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10 minutes ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

Damn. 

A few things that stuck out to me from that:

  • Specialists seeing a large number of these patients and saying "we don't know what's causing their symptoms"
  • They think the immune system might still be in overdrive months after the infection
  • Autopsy results showing damage to heart, brain, liver, kidneys, lungs and unprecedented blood clotting in major organs
  • NONE of the patients they've seen have have recovered fully yet; some are 90-95%

Jeeeeez. Would be interesting to see the numbers of long haul symptoms vs the total number of cases as a percentage.  Either way, other than maybe some lagging fatigue, I don't recall ever hearing anything like that for, well, just the flu. 

Another thing is that these are people that used to be active (runners, workout folks) and now can't even get back to it.  That's disturbing. 

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My dad has been sick for a few weeks.  My mom called me today to say he was about to die.  I said some final words to him and he could hear me but was unable to respond.  He passed a short time later.

Not to derail anything, but we had our baby last night! She's doing amazingly well. Due to the hospital's pandemic policies, I had to leave her right after my wife was released from recovery. I can't

On a positive note, my wife gave birth to our first child this morning!! We were expecting our daughter to be born in the first week of April, which does not align very well if this hospital sees a ma

2 hours ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

found this while researching... pretty interesting survey results (although fairly small sample size, which may be even more telling I suppose) on "Long Haul" symptoms:

COVID-19 “Long Hauler” Symptoms Survey Report

Speaking of long haul, a small study of folks that are contagious up to 2 months after contracting.  These are immuno-suppressed folks, which makes sense.  I've seen these patients not at the top of the distribution lists, but personally think they should be right up there with nurses, etc.  They seem to be a dangerous vector.

Also, not related - not sure if this was discusses, but an article in Clinical Infection Diseases confirms that COVID was knocking around in the US since December.   I could swear I got it in late January, so maybe I'm not so crazy after all.

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3 hours ago, gianmarco said:

I missed it.  Have the link?

I quit searching here in the 10s.  Something about how the lh non tasters can't taste the sweet parts of the drinks, like at all, so they return them under the return policy.  The baristas have to eat that.   So to speak.  

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Another sobering statistic: To date, the US CDC reports 13.30 million total cases and 266,051 deaths. The US surpassed 13 million cumulative cases on November 28. From the first case reported in the US on January 22, it took 96 days to reach 1 million cases. From there:

1 to 2 million- 44 days

2 to 3 million- 27 days 

3 to 4 million- 15 days

4 to 5 million- 17 days

5 to 6 million- 22 days

6 to 7 million- 25 days

7 to 8 million- 21 days

8 to 9 million- 14 days

9 to 10 million- 10 days

10 to 11 million- 7 days

11 to 12 million- 5 days

12 to 13 million- 7 days

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4 hours ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

Talked  to a friend recently who had Covid a couple of months ago. Her infection wasn't bad, she didn't even go to the doctor. But she knew she had it because she works in a health care related profession so has constant risk of exposure despite taking all the possible precautions, and at first it was just normal very mild cold symptoms but then when she completely lost the ability to taste and smell she knew what she had.  I asked her if she noticed any lingering effects. She said she had JUST gotten her senses of taste and smell back (almost two months later). She said she gets tingly sensations in her extremities sometimes. She said she has a sensation occasionally, best way she could describe it, like her head was in a tunnel. But the most annoying thing she said, was annoying leg cramps daily, despite drinking tons of water and wearing compression stockings to try and alleviate the cramping.

Has anyone else who's had it (or knows someone who has) experienced the leg cramping or the Head TunnelTM or tingly sensations? Just curious. 

Tell her to check for DVT, a quick check can be done with a sonogram. 

