***2020 Democrat Primary/Caucus Thread*** Biden Is Your Demoractic Nominee

[adonis 9,879]

This is why Biden didn't run in 2016.

Gotta be embarassing and dispiriting.

[toshiba 2,131]

1 minute ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

3 minutes ago, toshiba said:

5 minutes ago, NutterButter said:

Great nights for both Buttigieg and Klobucher.   Keeping the momentum going.   

And Sanders

It's never bad to win. But I'd say that Buttigieg and Klobuchar outperformed expectations, while Sanders underperformed them a bit.

Check out 538, Sanders was right where he was expected to be.

[MAC_32 12,070]

1 minute ago, mcintyre1 said:

Decision Desk HQ has all three of those in already, Pete won Hanover by 5.5% (but only gained 170 total votes on Sanders), Sanders won the other two. Derry by 2.5% (about 150 vote lead) and Durham by 11% (about 540 vote lead).

That's a wrap.

[Ditkaless Wonders 16,250]

Looks like Sanders tonight, though underperforming expectations.

Buttigieg more or less on recent expectations.

Klobuchar outperforming all but recent expectations.

Biden is a stiff.  He fled in desperation.

[Gawain 2,211]

Honestly, I think Bloomberg had the best night. 538 will peg the chance of a contested convention around 27% tomorrow. No one has consolidated as the center-left candidate. Warren's not getting out of the race, so support isn't consolidating behind Bernie. Biden's not getting out, so will likely pull delegates in SC at least.

The way to get Bloomberg out is to have two viable candidates by Super Tuesday. That doesn't look to be happening.
If we have six viable candidates on Super Tuesday, there's going to be some major math problems getting anyone to 1991 come March 4th.

[adonis 9,879]

So Pete and Bernie tie for delegates?

[Phil Elliott 1,114]

36 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

He was 3rd in a recent national poll.

Bloomberg received votes in NH for both Dem and GOP.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Phil Elliott

[mcintyre1 3,294]

3 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

4 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Decision Desk HQ has all three of those in already, Pete won Hanover by 5.5% (but only gained 170 total votes on Sanders), Sanders won the other two. Derry by 2.5% (about 150 vote lead) and Durham by 11% (about 540 vote lead).

That's a wrap.

My Hanover numbers were wrong, must have clicked the wrong one or something. Pete did gain about 300 some votes there rather than 170, but yeah, I think it's probably over. Notable w/ Hanover, Warren potentially took a lot of Sanders votes in that college town area, she hit 18% there.

[MAC_32 12,070]

2 minutes ago, toshiba said:

Check out 538, Sanders was right where he was expected to be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Bernie has been polling about that number for some time. These are new developments with Amy and Pete. Bernie has his core voters, but those that voted for him because he wasnt Hillary in 16 seem to be migrating elsewhere. 

[caustic 3,725]

One thing that I’ve found interesting is how Sanders’ coalition has gone from very white and rural in 2016 to pretty urban and multiracial in 2020. Hillary’s coalition followed a similar path from 2008 to 2016. 

 

[toshiba 2,131]

Just now, MAC_32 said:

4 minutes ago, toshiba said:

Check out 538, Sanders was right where he was expected to be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Bernie has been polling about that number for some time. These are new developments with Amy and Pete. Bernie has his core voters, but those that voted for him because he wasnt Hillary in 16 seem to be migrating elsewhere. 

Correct.  Bernie is performing as expected.  Amy and Pete are outperforming with Warren and Biden falling.

[adonis 9,879]

Just now, MAC_32 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Bernie has been polling about that number for some time. These are new developments with Amy and Pete. Bernie has his core voters, but those that voted for him because he wasnt Hillary in 16 seem to be migrating elsewhere. 

Pete and Amy have been surging of late.  Amy certainly later than Pete, but both in a matter of weeks closed a huge gap.

[NutterButter 6,088]

2 minutes ago, Gawain said:

Honestly, I think Bloomberg had the best night. 538 will peg the chance of a contested convention around 27% tomorrow. No one has consolidated as the center-left candidate. Warren's not getting out of the race, so support isn't consolidating behind Bernie. Biden's not getting out, so will likely pull delegates in SC at least.

