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3 minutes ago, culdeus said:

But by all means let's make them stay home from school for a year.  

My wife is already going crazy with just the thought of the kids being home for a month.  I sent her the length to the Japan school link.  She may single-handedly figure out a cure just to keep them from being home for a month.

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My dad has been sick for a few weeks.  My mom called me today to say he was about to die.  I said some final words to him and he could hear me but was unable to respond.  He passed a short time later.

Not to derail anything, but we had our baby last night! She's doing amazingly well. Due to the hospital's pandemic policies, I had to leave her right after my wife was released from recovery. I can't

On a positive note, my wife gave birth to our first child this morning!! We were expecting our daughter to be born in the first week of April, which does not align very well if this hospital sees a ma

3 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

So YOU are the guy worried about his portfolio! jvdesigndude was right!!!!

Seriously, you have to weigh the cost of not doing. Economy is going to take a hit regardless. Ours is not a strong economy right now, it looks good on paper but it's a house of cards and this is going to hit hard. Coupled with the shutdown you are seeing from China and the ripple effects from that. We have to understand this is going to be a new normal for a while until a vaccine is developed. Working from home is going to be a new norm for a lot of communities if some of the spread numbers are even close to true. The economy has to be focused on fighting this thing to have a real chance at getting ahead of it.

I'll put you down for "keep kids home until there is a vax" in the pole.  

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2 hours ago, culdeus said:

Someone needs to explain this.  Is this like aids or something.  You never completely shed it?

Not known for sure, but so far it's thought that these re-infection cases are very rare -- not indicative of the illness in general.

There are people whose immune systems don't produce sufficient antibodies after an initial bout of a given virus to prevent a second occurence. Some people get the same flu strain twice (or more), mononucleosis more than once, etc.

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17 hours ago, culdeus said:

If water really becomes a problem, we are at mad max level and Icon is going to need to start reloading ammo.

:lol: Abolutely true. I don't forsee a scenario where there are widespread or persistent water delivery issues. Even power will be kept on unless this has gone apocalyptic.

I've got a good bit of water as a JIC insurance, but I don't anticipate "Needing" it. We usually buy about 1000 0.5L bottles of water for the BBQfest booth. I just pre-bought a quarter of that and if it's not needed we will use at the booth. 

 

13 hours ago, culdeus said:

Korea has a test kit that is 80% accurate and does not require medical supervision.   And gives results in 15-30 minutes.   

People are smart.  

Korea is absolutely killing it. They have drive-thru testing stations around town now. You pull up to a tent, get tested, park, and get your results without getting out of your car. Brilliant. Meanwhile the CDC is still not even ALLOWING hospitals to test suspected cases unless the person has Wuhan tattooed on their forehead and on their deathbed. 
 

13 hours ago, Don Hutson said:

Not to go full-on prepper, but portable solar panels can now be bought for under $100.  It wouldn't take much electricity to charge cell phones and keep a deep freezer below 32 degrees Fahrenheit.  A 10 watt usb fan would also be easy to charge and could be a lifesaver in a hot climate.  Goal Zero has high quality portable solar stuff at moderate prices.  For solar panels, it's probably more cost effective to buy cheaper panels from Amazon.  But if you want to buy a portable power station (battery), you'll probably want to invest in Goal Zero because cheaper brands are all lemons.  Having a portable solar panel is also nice to have while camping or even at the beach for the day.  And a 10 watt fan can be the difference between a good night's sleep or a sweat-drenched restless night while summer camping.

I've not gotten to the buying a solar panel point, but I did realize my emergency weather radio (we're in tornado alley) has a small solar panel + handcrank and internal battery that can be used to charge phones if needed. Pretty slick for $20. 
 

10 hours ago, Penguin said:

This is what one of the DR's posted on Twitter

Bennett Penn @Penn_Laboratory

COVID-19 case just diagnosed in ICU our med center, suspected of being community acquired. I thought it'd be a while before this happened, but looks like it's time to buckle up...

Yeah, the fact that his guy sat in a hospital for over a week with COVID-19 and the CDC kept refusing to test him is insane. If he was badly symptomatic he could have been caught this in the wild anytime between Feb ~5th and Feb ~15th.

