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Bern's got the most votes in two states, tied for the delegate lead. Brought to you by the people who want to get rid of the Electoral College
Small addition.This seems logical but doesn't seem to be the way the polling has gone, in terms of people's second choices. That's been really wacky when you look at it. I guess people are aligning themselves more by personalities than ideals. And if Warren dropped out and decided to throw herself behind Klobuchar, for instance, then it would really be interesting.
I do wish we could get down to one progressive candidate (Bernie) and one more center-progressive (Klobuchar or Pete) AND one self financed Billionaire Republican, so we could see where the voters really want to be.
MSNBC is showing overall 23-21?Bern's got the most votes in two states, tied for the delegate lead. Brought to you by the people who want to get rid of the Electoral College
I know, I know. I left him out on purpose because when I say I'd like to get it down to just Bernie vs. Amy/Pete, I mean that. Bloomberg doesn't register with me.Small addition.
BUT HE JUST HAD A HEART ATTACK!!!Bernie is killing it tonight. So much energy.
I know nothing about politics, but I'd much rather put my faith in independents and suburban moms who voted convincingly for democrats in 2018 then in a bunch of 20 year olds hoping they decide to show up to vote b/c we're gonna need an awful lot of them if bernie is the nominee.Bernie policies may scare people but he is by far the best person opposite Trump on stage. He wont get flustered and comes off as serious.
He tied New Hampshire 9-9-6, so still trails the overall by 2.MSNBC is showing overall 23-21?
Its really crazy how much money that guy could drop on this election if he chooses to.Small addition.
He ended up down 2 in Iowa? I thought it was just 1.He tied New Hampshire 9-9-6, so still trails the overall by 2.
The fact that Warren lost a bunch of votes and Bernie didn't pick them up is not a positive for Bernie.I think what makes Bernie a winner tonight is how bad Warren did and the centrist vote is still split among 4 candidates.
I think you underestimate Bernie's appeal. Explain to me why poor people in swing states wouldn't vote for Bernie - what policies exactly is he pushing that they are opposed to?I know nothing about politics, but I'd much rather put my faith in independents and suburban moms who voted convincingly for democrats in 2018 then in a bunch of 20 year olds hoping they decide to show up to vote b/c we're gonna need an awful lot of them if bernie is the nominee.
Sad to see you join the spin train, MTThe fact that Warren lost a bunch of votes and Bernie didn't pick them up is not a positive for Bernie.
I know nothing about politics, but I'd much rather put my faith in independents and suburban moms who voted convincingly for democrats in 2018 then in a bunch of 20 year olds hoping they decide to show up to vote b/c we're gonna need an awful lot of them if bernie is the nominee.
They will but will enough of them turnout. People that are poor don't vote nearly as much as people that have money.I think you underestimate Bernie's appeal. Explain to me why poor people in swing states wouldn't vote for Bernie - what policies exactly is he pushing that they are opposed to?
They know a lot more about it than me but I don't see how all 3 of the leading centrist candidates (if you like Bloomberg over Biden) get a bump but Sanders doesn't. Maybe the expectation was Sanders would win big or maybe the assumption is there's no way Bernie wins a contested convention. Either way, to me, winning the first 3 states - which seems likely - will snowball his support.According to electionbettingodds.com:
Biggest winners:
Buttigieg +3.3%
Klobuchar +1.7%
Bloomberg +1.2%
Biggest losers:
Biden -2.5%
Warren -2.5%
Sanders -2.2%
I think the Sanders drop is not just the underperforming of the polls, but that there is a crowded field still. Given all Democratic primaries are proportional and not winner take all, if this field keeps the top 4 or 5 in til Super Tuesday it almost guarantees nobody is winning the majority of delegates, only a plurality. Let's say Bernie has 30% of the delegates and the lead in a plurality, where does he get the other 20%? Keep in mind who these delegates are, typically party insiders and donors if I'm not mistaken. Would they vote for him over someone who actually is a Democrat? It could be one hell of a mess. For the record, both Bernie and Pete got 9 delegates tonight and Amy 6. Buttigieg leads in the delegate race tonight.According to electionbettingodds.com:
Biggest winners:
Buttigieg +3.3%
Klobuchar +1.7%
Bloomberg +1.2%
Biggest losers:
Biden -2.5%
Warren -2.5%
Sanders -2.2%
Probably points to the stock market, unemployment rate, and the Chefs winning the Super Bowl.Stormy Daniels should be paid to be outside every rally. How does Trump respond to that?