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I haven't posted in here in awhile. A few things:

1. My boss seems uninterested in telling people to put masks on. I've literally seen him walk past people with non on and say nothing. He also hates confrontation. We as employees were told by company to inform management and not to confront customers but I'm at the point I'm ready to say something to customers and if asked why I did I'll just say I'm not talking till I have Union representation 

2. People do not keep their distance at all. Recently am now helping Produce (Given some issues and lack of help and my brother use to work for the manager over there) loading bananas today and I have people all up in my face climbing over me no excuse me or sorry. It was also Senior day. Last week loading potatoes and onions I'm kneeling to put some stuff up older guy gets right up to me when I look up at him his crouch is literally in my face. YES YOU READ THAT RIGHT.  

3. We haven't gotten any hazard pay since June of any kind. 

4. A lot of my coworkers are frustrated including me with the lack of awareness or consideration. We've stopped sanitizing carts (left it to the cart people which is a bad move), we need to start limiting customers again and go back to one entrance, and sanitizing all day again. Way too many employees as well with no mask on in the back rooms or not wearing them correctly as well. 

5. One of the issues is the ASD who I really really liked as a manager and a person she left for a new gig in the company but got her own store in the last month. Since she's been gone it's gone to :censored: in terms of safety and all. 

6. One of the newer girls who is about to turn 21 was gonna come work Liquor with me but informed me Wednesday night of last week it was her last day. She didn't feel safe with cases rising and the aforementioned above issues at the store. plus she's around family members who are high risk. 

7. I'm at the point if things continue to go down hill I might just inform HR, my Union or someone. They'll ask if I talked to my SD about the issues and honestly all I have to tell them is "try working with the guy. Even issues in the work place about other stuff he either throws onto the ASD's, department heads or barely gives yo the time of day. Also if you do track him down long enough he ends up forgetting about it with in 2 days. So I'm stuck calling you and asking you to solve this. And trust me I've spent numerous times over the yrs trying to discuss stuff with him and it never works till I get the union or someone who will sit him down and discuss things." He seems more concerned about the bottom line then our safety. Plus we can tell people they have to leave if no masks as we have other ways to provide service for them. 

I also had my Liquor department manager go out sick. She was not well on Saturday before Thanksgiving. I wasn't around her enough but my back up was who I've been with. Do to HIPPA we weren't even informed if she had covid or not. I feel despite those laws if you were around someone who tested positive I HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW TO PROTECT MYSELF AS WELL AS OTHeRS AROUND ME. Really at a loss what to do anymore and begging we just get some sort of relief in form of a vaccine soon. Even with my Aspergers I must say up until this point I've handled a lot of this well and better then I thought I would. However these days its getting tougher especially those who you think are suppose to protect you aren't 

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6 hours ago, Kao-Lin said:

Speaking of long haul, a small study of folks that are contagious up to 2 months after contracting.  These are immuno-suppressed folks, which makes sense.  I've seen these patients not at the top of the distribution lists, but personally think they should be right up there with nurses, etc.  They seem to be a dangerous vector.

Also, not related - not sure if this was discusses, but an article in Clinical Infection Diseases confirms that COVID was knocking around in the US since December.   I could swear I got it in late January, so maybe I'm not so crazy after all.

I could've sworn I had it in December last year. I had a few of the systems. I never lost taste or smell but had a fever for a day that went away, dry cough and found myself at work having to sit more as I was out of breath/fatigued more. We had something go around the whole store and I'm thinking we got it. I got sick shortly after seeing a friend of mine who had come home from teaching in China right before the mess became public. Maybe just a coincidence and I know he's not someone if he knew he had something wouldn't have gone out either. 

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Oregon Oncology Nurse put on Administration leaving after tiktok video bragging about not wearing a mask

Nurse posted a video on TikTok flouting how she was being a "rebel" not listening to state mandates while not working in her scrubs and all. This nurse works with cancer patients (you know some of the most at risk for this Virus) and seemed proud of herself. My Friend's daughter 2 has cancer and I can only imagine his reaction if he found out something like this from one of the people taking care of his daughter. I know what he'd do because he'd end up on national news for it. My mom works with cancer patients too so this hits pretty close to me. There's no question she needs to lose her license as a nurse for life. Unfortunate but yes these anti maskers and this is a hoax and "MuAh RiGtHs" crowd are amongst drs and nurses and first reposnders.  

