and come in early around 5:30 most of the night crew and anyone else working aren't wearing masks. I will sometimes take it off in the back for a minute to either adjust it or some relief but not taking it fully off. 

I have so many customers who still come in unmasked. Even one guy who I'm shocked who wears his MAGA hat still. It's been really bad in the grocery store because the company after the incident involving the security guard shot for telling a couples daughter to weara mask in the store we can't say anything to customers. Now I've been left in charge of the store a few times for the last 2-3 hrs in spurts the last couple of months. Thanks to that whenever someone comes in without a mask (usually younger people) I can tell them to put a mask on or they can't come in. I've had a couple in their 40s a few times coming in no masks on late shopping who we had told during the day to wear masks so I guess they thought coming in at night was different. Nope I told them if they want to shop in here they need a mask. We can refuse service to anyone since we have the alternative of online shopping and curbside pick up. 

The issue here is a lot of my store to begin with coworkers wise is anti maskers, anti vaccinators and "just a flu" crowd so we don't have many coworkers calling the manager over for non maskers. Plus my SD hates confrontation and more afraid of losing business then anything else. I've though a few times calling OSHA and health department but at this point it's not worth it and I need the store open for the $$$ I need. 

Question though April 22nd is that your states date of going back to no mandatory masks? 

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4 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Yeah that's why I just said we should have better terms and qualifications for obese. plus a lot of people it's their own doing not eating right (I blame the FDA for approving all the poison they allow in our foods) and lack of exercise. Others have underlying issues that can't help their weight gains or from medications they take and I don't fault them. Just aggravates me that people as lazy as my friend who have been out of work and qualifies as "overweight" (Like I said he's probably like 10-15LBS over weight not huge health risk compared to someone 100-200LBS over) gets it before me? That just isn't right. I'm not saying I've risked more then others but I risked enough living with people at high risk with one person who already got it. 

When you have an entire population that needs to be vaccinated as quickly as possible, there is no time to determine who is at high-risk because of their own making and thus doesn't "deserve" their place in line. It may not seem fair to you, but it's not a consideration and was never going to be. Complaining about it is not going to solve anything. 

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4 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Being an essential worker you'd be surprised how many of my coworkers are Republicans and Trump Supporters. No surprise both my Store Director and ASD are Republicans but for some of the workers I was a bit surprised. I work with a few older people who think it's just a flew and some younger ones who think they can't get it. I've had a few kids who stopped though working and came back recently because their parents didn't want them working or they lived with people that were very high risk. I've noticed when I work late and Nightcrew comes in and I work past 11 (when We close) and come in early around 5:30 most of the night crew and anyone else working aren't wearing masks. I will sometimes take it off in the back for a minute to either adjust it or some relief but not taking it fully off. 

I have so many customers who still come in unmasked. Even one guy who I'm shocked who wears his MAGA hat still. It's been really bad in the grocery store because the company after the incident involving the security guard shot for telling a couples daughter to weara mask in the store we can't say anything to customers. Now I've been left in charge of the store a few times for the last 2-3 hrs in spurts the last couple of months. Thanks to that whenever someone comes in without a mask (usually younger people) I can tell them to put a mask on or they can't come in. I've had a couple in their 40s a few times coming in no masks on late shopping who we had told during the day to wear masks so I guess they thought coming in at night was different. Nope I told them if they want to shop in here they need a mask. We can refuse service to anyone since we have the alternative of online shopping and curbside pick up. 

The issue here is a lot of my store to begin with coworkers wise is anti maskers, anti vaccinators and "just a flu" crowd so we don't have many coworkers calling the manager over for non maskers. Plus my SD hates confrontation and more afraid of losing business then anything else. I've though a few times calling OSHA and health department but at this point it's not worth it and I need the store open for the $$$ I need. 

Question though April 22nd is that your states date of going back to no mandatory masks? 

Dude, you should move to a non-rural part of South Jersey. Everyone seems to be compliant here. 

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