If this has been spreading in the wild since the first week of February, there are a LOT of contagious people walking around, and we are about to see a massive spike in cases as soon as the CDC decides to actually start doing their job

Read another story about a man who's wife cleans hotel rooms at a NY State Casino that has a lot of chinese guests. She's been sick for over a week and hospital finally admitted with High fever, Low O2 sats (poss. lung failure), etc. The hospital staff keep telling her "We CAN'T test you for Coronavirus". Husband is worried she might die. 
 

7 hours ago, msommer said:

What, you are not living in an off grid cabin in the woods with great sight lines?

9000 sqft Brick Cabin or GTFO. 
 

7 hours ago, msommer said:

IIRC what they can do at hspitals is symptom (and side issue/complication) treatment, right? Also IIRC symptom treatment is (mostly) lower the body temp and keep you hydrated, right?

Not advcating buying IV and saline, but I believe you can get isotonic powders ready to mix with boiled water for the hydration and for the lowering of bodytemp, it'smostly påaracetamol and similar (what normal people can get)? Thse two items may be interesting to add to a prep list if hospitals are overwhelmed with side/complication cases

IV and Saline are a bad idea for the average person for sure, but keeping fever down, mitigating coughing, and staying hydrated seem to be critical. Having supplies on hand to handle that is smart, as shortages will likely present themselves. 

Before it's asked, yes my buddy with the house has a full Med kit with case or two of saline and all necessary IV gear + Training to administer. :lol:  A mutual friend's family owns a chain of pediatric clinics and set him up last year sometime. 
 

7 hours ago, Tecumseh said:

So I just checked Delta's website. If I'm reading it correctly, IF Rome is put on their travel advisory list, it looks like we can reschedule without a change fee for up to 1 year. Would just have to pay the difference in the cost of the tickets, which is fine with me. Italian destinations currently on the list are Bologna, Milan, Turin and Venice.

https://www.delta.com/us/en/advisories/other-alerts/coronavirus-situation-in-italy

Awesome that Delta is doing this. My flights to Canada in 2+ weeks are on Delta. Good to know if it gets worse there, I should get credit (~$1k)
 

4 hours ago, Otis said:

Wow. From the NYTimes:

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan asked all of the country’s schools to close for a month to help contain the spread of the coronavirus. Here are the latest developments.

Love how Japan / China are handling this. Unfortunately their average citizen is way smarter / more responsible than the average american. I see a lot of numbskulls ignoring any CDC guidance to shelter in place, etc. 
 

2 hours ago, shadyridr said:

Did a bit of reading on this. Apparently similar to Dengue Fever where some folks don't develop proper antibodies, then when exposed again, the weak antibodies actually "help" the virus attack healthy cells... perhaps cytokine storm scenario? I'm no expert. @Terminalxylem prob can explain. 
 

1 hour ago, beer 30 said:

:goodposting: Water isn't one of the things I'm worried about.

South Korea is militant about this kind of stuff and the public does what they are told. Messaged with me friend on base just outside of Seoul last night, base is screening everyone coming and going at gates, restricting travel off post, shut down schools/church services/social gatherings last week and went virtual.

Smart move, can't see Olympics happening given the current backdrop. We may have weathered the worst of the storm by may/June but I don't think we'll be anywhere near declaring victory of this thing by then. You should be preparing for this in the States as well, virtual school should be one of the first things done if this starts to pop up in communities.

My Infrared BBQ Thermometer might come in handy! :lol: 

I'd be shocked if the Olympics happen... but we shall see. 

 

1 hour ago, culdeus said:

If kids don't die of this what is the point of closing schools?  It just becomes a cross contamination point?  If that is the case can you really re-open until a vax is ready?

Why can't we wall off the old people rather than the young?

 

1 hour ago, JerseyToughGuys said:

Containment. Daycares and schools are the worst when it comes to outbreaks. My kids would have escaped 90 percent of their routine illnesses had they been home schooled. 

Then you have grandparents getting sick when their sickly little grandchildren come to visit.

Bingo... :goodposting:by JTC.
 