The way to get Bloomberg out is to have two viable candidates by Super Tuesday. That doesn't look to be happening.
If we have six viable candidates on Super Tuesday, there's going to be some major math problems getting anyone to 1991 come March 4th.

Primary might be more exciting then the general.

[adonis 9,879]

1.69% gap between the two now.

[Phil Elliott 1,114]

MLB talking about changes to be more reality tv like and now we are talking about forming alliances to keep from literally being voted off the island.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Phil Elliott

[caustic 3,725]

I think it's time for Biden to drop out and go back to doing what he loves.

[mcintyre1 3,294]

Looks like Pete know's he's getting second. He broke in the game of chicken before Bernie and is out for his speech.

[mcintyre1 3,294]

Congratulates Sanders on his "strong showing tonight" -- ie. he won.

[Phil Elliott 1,114]

2 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Looks like Pete know's he's getting second. He broke in the game of chicken before Bernie and is out for his speech.

Pete did more to thank Biden supporters than Biden did, who got out of Dodge today rather quickly.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Phil Elliott

[mcintyre1 3,294]

Decision Desk HQ calls it for Bernie with 83% reporting.

[hagmania 8,792]

FEEL

                      THE

                                                BERN

[cap'n grunge 7,632]

Vote blue no matter who.

[Daywalker 3,034]

When is the big day for bloomberg?  I expect him to not quite make it.  But then he will basically push pete or klobacher to victory.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

Depending on who drops out, things may change substantially by next primary. I don’t see Joe leaving soon, but lots of others are up in the air. 

[cap'n grunge 7,632]

Sanders/Warren 86k votes

Buttigieg/Klobuchar/ Biden 129k votes

[caustic 3,725]

1 minute ago, Daywalker said:

When is the big day for bloomberg?  I expect him to not quite make it.  But then he will basically push pete or klobacher to victory.

Super Tuesday (March 3) is when Bloomberg makes his grand appearance.

[Daywalker 3,034]

Klobacher with Bloomberg money would be a nice ticket.

[ShamrockPride 5,293]

Now we move to more diverse states, which should propel Bernie.

[cap'n grunge 7,632]

1 minute ago, ShamrockPride said:

Now we move to more diverse states, which should propel Bernie.

Bloomberg running ads hugging Obama was smart.

Edited February 12, 2020 by cap'n grunge

[mcintyre1 3,294]

Just now, ShamrockPride said:

Now we move to more diverse states, which should propel Bernie.

Yeah, I'm thinking he'll do very well in Nevada.

[BassNBrew 10,561]

Just now, Henry Ford said:

Depending on who drops out, things may change substantially by next primary. I don’t see Joe leaving soon, but lots of others are up in the air. 

Who of significance will drop in the next 18 days?

[Daywalker 3,034]

1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

Depending on who drops out, things may change substantially by next primary. I don’t see Joe leaving soon, but lots of others are up in the air. 

Warren would be a gamer if she dropped out and endorsed Klobacher.

[BassNBrew 10,561]

A Bernie/Pete/Amy ticket with Bloomberg and Steyer bankrolling it would be perfect.  

[AAABatteries 24,406]

I think what makes Bernie a winner tonight is how bad Warren did and the centrist vote is still split among 4 candidates.  You have to imagine the DNC is on the phone with Elizabeth telling her to stick it out until at least Super Tuesday.  Right now it seems that @fatguyinalittlecoat is Nostradamus - it seems difficult to imagine one of the candidates winning this before the convention.

[caustic 3,725]

Nevada is up next and the drama is already starting tonight. NV Culinary Union is contacting its 60,000 members via email, text, and flyer warning that Sanders would end their beloved union healthcare: https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/in-new-flyer-culinary-union-warns-members-sanders-would-end-their-health-care-if-elected-president

[NutterButter 6,088]

 

1 minute ago, BassNBrew said:

A Bernie/Pete/Amy ticket with Bloomberg and Steyer bankrolling it would be perfect.  

