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2 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Apparently 3 house members who were vaccinated on Jan 4, may have contracted the virus during the storming of the Capitol on Jan 6 while sequestered in close quarters with several maskless representatives.  Most of those few subjects in the vaccine arms of the Pfizer and Moderna trials who contracted COVID, got the disease between dose 1 and dose 2.

The Capitol outbreak shows one vaccine dose may not fully shield against the coronavirus Just because you got a Covid-19 vaccine doesn’t mean you’re invulnerable to reckless behavior.

Yeah, I think we have to be aware that ######s that are still spreading it can bust the vax.  I think the best approach is to not do what is considered high risk behavior until after the 2nd dose. Even then it's not perfect, and I'm not trying to promote people going out and starting to lick doorknobs, but instead where we can start looking to see impact from dose 1 in the numbers and begin to think maybe this is over in the spring, rather than the fall.  

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My dad has been sick for a few weeks.  My mom called me today to say he was about to die.  I said some final words to him and he could hear me but was unable to respond.  He passed a short time later.

Not to derail anything, but we had our baby last night! She's doing amazingly well. Due to the hospital's pandemic policies, I had to leave her right after my wife was released from recovery. I can't

On a positive note, my wife gave birth to our first child this morning!! We were expecting our daughter to be born in the first week of April, which does not align very well if this hospital sees a ma

If you've already had the virus, can you still get it from someone again and spread it to someone else without actually being infected yourself? Sort of like being a carrier? Or does it need to multiply within you to become dangerous?

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I think the general media is making too much of "new strains" -- every viral disease known to man has gazillions of strains and they mutate subtly all the time. Identifying a "new strain!!!" is not a thing to be alarmed about -- it's sensationalism.

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44 minutes ago, culdeus said:

Yeah, I think we have to be aware that ######s that are still spreading it can bust the vax.  I think the best approach is to not do what is considered high risk behavior until after the 2nd dose. Even then it's not perfect, and I'm not trying to promote people going out and starting to lick doorknobs, but instead where we can start looking to see impact from dose 1 in the numbers and begin to think maybe this is over in the spring, rather than the fall.  

Youyang Gu's estimate is herd immunity in the USA by summer 2021, but deaths falling sooner due to early vaccination of the most vulnerable. Imported cases will still be an issue in 2022.

Path to Herd Immunity - COVID-19 Vaccine Projections

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6 minutes ago, jamny said:

If you've already had the virus, can you still get it from someone again and spread it to someone else without actually being infected yourself? Sort of like being a carrier? Or does it need to multiply within you to become dangerous?

Science says -- We don't know with enough certainty to make any kind of helpful call one way or the other.

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Doug B, off the cuff, says -- Once you've gained immunity, you're not going to be able to get enough viral load in your body to be able to just exude viral aerosols like an invisible smokestack. So no, you're not going to become a secret, healthy-looking carrier. (Opinion subject to change in the face of firmer consensus information)

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2 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Youyang Gu's estimate is herd immunity in the USA by summer 2021, but deaths falling sooner due to early vaccination of the most vulnerable. Imported cases will still be an issue in 2022.

Path to Herd Immunity - COVID-19 Vaccine Projections

As others have pointed out, this is highly misleading.  He's saying once we get to 40% herd immunity we will get fewer than 3M new infections, ever again.  And by June we will start actually losing people that have had Covid to other things faster than people are catching covid.  

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Just Loopholed my way into getting the Moderna vaccine in Starkville Mississippi…

 

My appointment is in three hours, leaving now… Should be there with 30 minutes to spare.

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1 minute ago, [icon] said:

Just Loopholed my way into getting the Moderna vaccine in Starkville Mississippi…

 

My appointment is in three hours, leaving now… Should be there with 30 minutes to spare.

That's probably the only good reason to visit Starkville.

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4 minutes ago, worrierking said:

That's probably the only good reason to visit Starkville.

I'm going to refrain from talking #### about the town until after they stick me, but I also also refrain from disagreeing with you :) 

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A couple of reasons for optimism today.  First, it is looking more and more like new cases in the UK have peaked and are now going down.  It's way too early to hoist a pint in celebration down at the local pub as they could start back up tomorrow, but this could mean that the new strain isn't really as infectious as the early numbers indicated.  If they truly are past the peak, then some of the worst fears may not occur.