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18 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

I made some of these early on. Mentioned this to biff in this thread. Even with making the cube design,  I still found that this moved far more air. You can make your own replacement filters using merv 13s to make them far cheaper.  

Break that down for me on how to make a cheaper replacement filter.

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You don't say...

Coronavirus Was In U.S. Weeks Earlier Than Previously Known, Study Says

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The coronavirus was present in the U.S. weeks earlier than scientists and public health officials previously thought, and before cases in China were publicly identified, according to a new government study published Monday.

 

 

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"SARS-CoV-2 infections may have been present in the U.S. in December 2019, earlier than previously recognized," the authors said.

This discovery adds to evidence that the virus was quietly spreading around the world before health officials and the public were aware, disrupting previous thinking of how the illness first emerged and how it has since evolved. It also shows the virus's presence in U.S. communities likely didn't start with the first case identified case in January.

 

 

 

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Researchers found coronavirus antibodies in 39 samples from California, Oregon, and Washington as early as Dec. 13 to Dec. 16. 

 

The hits just keep coming.

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My brother was in the hospital last December, from just after Christmas to late January with what they said was the flu but it was unlike anything he had ever had before. He really isn't financially secure and is still paying off the hospital bill. Is there any way to find out now if it was Covid back then and would he somehow qualify for some kind of pandemic assistance to help with the bills?

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1 hour ago, The Z Machine said:

Break that down for me on how to make a cheaper replacement filter.

Depends how fancy you want to get, but here is a good write up.

I am actually going pick up a shop vac hepa today, that based on the posted dimensions should be an almost perfect fit unrolled. I will update if it fits. 

Yes. I am a little bored. 

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Fantastic.  We went from being proactive as a store and managers feeling proud of how we are handling stuff, do basically not doing anything if there is a positive case in the store.    

We had a kid call back that was positive on Tues who worked all weekend with a lot of the staff.   GM had sore throat, mild cough on Tuesday and decided to play it safe and get tested.  Owner is basically just waiting for GM's results, but not informing other staff that they were probably exposed.    I get not naming names, but IMO it's pretty messed up to not inform people that it was a possibility and let them make their choices.   Looks like we are probably losing one manager over this decision as he called and said he's not OK with that or comfortable with that.  

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27 minutes ago, culdeus said:

Why does this matter, why should I care?

I don't expect people to care. No one seems to care when they've been lied to for months only to find out the truth after an objective has been achieved. People probably should care about how this was manipulated but they won't. Twice now this week the truth has come out about two very important facts about this pandemic - China coverup and timeline in the United States. Facts that were being shared here way back in March and April and loudly shouted down. Just because I don't expect it to make a bit of difference, doesn't mean I'm any less compelled to remind people that this knowledge was out there from the start.

The very fact that no one cares is exactly why this manipulation will continue and will be successful.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

I don't expect people to care. No one seems to care when they've been lied to for months only to find out the truth after an objective has been achieved. People probably should care about how this was manipulated but they won't. Twice now this week the truth has come out about two very important facts about this pandemic - China coverup and timeline in the United States. Facts that were being shared here way back in March and April and loudly shouted down. Just because I don't expect it to make a bit of difference, doesn't mean I'm any less compelled to remind people that this knowledge was out there from the start.

The very fact that no one cares is exactly why this manipulation will continue and will be successful.

Ok, it was in the US earlier than we thought.  Neat.

What does that matter now?  This seems to be some talking point people want to promote, but why?  What action should we take with this information?

The virus was documented to the WHO exactly 12 months ago today I believe.  It's not like it's some shock that it flew undetected to our shores shortly thereafter.  The fact that it came in the middle of flu season would have obscured it's detection as a novel flu. 

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2 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Because apparently a third or so of the people in this thread were part of the statistically microscopic handful of people who had covid before it became a big thing.  FBGs are huge outliers that way.