53 minutes ago, Jobber said:

Though I agree on the kid thing, adults are just as bad in the workplace. This Monday, sitting at my desk at work, and a woman I know comes over to talk to the guy next to me. I hear her say "I went to the Minute Clinic Friday after work and tested positive for the flu. They gave me Tamiflu and I felt GREAT the next morning!". Not even putting one ounce of thought into those around her and that she's ####### contagious. 

So yeah, kids spread by accident, but adults spread due to selfishness and stupidity.

This kills me. Earlier in this thread I posted about a coworker Suk-Lee who went home to Malaysia as this was kicking off. Flew back via China. Self quarantined less than the mandatory 14 days because "I have onsite meeting!".

Last wed I came in, saw her, we talked briefly then she basically coughed in my direction from a bit away. I got up and left for the day. Came in Monday this week.. she's at her desk, much sicker. Coughing with a rattle, sneezing, sniffling, etc. Sent her ### home.

I know she prob doesn't have COVID, but how ####### dumb can you be to come into the office with those symptoms after flying thru China right now. 
 

49 minutes ago, msommer said:

Just learned that my sister is in self quarantine. Her closest co-worker was skiing in the region hit the hardest in Italy and he was just sent home from work by doctor's orders. He has the sniffles but no fever (and they won't test him until he does). So my sister's school is without principal and vice principal for the next two weeks or until he gets a fever and gets tested

Damn.. best wishes GB. I'm sure she's fine. Teachers have killer immune systems :) 


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2 hours ago, fantasycurse42 said:

O/U on cases at the end of March in the US?

Spitballing:

If you mean (a) confirmed cases and that (b) testing protocols get straightened out ... ~5,000 or so in the U.S. by 3/31/2020. It's a big country, so that's by no means a disastrous number of infections.

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1 hour ago, beer 30 said:
16 hours ago, Doug B said:

South Korea's critical-case rate is pretty incredible if even halfway accurate -- reporting 18 out of 1,261 cases. 98% of their cases don't even get to the serious/critical stage?

South Korea is militant about this kind of stuff and the public does what they are told. Messaged with me friend on base just outside of Seoul last night, base is screening everyone coming and going at gates, restricting travel off post, shut down schools/church services/social gatherings last week and went virtual.

Yeah, but that's just general guards against transmission. I don't get how these measure prevent the cases they do have from going critical.

Now, if South Korea is doing something special to specifically prevent the elderly from getting infected, that would make sense and account for the relative lack of severe-symptom cases.

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1 hour ago, shader said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/eric-feigl-ding-the-coronavirus-pandemic-is-inevitable/id1438148082?i=1000466793429
 

 

I highly recommend this podcast where a Harvard epidemiologist discusses this virus.

Thanks for posting this.  It was a great listen and points a bad picture of the testing situation here in the US, which is probably the only thing we can really be doing at this point.  

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1 minute ago, Doug B said:

Yeah, but that's just general guards against transmission. I don't get how these measure prevent the cases they do have from going critical.

Now, if South Korea is doing something special to specifically prevent the elderly from getting infected, that would make sense and account for the relative lack of severe-symptom cases.

Just listened to this podcast quoted earlier, I recommend we all do https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/eric-feigl-ding-the-coronavirus-pandemic-is-inevitable/id1438148082?i=1000466793429

One Chinese city has tested 320,000 people, SK is testing 10,000 a day. The US has tested less than 500. Chances are pretty good it's here already in numbers much greater than 60.

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Just now, [icon] said:

Speaking of Poles.... 

Rumors of quite a few more with Poland going the US/Iran head in sand route. 

Their government has been pretty unimpressive the past few years, but, the will of the people, etc.

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27 minutes ago, Don Hutson said:
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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/20/807483553/coronavirus-is-contagious-but-kids-seem-less-vulnerable-so-far

As the case count of coronavirus infections continues to rise in China, the number of reported infections among children is remarkably low.

...

It's possible that many more kids are infected but don't get sick enough to seek medical treatment. It's also possible that some infected children may develop no symptoms at all.

Based on my son's experience with swine flu in 2009, I totally buy into this. He had a fever and cough. That was it.

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This thread's moving too quick:

The two things I've seen over the past 24 hours are the lady in NoCal who got it without running into anyone.  And the lady in Japan who caught it a second time.  What's the thought with these in here?

