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4 minutes ago, hagmania said:

Bern may have to go straight to get a new ticker right after. He's putting his health on the line for a progressive American future. It's going to be awesome.

My biggest saddness will be that the ones who will be hurt the worst are Bernies biggest supporters.

So hurtful.  Poor bernie people.

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Chuck Schumer:

"The president's speech tonight was much more like a Trump rally than a speech a true leader would give. It was demagogic, undignified, highly partisan and in too many places, untruthful."

Man the Left is out of touch. For Trump that was probably his least partisan speech to date,no one is buying these excuses. 

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Remember when Trump said grab em by the #####?  That's just classy locker room talk, and none of the multiple credible rape allegations have been proven in criminal court. But what kind of monster would ever rip up a piece of paper in a locker room? She's going to lose all the votes! 

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1 minute ago, PhantomJB said:

They need a unified message to combat Trump's economy. Right now they are all over the map. GOP is in complete solidarity.

That’s easy. 

1. Protect Obamacare. 

2. Climate change is real and we’d better figure out what to do before it’s too late. 

Thats it. That’s the winning message. Stick to it. 

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3 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

He's  crazy.  That was a prayerful  speech.

Yeah, I'm not sure I'd attack this SOTU. President Trump actually sounded like an actual solemn human being for 90 minutes.

Too blinded to focus on the future.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

Honestly if it’s Bernie vs Trump it’s a win win for Russia. Both men are isolationist, neither can be counted on to honor our international commitments. I’d say Ukraine is screwed either way. 

The wanting us out of the ME and similar entanglements is one common denominator between most Bernie and Trump supporters. 

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Has anyone thrown the challenge flag yet on the snubbed handshake and sent it to the review booth?  I thought in the one video I saw there was an initial confusion of offered handshake followed by another offer and that one garnered a head shake indicating “no” from Trump and he turned to the microphone.  I’d be very happy if it was only just a missed handshake.  Pelosi’s paper-shredder moment will remain a large negative, nothing but a childish display.

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Just now, timschochet said:

That’s easy. 

1. Protect Obamacare. 

2. Climate change is real and we’d better figure out what to do before it’s too late. 

Thats it. That’s the winning message. Stick to it. 

That's you. Not the Dems.

The first five minutes of the Dem SOTU response was potholes and lead pipes.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

That’s easy. 

1. Protect Obamacare. 

2. Climate change is real and we’d better figure out what to do before it’s too late. 

Thats it. That’s the winning message. Stick to it. 

Nobody  knows a winner like tim.   Kerry McCain.  Romney.  Hillary.     He understands  a winning  message.

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13 minutes ago, Smack Tripper said:

Well the Steele dossier seemed to be poorly sourced hokum that got this whole ball rolling.  Framed? I don't know, but stuff like that is something none of us should support.  

Trump is an oaf and a brute and I'm sure there's something checkered to his conduct, but find it, don't just make up this nonsense. 

This will all be over in a year or five, Im not interested in precedent setting disruption of our institutions when I believe strongly in the axiom, people get the government they deserve.

Given the contents of the Mueller report...there was plenty of smoke there.  Nothing close to the level of framed.

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just for ####s and giggles, I looked up past SOTU addresses on youtube. 

In 2017 He did shake Paul Ryan and Pence's Hands

in 2018 He did not shake either's hands (and neither offered) 

in 2019: He shook both Pelosi and Pense's Hands (NP seemed much more jovial in the exchange)

2020: Did not shake either hand, did not even offer to Pence 

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6 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Remember when Trump said grab em by the #####?  That's just classy locker room talk, and none of the multiple credible rape allegations have been proven in criminal court. But what kind of monster would ever rip up a piece of paper in a locker room? She's going to lose all the votes! 

You're being trolled into looking silly. Literally no one is going to care one way or the other. Everything that comes from the White House is a smokescreen. REMEMBER: confusion is the currency of wolves.

Stay focused imo.

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7 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Remember when Trump said grab em by the #####?  That's just classy locker room talk, and none of the multiple credible rape allegations have been proven in criminal court. But what kind of monster would ever rip up a piece of paper in a locker room? She's going to lose all the votes! 

You are on a roll tonight.

