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Whatever they’re doing, it probably isn’t worth imitating. I think he’s from South Dakota. Like many of the Plains and neighboring northern Rocky Mountain States, they’ve had case rates among the highest in the nation, despite lower population densities than other hotspots.
From what I can tell, life is pretty much entirely back to normal here. No masks to be seen, everything at full capacity, people out and about, etc. It's kind of weird to think that there are still parts of the country that are doing this stuff.
That's correct. At one point last year, the Dakotas were literally the worst place on the planet for covid-19.
Yeah, I wish. I hope our midwest state joins the others that have ditched the restrictions soon. Or maybe it's just our county again? - I've honestly lost track and stopped looking.
As incredible as this may seem to some in other parts of the country, we’ve essentially been back to normal in my area for 15 months now. Some companies, like mine, still doing remote work but almost no restrictions on anything - school was in person all of LAST year, no businesses or schools with mask mandates and in person dining, bars, etc. all open.
I get the sentiment and it's frustrating but places like Chicago and NYC aren't replacing thousands of police/fire/EMT's. This is going to come back to bite those big cities in the ### hard. The ranks of those professions were in decline anyhow because of all the other crap going on surrounding them, now you're running out thousands and they won't be coming back.
North Dakota is ranked #24, basically at the US avg for deaths per unit of population. South Dakota is ranked #14 (which isn’t good) with 10% higher deaths per unit of population than the US avg.
Sitting down and discussing the topic with them instead of mandating it to see what you can do to educate and make the base more comfortable with the vaccine. Discuss prior infections and lend some weight to already having some natural immunity. Test and wear masks for those that are unvaccinated.
Yea, it is nuts to me that last April, we had these same death numbers and we basically sheltered in place for several weeks. Then we had these same numbers a year ago and we prepared ourselves for a long hard winter. And now, we have people basically rejoicing that things are over
I mean, things are basically over for me and my family. We’re vaccinated and boosted. Is our risk zero? Nope. But somehow a large portion of the country a) doesn’t want a vaccine, and b) wants life back to normal. Gee, who’s holding us back from normal?Yea, it is nuts to me that last April, we had these same death numbers and we basically sheltered in place for several weeks. Then we had these same numbers a year ago and we prepared ourselves for a long hard winter. And now, we have people basically rejoicing that things are over
I didn't say that, you asked for examples of how to handle differently than a all or nothing mandate and I gave some. If you're comfortable losing a third or more of your police force in a city like Chicago or NT that is already a war zone, by all means live with it but you don't have 4,000 recruits just itching to get out of the academy to replace them. I think it's short sighted and you have to do some out of the box thinking to mitigate the losses you are going to see.
True, but the difference is that this time last year, vaccines weren't widely available. Shutdowns, masks, etc. were all we had, and even then it was really a giant crap-shoot as to whether you would get covid-19 or not, and whether you would wind up on a ventilator or not.Yea, it is nuts to me that last April, we had these same death numbers and we basically sheltered in place for several weeks. Then we had these same numbers a year ago and we prepared ourselves for a long hard winter. And now, we have people basically rejoicing that things are over
In the early days of the vaccine rollout, I might have agreed that your approach made sense. But I think the past six months have demonstrated that it doesn't. First of all, carrots like bonuses and lotteries and free donuts haven't moved the needle enough. Vaccine mandates have. In addition, threats of mass resignations have generally failed to materialize. Unions talk a big game, but when it comes down to it, most people will get a jab before they give up their job.
I don't disagree, I think it's pretty stupid at this point that people are saying they are unsure if the vaccine is safe or not and we don't know long term effects, etc. 18 firehouses in NYC beg to differ with highlighted though.
Unfortunately I disagree here. I think the mandate is absolutely necessary and the only way to effectively move forward for the population as a whole. Discussions and education and incentives haven't worked and mandates are the only tool left to get people vaccinated to attempt to return to normalcy. Lots of things get "mandated" for the good of society and we don't blink much when it comes to that and the examples have obviously been listed multiple times (i.e. other vaccinations in general).
I think the two of us (and @gianmarco) are all mostly on the same page in terms of our desired outcomes. The two things we disagree on are a) the effectiveness of mandates in terms of driving more vaccinations (particularly relative to other methods of encouraging shots), and b) the potential of mass resignations over mandates. I believe the former is underestimated and the latter overestimated, and you feel the opposite, but ultimately we can't know for sure until we see how it all plays out.