I do agree that Bernie isn't going away but there's so many unknowns right now. How will Pete do with non-whites? Is Klobuchar for real? What does Bloomie do if he strikes out on super tuesday since he's putting so much into it? Which way will the 30% that support someone not named Bernie, Pete or Amy go? I'm not entirely sure how a contested convention works. Isn't it like rank choice voting by the delegates? If it comes down to Bernie with a small lead and Klobucher and Pete splitting the rest come convention time doesn't that favor one of the moderates since they'll just vote for each other in the first two rounds and the Bernie delegates will have to vote for one of the moderates as well in the 2nd.They know a lot more about it than me but I don't see how all 3 of the leading centrist candidates (if you like Bloomberg over Biden) get a bump but Sanders doesn't. Maybe the expectation was Sanders would win big or maybe the assumption is there's no way Bernie wins a contested convention. Either way, to me, winning the first 3 states - which seems likely - will snowball his support.
Wouldnt be the story. The story would be Trump in a bath robe sitting bedside.Probably points to the stock market, unemployment rate, and the Chefs winning the Super Bowl.
Oh...grab them by the *****. Yeah, that works.Wouldnt be the story. The story would be Trump in a bath robe sitting bedside.
If anyone goes into the convention with the most delegates and does not emerge as the presidential nominee, people will flat out not vote in November. No matter which candidate gets the shaft. November is lost 100000000% if this happens imo.I do agree that Bernie isn't going away but there's so many unknowns right now. How will Pete do with non-whites? Is Klobuchar for real? What does Bloomie do if he strikes out on super tuesday since he's putting so much into it? Which way will the 30% that support someone not named Bernie, Pete or Amy? I'm not entirely sure how a contested convention works. Isn't it like rank choice voting by the delegates? If it comes down to Bernie with a small lead and Klobucher and Pete splitting the rest come convention time doesn't that favor one of the moderates since they'll just vote for each other in the first two rounds and the Bernie delegates will have to vote for one of the moderates as well in the 2nd.
But how is it looking compared to 2018? That's what the dems are hoping to achieve. 2008 had to have been a banner year.Oh ...hey..who’s been hyping low voter turnout??
With 87% counted, turnout in the NH Dem primary has passed the 2016 level and is on track to come close to the 2008 level and possibly surpass it
That was what CNN just implied too. If that really is true (and I'm not convinced it is) then that makes Bernie's prospects even that much better, IMO.If anyone goes into the convention with the most delegates and does not emerge as the presidential nominee, people will flat out not vote in November. No matter which candidate gets the shaft. November is lost 100000000% if this happens imo.
It does when you market it. Benghazi.Oh...grab them by the *****. Yeah, that works.
This stuff doesn't phase Trump. He's a clinical narcissist who always behaves "perfectly".Stormy Daniels should be paid to be outside every rally. How does Trump respond to that?
Take it to the Trump thread or better yet, start a new one. This thread is about the race to represent the Democratic party“I believe in free birth control for all woman. Donald did you use protection when you were cheating on your wife with a porn star? Were you worried about transmitting a disease to her and maybe you newborn son?”
Dirty? It happened. This guy running the show.
I'm debating whether I would. I would be beyond furious, even if the potential nominee is not the same as who I voted for in the primary.That was what CNN just implied too. If that really is true (and I'm not convinced it is) then that makes Bernie's prospects even that much better, IMO.
I think that only applies to some Bernie supporters and if it happens it happens. Moderates are lot more pragmatic. The objective is still to beat the donald. I love the Bern but hate a lot of his policies and I hope to all hell he's not the nominee, but I'd vote for him in a heart beat over trump.If anyone goes into the convention with the most delegates and does not emerge as the presidential nominee, people will flat out not vote in November. No matter which candidate gets the shaft. November is lost 100000000% if this happens imo.
Particularly in 2020 with legal weed everywhere.I know nothing about politics, but I'd much rather put my faith in independents and suburban moms who voted convincingly for democrats in 2018 then in a bunch of 20 year olds hoping they decide to show up to vote b/c we're gonna need an awful lot of them if bernie is the nominee.
It will throw him off. You need to get him on the defensive.This stuff doesn't phase Trump. He's a clinical narcissist who always behaves "perfectly".
Michigan is lost. The poor and young are too busy getting high.Particularly in 2020 with legal weed everywhere.
You don't think the young Pete voters would revolt if he goes into the convention with a plurality but does not get the nomination?I think that only applies to some Bernie supporters and if it happens it happens. Moderates are lot more pragmatic. The objective is still to beat the donald. I love the Bern but hate a lot of his policies and I hope to all hell he's not the nominee, but I'd vote for him in a heart beat over trump.
Great Googily Moogily...Probably points to the stock market, unemployment rate, and the Chefs winning the Super Bowl.
Great googily moogilyProbably points to the stock market, unemployment rate, and the Chefs winning the Super Bowl.
I would be beyond furious at any Democrat staying home in 2020 and giving Trump a chance to remain in office.I'm debating whether I would. I would be beyond furious, even if the potential nominee is not the same as who I voted for in the primary.