Second, OurWorldinData is showing 950,000 vaccinations reported today in the US.  It's not showing on other trackers yet, so it may not be correct (the trackers don't always match up), but if it's correct, that's tremendous and nearing the hoped for one million per day.

 

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Officially stuck.
Round 2 2/10/21. 

Moderna shot is damn near painless. Wheee.  Now to drive 2.5hrs home and race the arm soreness :lol: 

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27 minutes ago, worrierking said:

Second, OurWorldinData is showing 950,000 vaccinations reported today in the US.  It's not showing on other trackers yet, so it may not be correct (the trackers don't always match up), but if it's correct, that's tremendous and nearing the hoped for one million per day.

 

Also some sources will have a bit of lag. Some are literally tracking on sheets of paper, and entering into computer system later. All in all, moving along well all things considered. 

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44 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Officially stuck.
Round 2 2/10/21. 

Moderna shot is damn near painless. Wheee.  Now to drive 2.5hrs home and race the arm soreness :lol: 

what was the loophole move? i may or may not be willing to drive to Starkville. #HailState

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53 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Officially stuck.
Round 2 2/10/21. 

Moderna shot is damn near painless. Wheee.  Now to drive 2.5hrs home and race the arm soreness :lol: 

So uh, how'd you game it?  I'll take a PM.

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35 minutes ago, RnR said:

what was the loophole move? i may or may not be willing to drive to Starkville. #HailState

They've opened it up to any adults with a "pre-existing condition "list that is very broad... But I absolutely do qualify.

I've also done some freelance work for a network of clinics in MS. Used their address since I technically work for a medical facility. :unsure: 
 

 

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Got my first dose today. Took about an hour and forty minutes altogether. My main concern now is, they gave me my vaccine card and said "You need to get your second shot around Feb 3rd. Good luck!" i.e. I am on my own for the second shot. Thing is, I was EXTREMELY lucky to get in on this shot. There were 187,000 people online when the site went live for 9,000 appointments. I somehow managed to get one. But I think there is a very good chance I won't be able to get a second appointment and may end up having wasted a vaccine.

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33 minutes ago, DallasDMac said:

But I think there is a very good chance I won't be able to get a second appointment and may end up having wasted a vaccine

Highly unlikely. 

1. There is some evidence that one dose is pretty effective.

2. It isnt like at day 22 everything disappears from your body.

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1 hour ago, DallasDMac said:

Got my first dose today. Took about an hour and forty minutes altogether. My main concern now is, they gave me my vaccine card and said "You need to get your second shot around Feb 3rd. Good luck!" i.e. I am on my own for the second shot. Thing is, I was EXTREMELY lucky to get in on this shot. There were 187,000 people online when the site went live for 9,000 appointments. I somehow managed to get one. But I think there is a very good chance I won't be able to get a second appointment and may end up having wasted a vaccine.

Most places are holding back a 2nd shot for every first shot. 
 

 

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Moderna: T +4h30m: Light tongue numbness / tingling at the tip of my tongue. Kinda like a novocaine feel :unsure: 

GF says if I get Bell's palsy she calls dibs on drawing my facial features where they're supposed to go. :lol: 

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I am locked in for 1c. We just started 1b this week. I can jump early if I want to work at a Point of Distribution. Right now I am not needed for that, but as we roll through hundreds of vaccinations per day... burnout is likely and we will need people to step in.

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I do think that some things are improving with the rollout but the latest is going to make my job hell. The feds recommended prioritizing 65+, Arizona decided to take the recommendation starting next Tuesday barely a week after  they opened registration for 75+. Now we have to wait and see what Maricopa county decides.

We’ve barely scratched the surface of 75+ and now they’re doing this. I’m guessing they will continue with the same guidelines but it is going to cause mass confusion and we will spend the entire day deal with that and struggle to give the 20 shots we have scheduled.

The rumor today was that there were no restrictions. Don’t even have to show ID or insurance, just show up and they will give you the shot. I’m ready to stopping answering the phones and put up a sign that unless you have an appointment scheduled or prescription business, we won’t be helping you. But I think that would be frowned upon.