FluA last year had a lot of the same covid-19 symptoms less the no-taste thing.  I was pretty convinced I had it until the no taste thing became the defining feature.  Plus, antibody testing was negative later.  

If you kept your taste/smell thru a flu like illness then you can pretty well assume you never got the thing short of an antibody test saying otherwise.  

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It's not like both of these facts (China coverup and much earlier arrival in US) weren't being reported by reputable sources. 60 Minutes Australia ran a piece about this at the outset. But 60 Minutes US didn't run it for some strange reason. Not really, the reason is obvious. The sad part is, no one cares that they were lied to.

And there are more to come.

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4 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

It's not like both of these facts (China coverup and much earlier arrival in US) weren't being reported by reputable sources. 60 Minutes Australia ran a piece about this at the outset. But 60 Minutes US didn't run it for some strange reason. Not really, the reason is obvious. The sad part is, no one cares that they were lied to.

And there are more to come.

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54 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

I don't expect people to care. No one seems to care when they've been lied to for months only to find out the truth after an objective has been achieved. People probably should care about how this was manipulated but they won't. Twice now this week the truth has come out about two very important facts about this pandemic - China coverup and timeline in the United States. Facts that were being shared here way back in March and April and loudly shouted down. Just because I don't expect it to make a bit of difference, doesn't mean I'm any less compelled to remind people that this knowledge was out there from the start.

The very fact that no one cares is exactly why this manipulation will continue and will be successful.

I'm not sure what you are referring to about the "lied to" part, but I do distinctly recall the early reporting (March-April time frame) of the studies of all the lab samples, etc., proving that, based on the samples studied AT THAT TIME, that there were zero indicators of Covid being present prior to January (I think it was January at the time, I could be mistaken on that).  That wasn't lies. It was factual information based on what they had at the time. They've studied more samples, yielding new timeline-altering data now. :shrug: 

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14 hours ago, Dezbelief said:

Tell her to check for DVT, a quick check can be done with a sonogram. 

Thanks GB. Yep, I cautioned her about leg pain, etc. after reading and watching all that yesterday. She's familiar with DVT and how to monitor for symptoms. 

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1 minute ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

I'm not sure what you are referring to about the "lied to" part, but I do distinctly recall the early reporting (March-April time frame) of the studies of all the lab samples, etc., proving that, based on the samples studied AT THAT TIME, that there were zero indicators of Covid being present prior to January (I think it was January at the time, I could be mistaken on that).  That wasn't lies. It was factual information based on what they had at the time. They've studied more samples, yielding new timeline-altering data now. :shrug: 

Sorry but this is wrong.  Look back in March of this thread and there was doctor at a Washington state hospital that was reprimanded for pursuing the fact she was finding Covid indicators well before the "officals" claimed it had arrived.

A few pages back we got into why so many people don't trust the "experts"...this is why.  People were shamed, told to shut up, and that it was a "fact" that Covid was not here earlier.  Go look at the discussion in this thread about someone (don't remember the user) identifying this issue in Las Vegas (as seen in the ER) a month before it was supposed to have been in this country.  Go look at the responses to him. 

Add this to masks don't work, etc and I completely understand why a lot of people question the directives from the "experts".  In fact I am becoming more curious all the time why more people are not carefully looking at the newest statements by the "experts".  How about we needed to shut down factories so we could produce enough ventilators for everyone only to determine that using them makes the patients more likely to die and they are only used as a last resort now.

I said this last March and feel same now...this is a new disease and we really do not know a whole lot about it.  So taking things as fact from "experts" needs to be evaluated carefully and not just blindly followed.

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1 hour ago, culdeus said:

Why does this matter, why should I care?

 

38 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Because apparently a third or so of the people in this thread were part of the statistically microscopic handful of people who had covid before it became a big thing.  FBGs are huge outliers that way.