As long as Bernie is not on the top, I'm down.

[Henry Ford 60,520]

5 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Who of significance will drop in the next 18 days?

Honestly, everyone is of significance now. If Yang’s people voted Buttigieg he wins New Hampshire I think. 

[Daywalker 3,034]

2 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I think what makes Bernie a winner tonight is how bad Warren did and the centrist vote is still split among 4 candidates.  You have to imagine the DNC is on the phone with Elizabeth telling her to stick it out until at least Super Tuesday.  Right now it seems that @fatguyinalittlecoat is Nostradamus - it seems difficult to imagine one of the candidates winning this before the convention.

I dont think warren votes go to bernie necessarily.

[hagmania 8,792]

This blessed old curmudgeon is so inspiring.

[Snoopy 387]

One thing is that South Carolina won't have a GOP primary and will give all GOP delegates to Trump.  With that, the GOP is encouraging cross-over votes to screw up the Democratic primary.

[AAABatteries 24,406]

Just now, Daywalker said:

I dont think warren votes go to bernie necessarily.

Not all but the polling shows him a solid 2nd choice for Warren supporters.

[krista4 23,795]

5 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I think what makes Bernie a winner tonight is how bad Warren did and the centrist vote is still split among 4 candidates.  You have to imagine the DNC is on the phone with Elizabeth telling her to stick it out until at least Super Tuesday.  Right now it seems that @fatguyinalittlecoat is Nostradamus - it seems difficult to imagine one of the candidates winning this before the convention.

This seems logical but doesn't seem to be the way the polling has gone, in terms of people's second choices.  That's been really wacky when you look at it.  I guess people are aligning themselves more by personalities than ideals.  And if Warren dropped out and decided to throw herself behind Klobuchar, for instance, then it would really be interesting.

I do wish we could get down to one progressive candidate (Bernie) and one more center-progressive (Klobuchar or Pete), so we could see where the voters really want to be.

Edited February 12, 2020 by krista4

[BassNBrew 10,561]

4 minutes ago, caustic said:

Nevada is up next and the drama is already starting tonight. NV Culinary Union is contacting its 60,000 members via email, text, and flyer warning that Sanders would end their beloved union healthcare: https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/in-new-flyer-culinary-union-warns-members-sanders-would-end-their-health-care-if-elected-president

I've got mine, screw the rest.  Obama sold us down the river.

[NutterButter 6,088]

 

2 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

I dont think warren votes go to bernie necessarily.

i think a lot would but the nice thing if you're anti-bernie is that warren's support has come down significantly.  

[Daywalker 3,034]

3 minutes ago, NutterButter said:

 

As long as Bernie is not on the top, I'm down.

 Bernie policies may scare people but he is by far the best person opposite Trump on stage.  He wont get flustered and comes off as serious.

[Smack Tripper 2,748]

Bern's got the most votes in two states, tied for the delegate lead.   Brought to you by the people who want to get rid of the Electoral College

[BassNBrew 10,561]

1 minute ago, krista4 said:

This seems logical but doesn't seem to be the way the polling has gone, in terms of people's second choices.  That's been really wacky when you look at it.  I guess people are aligning themselves more by personalities than ideals.  And if Warren dropped out and decided to throw herself behind Klobuchar, for instance, then it would really be interesting.

I do wish we could get down to one progressive candidate (Bernie) and one more center-progressive (Klobuchar or Pete) AND one self financed Billionaire Republican, so we could see where the voters really want to be.

Small addition.

[BassNBrew 10,561]

Bernie is killing it tonight.  So much energy.

[ShamrockPride 5,293]

1 minute ago, Smack Tripper said:

Bern's got the most votes in two states, tied for the delegate lead.   Brought to you by the people who want to get rid of the Electoral College

MSNBC is showing overall 23-21?

[krista4 23,795]

Just now, BassNBrew said:

Small addition.

I know, I know.  I left him out on purpose because when I say I'd like to get it down to just Bernie vs. Amy/Pete, I mean that.  Bloomberg doesn't register with me.