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1 hour ago, [icon] said:

Most places are holding back a 2nd shot for every first shot. 

Actually, the newly released guideline is to stop doing this to get more people vaccinated. The Mayor actually made that point today in his daily brief. Fortunately, he also announced that everyone vaccinated before noon today at the Alamodome (which includes me) would be getting a call from Metro Health to schedule the second dose. So sometime between my shot around 11 a.m. and the Mayor's 6:13 p.m. brief, they instituted a policy to try and get everyone their second dose. I am glad I watch the local news because otherwise I would have had no idea to look for that call, and I never answer unknown numbers. It was in direct contrast to what I was told at the vaccination site.

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IT Contractor for DoD. There's a chance I may be able to get a vaccination. They solicited for volunteers and I agreed. Contractors are back of the line so I don't know if I'll actually receive one, which vaccine, or a timeline yet.

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https://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2021/01/04/gutjnl-2020-323020
 

"Gut microbiome composition was significantly altered in patients with COVID-19 compared with non-COVID-19 individuals irrespective of whether patients had received medication (p<0.01). Several gut commensals with known immunomodulatory potential such as Faecalibacterium prausnitzii, Eubacterium rectale and bifidobacteria were underrepresented in patients and remained low in samples collected up to 30 days after disease resolution. Moreover, this perturbed composition exhibited stratification with disease severity concordant with elevated concentrations of inflammatory cytokines and blood markers such as C reactive protein, lactate dehydrogenase, aspartate aminotransferase and gamma-glutamyl transferase."

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22 hours ago, jamny said:

If you've already had the virus, can you still get it from someone again and spread it to someone else without actually being infected yourself? Sort of like being a carrier? Or does it need to multiply within you to become dangerous?

Looks like the answer is yes

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/health/covid-immunity-antibodies-intl/index.html

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Happy to see so many in here getting the vaccine.  Herd immunity for this thread is fast approaching!

I'm in phase 1b tier 2 as an essential government responder, which is likely to be a month or so here in Louisiana.  Worrierqueen leapt ahead of me this week.  She's been retired for three years but got bored and decided to look for a part-time job.  She accepted a position at the local hospital's fitness center.  She asked about the vaccine (she was a bit concerned about working in a gym) and they said she qualifies as a hospital employee.  She should get the first shot of the Pfizer vaccine next week.

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30 minutes ago, jobarules said:

Thanks for posting this.  Not great news, obviously, but also not surprising.  Hopefully many continue to consider others in their continued social distancing even if they've been infected.  And hopefully the vaccine confers longer and more effective immunity to help prevent spread.

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So I have taken this very seriously but I'm curious now if masks are really needed in certain situations. So when they consider close contact for tracing it's the 15minute exposure or same amount of time in a 24 hour period. Six feet etc   I wear masks and will continue to do so but are they really necessary if I run into a convenience store? A coffee shop if I'm walking in placing an order and leaving?

I get needing them in gyms or say shopping at lowes super market etc where your most likely going to be indoors with many people for longer periods of time.  I guess you can't half mandate masks here and there.

Just something I've been thinking about

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2 minutes ago, belljr said:

So I have taken this very seriously but I'm curious now if masks are really needed in certain situations. So when they consider close contact for tracing it's the 15minute exposure or same amount of time in a 24 hour period. Six feet etc   I wear masks and will continue to do so but are they really necessary if I run into a convenience store? A coffee shop if I'm walking in placing an order and leaving?

I get needing them in gyms or say shopping at lowes super market etc where your most likely going to be indoors with many people for longer periods of time.  I guess you can't half mandate masks here and there.

Just something I've been thinking about

I don't feel any angst in a store if someone near me is not masked.  Quick interactions are not why we have a pandemic (although brief encounters are likely to be responsible for a few infections). I always wear a mask in a store, but I think we have a pandemic because people don't wear them at the most important times (when they are in close contact for long periods during social gatherings and at work). 

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1 hour ago, Pip's Invitation said:

NJ opened vaccine scheduling to group 1c, which I qualify for due to BMI. My first dose is scheduled for March 1. 

Haven’t received my email yet and I’m in 1C. Bummer.