Don't want to get into a pissing match over it but it does matter to me. I've said earlier that I had all the symptoms of COVID over Christmas last year but was told it was impossible to have had it then because the timelines didn't meet up. I was tested for both Flu A & B and tested negative, ultimately diagnosed with bronchitis. I was wiped out, couldn't get out of bed for 5 days, didn't eat, just felt beat down. This started Christmas day, the next day my wife came down with it and went through the same. Took a full 10 days for me to start feeling right again and still think I have some lingering flehm issues from this. Would be nice to know if I had it or not.

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1 minute ago, Ksquared said:

Sorry but this is wrong.  Look back in March of this thread and there was doctor at a Washington state hospital that was reprimanded for pursuing the fact she was finding Covid indicators well before the "officals" claimed it had arrived.

A few pages back we got into why so many people don't trust the "experts"...this is why.  People were shamed, told to shut up, and that it was a "fact" that Covid was not here earlier.  Go look at the discussion in this thread about someone (don't remember the user) identifying this issue in Las Vegas (as seen in the ER) a month before it was supposed to have been in this country.  Go look at the responses to him. 

Add this to masks don't work, etc and I completely understand why a lot of people question the directives from the "experts".  In fact I am becoming more curious all the time why more people are not carefully looking at the newest statements by the "experts".  How about we needed to shut down factories so we could produce enough ventilators for everyone only to determine that using them makes the patients more likely to die and they are only used as a last resort now.

I said this last March and feel same now...this is a new disease and we really do not know a whole lot about it.  So taking things as fact from "experts" needs to be evaluated carefully and not just blindly followed.

No, it's not wrong. I'm not disputing that there were one-off reports here and there, but the overwhelming majority of scientific evidence at that time provided no SOLID proof that there was wide spread prior to the time in question. I forget the name of the organization now, but they were studying all of the lab samples they could get their hands on at the time. It was easy to surmise back then based on anecdotal evidence, but the ACTUAL evidence at the time provided little backing for those claims. Now, am I surprised that ~6 months later more data has become available that extends the timeline? Of course not. Arguing now vs. 6 months ago just isn't a good comparison, IMO. We know way more about all facets of this virus than we did back then. And FTR, I was not one of the ones that shamed anyone, just stating what I remember from back then, as I think I was one of the ones that posted the links to the studies being done back then. 

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5 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

 

Don't want to get into a pissing match over it but it does matter to me. I've said earlier that I had all the symptoms of COVID over Christmas last year but was told it was impossible to have had it then because the timelines didn't meet up. I was tested for both Flu A & B and tested negative, ultimately diagnosed with bronchitis. I was wiped out, couldn't get out of bed for 5 days, didn't eat, just felt beat down. This started Christmas day, the next day my wife came down with it and went through the same. Took a full 10 days for me to start feeling right again and still think I have some lingering flehm issues from this. Would be nice to know if I had it or not.

I don't blame you, I'd want to get tested also. But what I also keep in mind is that, just using our LA numbers for example, we have over 3MM tests done and our positivity rate is ~6%. That means, even if you leave a little wiggle room (say 4%) for false negatives and required screenings, there are still 90% of that 3MM that did not have Covid, they had something else. Other bugs (flu, common cold corona, etc.) are still circulating as well. 

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33 minutes ago, Ksquared said:

Go look at the discussion in this thread about someone (don't remember the user) identifying this issue in Las Vegas (as seen in the ER) a month before it was supposed to have been in this country.  Go look at the responses to him. 

He would like to remain anonymous

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38 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

 

Don't want to get into a pissing match over it but it does matter to me. I've said earlier that I had all the symptoms of COVID over Christmas last year but was told it was impossible to have had it then because the timelines didn't meet up. I was tested for both Flu A & B and tested negative, ultimately diagnosed with bronchitis. I was wiped out, couldn't get out of bed for 5 days, didn't eat, just felt beat down. This started Christmas day, the next day my wife came down with it and went through the same. Took a full 10 days for me to start feeling right again and still think I have some lingering flehm issues from this. Would be nice to know if I had it or not.

I mean the antibody tests were available as soon as April.  There are now ones with 9 month lookbacks.  Instead of looking at conspiracy theories and wondering go get one.