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17 minutes ago, [icon] said:

This kills me. Earlier in this thread I posted about a coworker Suk-Lee who went home to Malaysia as this was kicking off. Flew back via China. Self quarantined less than the mandatory 14 days because "I have onsite meeting!".

 

:lmao:  Am I a bad bad person for laughing really hard at this?  (Stupid voice in my head that "acts out" quotes) :lmao:

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37 minutes ago, The General said:

I’ll be in NY, LA, back to NY, then SD in next month. Nice knowing you all, thanks for the laughs.

I'm traveling down to hospitals in Florida twice in March. RIP Nashville, with my luck I'm sure I'm some horrible super spreader.

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20 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Before it's asked, yes my buddy with the house has a full Med kit with case or two of saline and all necessary IV gear + Training to administer. :lol:  A mutual friend's family owns a chain of pediatric clinics and set him up last year sometime.

Sorry, man -- you're buddy is going to be featured on a NatGeo program at some point.

"That's great!
It starts with an earthquake,
Birds and snakes, an aeroplane;
and Lenny Bruce is not afraid. ..."

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17 minutes ago, Sand said:

Man charged $3300 for a coronavirus test in Miami.

I don't see Americans lining up for testing if this is the result.  Me included.

The test right now is a ####show, they basically have to do a full dna workup on you.  This should scale down soon.  In theory.

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9 minutes ago, TheIronSheik said:

This thread's moving too quick:

The two things I've seen over the past 24 hours are the lady in NoCal who got it without running into anyone.  And the lady in Japan who caught it a second time.  What's the thought with these in here?

1) Catching viral infections a second time is not common, but it's not so rare as to be suspicious. Some people's immune systems don't build immunity after one exposure.

2) I keep seeing the NoCal case as "unknown contact" or something like that. It's not so weird -- she caught it in her environment from someone who was carrying the virus (asymptomatic or not), and that someone got some virus onto something. Yes, in that neck of NoCal, containment is broken -- but it's not like she caught the virus by supernatural means.

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11 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

:lmao:  Am I a bad bad person for laughing really hard at this?  (Stupid voice in my head that "acts out" quotes) :lmao:

She is VERY "FOB-ish" Thick Thick accent. So your mental reading is likely very accurate. And yes, in context it makes me laugh too. :)

Unless I'm now dying because of her... then it's less funny :lol: 

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27 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

Not to be difficult, but I can't/don't fit podcasts into my life (really ... it's like that). Can you (or anyone) give the Cliffs here?

If not, I'll try to figure out some podcast app or something right before bed. Or else I'll nod off and forget about it. Seriously, to me ... telling me "listen to this podcast" is like telling me to "go look through this stack of microfilm at the library -- it's in there somewhere." Yeah, yeah ... it's 2020, I need to catch up and get in on podcasts. I know, I know. Well -- I haven't.

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28 minutes ago, Sand said:

Man charged $3300 for a coronavirus test in Miami.

I don't see Americans lining up for testing if this is the result.  Me included.

Something is off -- I thought people weren't getting tested merely for the asking?

EDIT: Never mind, he had been to China, which is one of the conditions of getting tested in the U.S.

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I mean I've been fighting a really odd respiratory thing for a few days after getting it from my kid.  Caused upper chest tightness that is unusual for me.

I can see this exact virus, if passed around could cause people to freak the hell out.

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19 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Sorry, man -- you're buddy is going to be featured on a NatGeo program at some point.

"That's great!
It starts with an earthquake,
Birds and snakes, an aeroplane;
and Lenny Bruce is not afraid. ..."

He's definitely on the high side of the scale. He's not one of those weirdos with bug out compounds and bunkers or shipping containers filled with shelves of weird canned crap, farm animals and such.... But he's definitely got his house loaded for bear (but stashed away, you'd never know if you were there). 

Contrary to mental images he's a Super normal guy, great guy, great friend. Definitely a great ally if #### somehow DOES hit the fan. 

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17 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Not to be difficult, but I can't/don't fit podcasts into my life (really ... it's like that). Can you (or anyone) give the Cliffs here?