I get why they’re doing it, but rubs me a bit the wrong way that smokers are being classified as having underlying health conditions and qualified as 1b in NJ. It does make sense as they are higher risk because of their compromised lungs, so from a pure public health standpoint I get it. Just a bit frustrating personally that my profession doesn’t get me classified as 1B despite being public health related and dealing directly with the virus at times when I have family with immunological issues at home, but someone who has chosen to smoke can get it ahead of me. Maybe that’s just selfish of me.

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1 hour ago, GroveDiesel said:

Haven’t received my email yet and I’m in 1C. Bummer.

I get why they’re doing it, but rubs me a bit the wrong way that smokers are being classified as having underlying health conditions and qualified as 1b in NJ. It does make sense as they are higher risk because of their compromised lungs, so from a pure public health standpoint I get it. Just a bit frustrating personally that my profession doesn’t get me classified as 1B despite being public health related and dealing directly with the virus at times when I have family with immunological issues at home, but someone who has chosen to smoke can get it ahead of me. Maybe that’s just selfish of me.

Mine came from the Cooper Health System (Camden County), and I had to register using their online patient portal. So it may be a function of whose database you are in. 

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1 hour ago, jamny said:
2 hours ago, jobarules said:

Thanks!

Very interesting.

Its a non peer reviewed study and that article as far as I can tell didnt even link it. That should always make everybody skeptical.

This is the most relevant info right now. 

Of the 44 potential reinfections identified by the study, 2 were designated ‘probable’ and 42 ‘possible’, based on the amount of confirmatory evidence available. If all 44 cases were confirmed, it would represent an 83% rate of protection from reinfection, while if only the 2 ‘probable’ reinfections were confirmed, the rate would be 99%. Further research is ongoing to clarify this range.

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1 hour ago, belljr said:

So I have taken this very seriously but I'm curious now if masks are really needed in certain situations. So when they consider close contact for tracing it's the 15minute exposure or same amount of time in a 24 hour period. Six feet etc   I wear masks and will continue to do so but are they really necessary if I run into a convenience store? A coffee shop if I'm walking in placing an order and leaving?

I get needing them in gyms or say shopping at lowes super market etc where your most likely going to be indoors with many people for longer periods of time.  I guess you can't half mandate masks here and there.

Just something I've been thinking about

Necessary for you? Probably not. Necessary for the clerk? Much more likely. 

If it is a poorly ventilated bodega, aersols can easily accumulate in pockets. Imagine if that was right where the register is, behind plexiglass.

 

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25 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Necessary for you? Probably not. Necessary for the clerk? Much more likely. 

If it is a poorly ventilated bodega, aersols can easily accumulate in pockets. Imagine if that was right where the register is, behind plexiglass.

 

All the stores I go into the workers are wearing masks, behind glass etc.. 

Listen I'm not going to not wear one, it's just something I've been thinking about

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3 hours ago, [icon] said:

https://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2021/01/04/gutjnl-2020-323020
 

"Gut microbiome composition was significantly altered in patients with COVID-19 compared with non-COVID-19 individuals irrespective of whether patients had received medication (p<0.01). Several gut commensals with known immunomodulatory potential such as Faecalibacterium prausnitzii, Eubacterium rectale and bifidobacteria were underrepresented in patients and remained low in samples collected up to 30 days after disease resolution. Moreover, this perturbed composition exhibited stratification with disease severity concordant with elevated concentrations of inflammatory cytokines and blood markers such as C reactive protein, lactate dehydrogenase, aspartate aminotransferase and gamma-glutamyl transferase."

[Jules]

"English, ************ !! Do you speak it ?!?!"  :D 

[/Jules]

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This makes me wonder two things:

a) if testing of a person's gut biota alone could ever be a useful COVID-19 infection identification tool. And ...

b) if pre-infection differences in individuals' gut biota has any effect whatsoever on the severity of a COVID-19. If so, it might help explain why people who are superficially similar (e.g. siblings close in age with similar body types and health profiles) can sometimes (if infrequently) have such varying reactions to the virus.

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2 hours ago, belljr said:

So I have taken this very seriously but I'm curious now if masks are really needed in certain situations ...  I wear masks and will continue to do so but are they really necessary if I run into a convenience store? A coffee shop if I'm walking in placing an order and leaving?