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36 minutes ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

No, it's not wrong. I'm not disputing that there were one-off reports here and there, but the overwhelming majority of scientific evidence at that time provided no SOLID proof that there was wide spread prior to the time in question

Widespread is kind of moving the goal posts here. 

 

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48 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

 

Don't want to get into a pissing match over it but it does matter to me. I've said earlier that I had all the symptoms of COVID over Christmas last year but was told it was impossible to have had it then because the timelines didn't meet up. I was tested for both Flu A & B and tested negative, ultimately diagnosed with bronchitis. I was wiped out, couldn't get out of bed for 5 days, didn't eat, just felt beat down. This started Christmas day, the next day my wife came down with it and went through the same. Took a full 10 days for me to start feeling right again and still think I have some lingering flehm issues from this. Would be nice to know if I had it or not.

Why don't you go check????

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52 minutes ago, beer 30 said:

 

Don't want to get into a pissing match over it but it does matter to me. I've said earlier that I had all the symptoms of COVID over Christmas last year but was told it was impossible to have had it then because the timelines didn't meet up. I was tested for both Flu A & B and tested negative, ultimately diagnosed with bronchitis. I was wiped out, couldn't get out of bed for 5 days, didn't eat, just felt beat down. This started Christmas day, the next day my wife came down with it and went through the same. Took a full 10 days for me to start feeling right again and still think I have some lingering flehm issues from this. Would be nice to know if I had it or not.

I had the same thing. Worse sickness I ever had. Same time frame as well. I was still coughing a month later. My son got it, my father in law, my brother in law... I tested negative for antibodies in June. My son is NOW COVID positive. I don't think it really matters if we had it in December at this point. The antibodies (at least to my understanding) vary from person to person how long they stay and re-infection in individuals has been confirmed.

 

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1 hour ago, Mr Anonymous said:

It's not like both of these facts (China coverup and much earlier arrival in US) weren't being reported by reputable sources. 60 Minutes Australia ran a piece about this at the outset. But 60 Minutes US didn't run it for some strange reason. Not really, the reason is obvious. The sad part is, no one cares that they were lied to.

And there are more to come.

I think pretty much everyone knew China was covering it up.  It's China.  

Covid being here earlier than reported is an interesting fact, but I don't know how it really applies to life today.  A person that was sick in December/January still was unlikely to have had covid, and if anyone truly thinks they were, they can go get tested.  I've got a friend who says the same thing.  He's sure he got it in January, but he won't go get an antibody test.

 

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Just now, top dog said:

I had the same thing. Worse sickness I ever had. Same time frame as well. I was still coughing a month later. My son got it, my father in law, my brother in law... I tested negative for antibodies in June. My son is NOW COVID positive. I don't think it really matters if we had it in December at this point. The antibodies (at least to my understanding) vary from person to person how long they stay and re-infection in individuals has been confirmed.

 

If you were negative in June, you almost assuredly did not have it.  Also, while re-infection can happen, it's quite rare and from what I gather they are still figuring that part out.  But our bodies produce antibodies in responses to sicknesses and usually those antibodies prevent us from getting them again.  

 

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Sooooo, no talk about this? Are we allowed to dare call this good news?

@BBCBreakfast: BREAKING: The Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine has been approved for use in the UK by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency. More details on #BBCBreakfast. 
https://bbc.in/3qj2pXZ https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1334030951597420544/video/1

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2 minutes ago, top dog said:

I had the same thing. Worse sickness I ever had. Same time frame as well. I was still coughing a month later. My son got it, my father in law, my brother in law... I tested negative for antibodies in June. My son is NOW COVID positive. I don't think it really matters if we had it in December at this point. The antibodies (at least to my understanding) vary from person to person how long they stay and re-infection in individuals has been confirmed.

 

 

Good point. Early on my sister was convinced she had covid last year after she returned from San Francisco in late October.  I told her that really didn't line up with the timing, but I wasn't totally dismissive because who the heck knows anyway.  Even with this news, I find it incredibly unlikely that she got it last year. 