If not, I'll try to figure out some podcast app or something right before bed. Or else I'll nod off and forget about it. Seriously, to me ... telling me "listen to this podcast" is like telling me to "go look through this stack of microfilm at the library -- it's in there somewhere." Yeah, yeah ... it's 2020, I need to catch up and get in on podcasts. I know, I know. Well -- I haven't.

A pandemic is going to happen and community spread is likely already here.  More infectious then the flu.  The US system of testing is ####ed up and way behind the game compared to what S. Korea and China are doing.  Don't go panic shopping but not bad idea to stock up on some non-perishable goods.  Masks aren't really necessary or helpful but he wouldn't say don't buy them if you can find them. Guy was worried on scale of 6 of 10 and major focus was testing needs to be significantly improved so they can slow spread until vaccine is ready.  Biggest risk is overstretching the health case system which is not designed to handle such a load of cases.  We can't just go build a hospital in a week like China. 

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2 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

A pandemic is going to happen and community spread is likely already here.  More infectious then the flu.  The US system of testing is ####ed up and way behind the game compared to what S. Korea and China are doing.  Don't go panic shopping but not bad idea to stock up on some non-perishable goods.  Masks aren't really necessary or helpful but he wouldn't say don't buy them if you can find them. Guy was worried on scale of 6 of 10 and major focus was testing needs to be significantly improved so they can slow spread until vaccine is ready.  Biggest risk is overstretching the health case system which is not designed to handle such a load of cases.  We can't just go build a hospital in a week like China. 

Not to mention, going to the hospital for a week in the US costs way too much for your average person. Let alone someone without insurance. 

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Went to Costco this morning right as it opened to cash my annual rewards check. Big mistake. It's usually dead on weekdays right at the opening. Not today. Full-on doomsday prepper convention. Parking lot looked like the Saturday afternoon before the Fourth of July.

So I'm standing at the customer service counter waiting for them to write me a check, and some old dude comes rolling by with his cart so full he can barely push it. It's overflowing top and bottom with a single item:  Clorox disinfectant wipes. Had to be hundreds of those jugs in there.

So he catches me looking at him and shaking my head, and the following conversation takes place:

Him (angrily): "What?"
Me: "Really?"

Him: "******* right! Don't come knocking on my door when the **** hits the fan!"
 

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It's pretty unbelievable that South Korea is so much more advanced than us on this. They probably should've been number one on whatever study Trump held up last night during his press conference. 

But don't worry, Mike Pence is on the case. I wouldn't want this guy as the treasurer of our school's PTA, but he is apparently the Covid 19 Czar right now.

Why is Pence the guy anyways? My instinct says if we experience a bad breakout, Trump runs with someone else as their VP in the fall. He's kind of like an evil genius and Pence will be the fall guy. 

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Just now, Jobber said:

Not to mention, going to the hospital for a week in the US costs way too much for your average person. Let alone someone without insurance. 

And most people can’t take time off work without getting fired/being broke. Our whole stupid country is so ill prepared for this. 

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Just now, BeTheMatch said:

Went to Costco this morning right as it opened to cash my annual rewards check. Big mistake. It's usually dead on weekdays right at the opening. Not today. Full-on doomsday prepper convention. Parking lot looked like the Saturday afternoon before the Fourth of July.

So I'm standing at the customer service counter waiting for them to write me a check, and some old dude comes rolling by with his cart so full he can barely push it. It's overflowing top and bottom with a single item:  Clorox disinfectant wipes. Had to be hundreds of those jugs in there.

So he catches me looking at him and shaking my head, and the following conversation takes place:

Him (angrily): "What?"
Me: "Really?"

Him: "******* right! Don't come knocking on my door when the **** hits the fan!"
 

You should have answered him back "I won't come knocking, I'm coming guns blazing!" just to see the guy blow a gasket. 

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6 minutes ago, [icon] said:

He's definitely on the high side of the scale. He's not one of those weirdos with bug out compounds and bunkers or shipping containers filled with shelves of weird canned crap, farm animals and such.... But he's definitely got his house loaded for bear (but stashed away, you'd never know if you were there). 

Contrary to mental images he's a Super normal guy, great guy, great friend. Definitely a great ally if #### somehow DOES hit the fan. 

The parts in red actually make it WORSE. :D  "Secret crazy" trumps "known crazy" seven days a week.