Two things:

1) The aggregate risk to you in these situations isn't so much ... but keep in mind that the employees there are there for hours at a time.

2) You don't really know in advance who was breathing in the store/coffee shop and for how long. The convenience store could be empty of customers, yet still with infectious aerosols in the air from a few minutes before. And that's before we get to cases of employees being asymptomatic carriers and still working, breathing in the shop all shift long. Not especially big risks, no, but possible ones.

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8 minutes ago, belljr said:

All the stores I go into the workers are wearing masks, behind glass etc.. 

 

I feel like we should be past this by now, but.... you wear a mask to protect others, they wear a mask to protect you.

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Just now, belljr said:

All the stores I go into the workers are wearing masks, behind glass etc.. 

Listen I'm not going to not wear one, it's just something I've been thinking about

Behind the glass can actually be worse

And cloth masks wont protect a cashier stuck in a plexiglass pocket of covid. Obviously aerosols don't always accumulate there, but they certainly can. 

This study is about singing and performing, and it is ongoing, but initial recommendations are no plexiglass. 

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Plexiglass partitions or barriers between musicians are not recommended due to room HVAC system design limitations. "Dead zones" or areas where aerosol can build-up are a concern of plexiglass partitions are used.

 

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J&J’s one-shot Covid vaccine is safe and generates promising immune response in early trial (CNBC, 1/13/2021)

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  • J&J scientists randomly assigned healthy adults between the ages of 18 and 55 and those 65 and older to receive a high or low dose of its vaccine — called Ad26.COV2.S — or a placebo.
  • Most of the volunteers produced detectable neutralizing antibodies, which researchers believe play an important role in defending cells against the virus, after 28 days, according to the trial data.
  • By day 57, all volunteers had detectable antibodies, regardless of vaccine dose or age group, and remained stable for at least 71 days in the 18-to-55 age group.

The trial tested 805 volunteers. The company is expected to release results from its 45,000-person phase three trial later this month. J&J is using the same technologies it used to develop its Ebola vaccine for its Covid-19 vaccine.

 

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1 hour ago, parasaurolophus said:

Its a non peer reviewed study and that article as far as I can tell didnt even link it. That should always make everybody skeptical.

This is the most relevant info right now. 

Of the 44 potential reinfections identified by the study, 2 were designated ‘probable’ and 42 ‘possible’, based on the amount of confirmatory evidence available. If all 44 cases were confirmed, it would represent an 83% rate of protection from reinfection, while if only the 2 ‘probable’ reinfections were confirmed, the rate would be 99%. Further research is ongoing to clarify this range.

Why are you quoting a part of the article that had nothing to do with the question asked?

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4 hours ago, [icon] said:

https://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2021/01/04/gutjnl-2020-323020
 

"Gut microbiome composition was significantly altered in patients with COVID-19 compared with non-COVID-19 individuals irrespective of whether patients had received medication (p<0.01). Several gut commensals with known immunomodulatory potential such as Faecalibacterium prausnitzii, Eubacterium rectale and bifidobacteria were underrepresented in patients and remained low in samples collected up to 30 days after disease resolution. Moreover, this perturbed composition exhibited stratification with disease severity concordant with elevated concentrations of inflammatory cytokines and blood markers such as C reactive protein, lactate dehydrogenase, aspartate aminotransferase and gamma-glutamyl transferase."

So... take probiotics?  Is that what this means?

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3 hours ago, GroveDiesel said:

Haven’t received my email yet and I’m in 1C. Bummer.

I get why they’re doing it, but rubs me a bit the wrong way that smokers are being classified as having underlying health conditions and qualified as 1b in NJ. It does make sense as they are higher risk because of their compromised lungs, so from a pure public health standpoint I get it. Just a bit frustrating personally that my profession doesn’t get me classified as 1B despite being public health related and dealing directly with the virus at times when I have family with immunological issues at home, but someone who has chosen to smoke can get it ahead of me. Maybe that’s just selfish of me.

ditto.  and from what i am hearing those that are eligible to get it cant find appointments.  there are like all these different places to look and they all show booked.  people are like waking up at 6am to try to get spots a few weeks out.

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