She ended up getting a confirmed case last month, so for the sake of argument, I wouldn't think anything you had last year gives you a free pass now,  because it probably wasn't covid, and if it was we don't know if the immunity lasts over a year in most people

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20 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Now up to 2 clients and 1 staff positive. Have a feeling gonna spread to all soon. Facility is basically 3 apartments separated by double doors...2 clients affected were in apartments on opposite ends and had no direct contact to my knowledge.

Both clients now hospitalized 😢 2nd one  was rushed to ER apparently this AM. Believe he's 80-81 years old....though you'd never ever guess it by how quickly he gets around.

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Update on our work outbreak. 15 people in or near the office where the outbreak was. 13 people got it. 2 were hospitalized, one of which has come home with oxygen. The 2 people who didn't get it? The 2 DIABETICS right in the thick of all the sickness.

How the hell is that possible? I guess the good lord was looking out for those 2.

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16 minutes ago, JaxBill said:

Sooooo, no talk about this? Are we allowed to dare call this good news?

@BBCBreakfast: BREAKING: The Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine has been approved for use in the UK by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency. More details on #BBCBreakfast. 
https://bbc.in/3qj2pXZ https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1334030951597420544/video/1

didn't 28 Days Later take place in the UK:oldunsure:

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1 hour ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

I don't blame you, I'd want to get tested also. But what I also keep in mind is that, just using our LA numbers for example, we have over 3MM tests done and our positivity rate is ~6%. That means, even if you leave a little wiggle room (say 4%) for false negatives and required screenings, there are still 90% of that 3MM that did not have Covid, they had something else. Other bugs (flu, common cold corona, etc.) are still circulating as well. 

Yea I hear you and while I might be identified as conspiracy guy for this belief, in truth, I just don't get sick...ever. While I was laid up I had lots of time to think and the last time I had the flu I was about 34 years ago (I'm 56 now). I've had a cold probably 3-4 times over those years. Coupled with testing negative for the flu, to get as sick as I did was just really out of the ordinary for me. My daughter had just come back from being in NY for a week and had a cold. We saw her on Monday, Tuesday was fine, Wednesday started the march of death. All the signs lined up, just never the timeline.

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1 hour ago, top dog said:

Update on our work outbreak. 15 people in or near the office where the outbreak was. 13 people got it. 2 were hospitalized, one of which has come home with oxygen. The 2 people who didn't get it? The 2 DIABETICS right in the thick of all the sickness.

How the hell is that possible? I guess the good lord was looking out for those 2.

Sucks! Such a weird virus. It's mind boggling that outbreaks like this can happen, but people in the same household for a week+ with an infected person don't get it. I guess that perhaps lends more anecdotal credence to the theory that some might just be naturally impervious to this thing. Maybe that's the case for the other 2 people in your group. 

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4 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Everyone but you apparently. How soon you forget.

I literally expressed skepticism of China and their actions/claims on page one of this thread on January 24th.  I have no clue what you're talking about.

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28 minutes ago, shader said:
32 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Everyone but you apparently. How soon you forget.

I literally expressed skepticism of China and their actions/claims on page one of this thread on January 24th.  I have no clue what you're talking about.

Not to pile on ... but I think he might be referring to the February WHO report based on their investigations in China. I don't know one way or another whether that particular report is still relevant anymore -- seems like researchers in other countries now have more than enough homegrown data to come to their own conclusions.

Just an aside: It seems to be rarely talked about ... but can it truly be that a country as large as China pretty much has had only a few thousand COVID cases in the last 9 months? That beggars belief. But you can't prove a negative, so :shrug:

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51 minutes ago, shader said:

I literally expressed skepticism of China and their actions/claims on page one of this thread on January 24th.  I have no clue what you're talking about.

iirc, at a certain point you came around to believing what was coming out of China for a brief period before going back to being skeptical again. Apologies if that wasn't you since you have no clue what he's talking about.

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