No worries guys, I understand the sentiment and knew my opinion wasn't going to be popular. I hope I'm wrong but I am seeing too many jobs go unfilled that pay very well and don't require you to put your life on the line everyday. We're never going to make up these numbers unless something drastically changes and I don't see that happening given the current environment.
I invite @IvanKaramazov 's response to the following generalities:
Those are all-time data, and they include the period I mentioned earlier when the Dakotas were literally the single worst place on Earth if you were trying to avoid covid-19. Things are fine now. I mean, we have covid-19 cases, but they're no big deal thanks for vaccination.
This is fair, but it's worth nothing that none of those things spared us from a really horrific surge last winter. The Dakotas absolutely did not handle the pandemic well. Hardly any towns imposed mask mandates or anything resembling a lockdown -- my town did, but we were (I think) literally alone in our state. The results were pretty much exactly what you would expect: a massive spike in cases that you can still see in the data that @fatness mentioned. I strongly opposed my state's approach to the pandemic last year.
27 Places Are At The Highest COVID-19 Risk Level The Dakotas don't look fine.
But my point is that you’re making a big deal like these other places are on lockdown. Most places you are pretty much back to normal, it’s not the huge divide you make it out to be. Sure you have pockets in some states that are extreme but that’s far from the norm.
I feel for you bud, that's a #### situation at home with no good solution that you both are going to agree on. My wife is anti-vax as well but it's just us, our kids are long gone and she's told me if COVID is what takes her down then she's ready to meet Jesus. I don't even try. She is diligent on masking and limiting exposure and if she wants to live her life that way forever it's not worth the fight to try to convince her otherwise. After 27 years I know what I'm up against.
That's an awfully difficult situation to be in. I do admire your concern for your son and hope he stays healthy, and educated. Best of luck to you.
Articles that cite case counts aren't going to very persuasive now that covid-19 isn't particularly dangerous. Yes, I know, octogenarians with blood cancer are still at high risk from covid-19 even if they're fully vaccinated, but those folks are also at high risk from influenza and nobody considers it a national emergency. For the rest of us, covid has moved into the category of things we'd prefer not to catch but it isn't that big a deal.
Vaccine mandate in NYC went into effect two days ago.
Good to hear
I’d guess winter will be rough in SD and the other highly rural states. Holiday gatherings bringing together the normally isolated rural residents with family members from other more populated areas, especially college kids will cause big problems in the sparsely vaxxed areas.
Plus 6000 that applied for religious or medical exemptions who are awaiting their case to be heard.
Im calling our home a war zone. Im hoping (praying) Adams can clean this city up because DeBozo ruined it. The crime is ridiculous now.
Now try to wrap your head around a state where the complete opposite is true. That's where I'm at. They did a pretty decent job prior to having a vaccine, but have really struggled having the vaccine in hand.
It's now 89.
Here are some charts that show that some states seem to be particualry undercounting their death counts due to covid
Yeah but I’d they get rejected, they will have the same choice job vs. vax and I think most will still get the shot.
It's not a matter of not believing you, Ivan. I just have a different definition of normal than you do. Normal is the sickness and death rate before COVID hit, to me.
I live within a quick bike ride of the largest housing project in the US, and some kid on a bike delivered me a tuna poke bowl and some edamame at 2 am last night.
I mean Adams' #1 reason for winning the primary and the election was because hes an ex-cop that will be tough against crime and finally clean up this city. Or did you ignore the last 8 years.
A close younger friend in his 30s had a break through case as well, he got the monoclonal after about a week of suffering. He said he could tell the effects almost immediately and wished he had done it sooner. He said it increased his energy, but he was still below par for a couple of weeks after treatment.
Just got results, I do have breakthrough virus. I have a dr appt in a couple hours. One topic to be discussed is monoclonal. Can anyone offer suggestions? I consider myself in good shape, but a lot of muscle mass probably approaches the BMI threshold. If my symptoms are improved today do I just wait it out or is this the sort of treatment there's no harm in doing if available?
Hasn't crime been going down in NYC since the late 90's? Seems to be a spike this past year or so, but in general I thought NYC was one of the safest large cities in the world?
I was under the impression it was going from one of the deadliest to not one of the deadliest, but that might just be my metropolis bias.
Not a doctor and no direct experience with MCAs, but my understanding is that you should take them as soon as possible after you test positive, and they can make a substantial difference.
Just got results, I do have breakthrough virus. I have a dr appt in a couple hours. One topic to be discussed is monoclonal. Can anyone offer suggestions? I consider myself in good shape, but a lot of muscle mass probably approaches the BMI threshold. If my symptoms are improved today do I just wait it out or is this the sort of treatment there's no harm in doing if available?
