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I agree with you that this all very likely comes down to incompetence, not rigging things against Bernie. The latter is the conspiracy theory
That's his point...ren doesn't vote and is proud of that. Not sure about Shamrock....Bernie guy? He'd be the exception I wasn't aware of.
Insinuating? Yes. Not sure what the face is for, just telling you how it is and what sites and Tweets they're linking. It's not an outright claim of conspiracy, but leans that way.
My point was about where these accusations are coming from, see what the commish said.
Yep. This is the nature of large bureaucracies....and it is even worse when they outsource core functions like counting the freaking vote.
Yup. I sure didn’t. Because I didn’t like any of the candidates in 2016. I’m not proud of it but I stand by that decision. I voted for Ralph Nader in 2008. When the people running don’t reflect my values I stay home.
Was it coincidence HRC won 6 out of 6 coin flips in Iowa in 2016 too. They are steamrolling the 2% or less probabilities.
Beside the one where the guy looked at it, not sure. But every voting mistake, in favor of establishment.
I know for the DNC Amazon is evil, but they (or some other similar company) would have gotten this setup and counted right.
Such things trumpeted from a hyper partisan media? They would have had this stuff prewritten, like celebrity obituaries. However, it would have been harder to claim rigging when Amazon could have setup a real time application visible to everyone to track the caucus. It would have been pretty cool, IMO.Can you imagine the "Bezos rigged the election for ____" claims from Trump?
There is a certain appeal to the old methods. Seems like the more we try to innovate in this space, the more risk we create.
Yep. Incompetence can't explain what happened. I cant get over this quote...
Take the app out of the equation and if the paper trail is fine, you could have easily just reported the data bit by bit as it comes in. The bulk 62% reporting and then nothing for a while made zero sense.
If Klobuchar fails to gain traction I think she drops out fairly soon, MN is a Super Tuesday state and it’d be embarrassing for her to lose there.
This is the DNC.ren hoek said:
Just go with total votes over whatever arcane witchcraft they use to determine SDEs. Sanders won Iowa.
So change the rules (after the fact) because Bernie fans didn't like the outcome and don't like the guy who won by the established rules?
Yes, it probably does show an inclination toward believing conspiracies. The qualification standards are widely available:
She met the donor requirements but not the poll requirements. Candidates needed at least four polls (from pre-approved pollsters) showing 5%+ support nationally or in the four early states, and Gabbard only had two.
What black support Biden loses could help Bernie win the nomination, although some prominent blacks are warming up to Bloomberg, after his apology tour. Bernie (47%) or brokered (26%) are the most likely outcomes, per 538: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/
Gabbard has been 6 to 8 percent for a few weeks now. She's been non stop campaigning and doing town halls every day to decent size crowds.
I saw this mentioned by others on Twitter but I was thinking the same thing - that this is similar to 2016 when candidates early on attacked each other, but not Trump so much, to become the main “normal” opposition to Trump until it was too late, and they’re doing the same thing here by trying to jostle for the moderate lane and more or less leaving Bernie alone. And when the last moderate walks out of the ashes, Bernie will be on stage accepting the nomination.
Sanders support isn't going anywhere. The others are shuffling their folks back and forth. His message is so different that people aren't leaving him. He may add a few here and there but I think he is where he is. If Warren drops I think that's his one shot to add. It reminds me an awful lot of the support Roy Moore used to get in our primaries in Alabama, pre-scandal. He always had the same number no matter who he ran against. The time he won the Senate primary was because the governor had appointed a lobbyist to the Senate. Then when Moore isolated him in the runoff he won because Moore's folks always, always turned out and nobody was excited about the incumbent. If the Dems don't isolate it down to one more mainstream candidate fairly soon he's going to win a plurality. Of course I don't think under their rules that's enough to get the nomination. The mess is going to be if he's the leader in delegates but short of 50%, and others combine to nominate someone else.
Neither of those candidates enjoyed any special support among black voters. Booker is whiter than I am, and Harris wanted to put everybody in prison.