 

(I know your friend's not actually insane)

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1 minute ago, fantasycurse42 said:

Why is Pence the guy anyways? My instinct says if we experience a bad breakout, Trump runs with someone else as their VP in the fall. He's kind of like an evil genius and Pence will be the fall guy. 

That is 100 percent the reason why.

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Just now, BeTheMatch said:

Went to Costco this morning right as it opened to cash my annual rewards check. Big mistake. It's usually dead on weekdays right at the opening. Not today. Full-on doomsday prepper convention. Parking lot looked like the Saturday afternoon before the Fourth of July.

So I'm standing at the customer service counter waiting for them to write me a check, and some old dude comes rolling by with his cart so full he can barely push it. It's overflowing top and bottom with a single item:  Clorox disinfectant wipes. Had to be hundreds of those jugs in there.

So he catches me looking at him and shaking my head, and the following conversation takes place:

Him (angrily): "What?"
Me: "Really?"

Him: "******* right! Don't come knocking on my door when the **** hits the fan!"
 

I went to Whole Foods last night; I had to make two trips for all the water, then loaded up on canned goods. People were looking at me like I was insane :shrug:

Place was nice and empty, got prepared, now I'm done. 

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2 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

It's pretty unbelievable that South Korea is so much more advanced than us on this. They probably should've been number one on whatever study Trump held up last night during his press conference. 

But don't worry, Mike Pence is on the case. I wouldn't want this guy as the treasurer of our school's PTA, but he is apparently the Covid 19 Czar right now.

Why is Pence the guy anyways? My instinct says if we experience a bad breakout, Trump runs with someone else as their VP in the fall. He's kind of like an evil genius and Pence will be the fall guy. 

Trump wants him out as VP so that if somehow he gets impeached he has fresh blood in that seat to take over.  /conspiracy

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2 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Not to be difficult, but I can't/don't fit podcasts into my life (really ... it's like that). Can you (or anyone) give the Cliffs here?

If not, I'll try to figure out some podcast app or something right before bed. Or else I'll nod off and forget about it. Seriously, to me ... telling me "listen to this podcast" is like telling me to "go look through this stack of microfilm at the library -- it's in there somewhere." Yeah, yeah ... it's 2020, I need to catch up and get in on podcasts. I know, I know. Well -- I haven't.

:lmao: I get it GB, they aren't for everybody. A lot of info in there to summarize. You do Twitter? Follow this guy https://twitter.com/DrEricDing

He was the guy being interviewed on the podcast and has tweeted a lot of the same stats on his feed.

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5 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

A pandemic is going to happen and community spread is likely already here.  More infectious then the flu.  The US system of testing is ####ed up and way behind the game compared to what S. Korea and China are doing.  Don't go panic shopping but not bad idea to stock up on some non-perishable goodsMasks aren't really necessary or helpful but he wouldn't say don't buy them if you can find them. Guy was worried on scale of 6 of 10 and major focus was testing needs to be significantly improved so they can slow spread until vaccine is ready.  Biggest risk is overstretching the health case system which is not designed to handle such a load of cases.  We can't just go build a hospital in a week like China. 

Thanks for posting this, Redwes. So ... Dr. Feigl-Ding has been reading this thread?

Some of his advice is contradictory -- see bolded in red & blue above.

 

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9 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

A pandemic is going to happen and community spread is likely already here.  More infectious then the flu.  The US system of testing is ####ed up and way behind the game compared to what S. Korea and China are doing.  Don't go panic shopping but not bad idea to stock up on some non-perishable goods.  Masks aren't really necessary or helpful but he wouldn't say don't buy them if you can find them. Guy was worried on scale of 6 of 10 and major focus was testing needs to be significantly improved so they can slow spread until vaccine is ready.  Biggest risk is overstretching the health case system which is not designed to handle such a load of cases.  We can't just go build a hospital in a week like China. 

I believe he said one of his colleagues at Harvard said that with in a year 40-60% of the world will be infected.  

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3 minutes ago, adonis said:

How long before we have groups that get together and purposefully infect their kids like some parents do with chickenpox, just to get it out of the way in a controlled manner?

Considering you can get it more than once, like the flu, I'm not sure this would make sense.

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