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20 minutes ago, Sand said:

Politics is perception.  Anecdotes create perception.

The First Step Act was a bipartisan bill and DJT was smart  to sign it into law.  He has talked a good but about reforms there - this isn't a new thing.  Being so bipartisan makes it one of a very few bills like that lately and it looks to be a very good piece if legislation.

I don't think it's a bad piece of legislation. It's aptly named "first step" but it's not a bad first step. It may impact <1% of people incarcerated. 

My issue is with his statement that he has "completely reformed" or whatever. That's a very gross overstatement. 

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Just now, squistion said:

A copy of a speech distributed to every member of Congress and the press has to be retained for document retention?

What if somebody wanted to FOIA it?

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1 minute ago, PhantomJB said:

I think it is exactly what she wanted. It appeared very calculated for the cameras. She is too politically shrewd and experienced to fly off the handle.

I think she felt like she needed to do it after the handshake deal. She didn’t want everyone talking about that. She only made it worse though. 

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14 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Remember when Trump said grab em by the #####?  That's just classy locker room talk, and none of the multiple credible rape allegations have been proven in criminal court. But what kind of monster would ever rip up a piece of paper in a locker room? She's going to lose all the votes! 

Deflect deflect deflect.  

It was a bad move by Pelosi.  And you're so consumed with Trump hate, you can't just acknowledge and move on.  Nope, gotta point out something else.  

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1 minute ago, NREC34 said:

I think she felt like she needed to do it after the handshake deal. She didn’t want everyone talking about that. She only made it worse though. 

Yeah. I can see that too. She had a pretty strong reaction to the apparent handshake spurn and could have been stewing all speech long. 

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20 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Remember when Trump said grab em by the #####?  That's just classy locker room talk, and none of the multiple credible rape allegations have been proven in criminal court. But what kind of monster would ever rip up a piece of paper in a locker room? She's going to lose all the votes! 

Yes, then we elected him president. Then we couldn't get over that fact and can't stop saying hes the problem. See the cycle here?  

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Not a Trump fan by any means, but its pretty scary how easily he was able to basically troll Pelosi and the Democrats into looking like fools.

Everyone expected him to use tonight as a victory lap with the upcoming acquittal but he didn't. We all know what he's thinking and what he WANTS to say, (basically "nah nah nah nah naaaaaaaaaah naaaaaaah")  but he held back.  I think parts of the speech (the exploitation of victims) were disgusting and I dont believe for a second that all the great numbers (unemployment) are the result of things he's done, but he gave the most hopeful and non divisive speech that Donald Trump is capable of giving (a low bar, obviously)

Pelosi somehow managed to make Donald Trump look like the adult in the room with her stupid facial expressions and the speech ripping. AOC (who, like it or not, is one of the faces of the democratic party) gave her best effort to make it about her (basically reinforcing every millennial stereotype possible, and this is coming from someone who is, unfortunately, technically a millennial) and every single high ranking democrat caught on camera was making some stupid face or some other sort of gesture/body language that made them look like pouting children.

Don't get me wrong......I personally think Trump should be removed from office (although I'll admit I'm not 100% up on ALL the details) and I think that the Republican Senate has acted in a disgusting manner (and they'll be judged accordingly, hopefully some of them in November) to muck up the process and make a real trial impossible.

But at this point...if you're a democrat....you've lost the battle (unfairly, IMO, but it is what it is) . It's over. So suck it up, show some maturity/leadership and win the war. It's really not that complicated and its absolutely baffling that these people, who are supposed to be the best of us (in theory anyway) dont get that. 

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3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Things are moving so fast none of all that junk you guys are pointing out is going to count in November.  So much is going to happen between then and now his will all be ancient history

Sure, but see the trend tho?  Dems been trying to cause a turn over so long to change the momentum, but, they can't get out of their own way and it's the 4th quarter. Unless Mayor Pete is Parick Mahomes they in trouble. 

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19 minutes ago, squistion said:

A copy of a speech distributed to every member of Congress and the press has to be retained for document retention?

We presume, but do not know that her copy was the same as all the others.  It might have contained different provisions or even a hand written notation.  A document submitted to the presiding officer, on the dais, during a public meeting would be a document subject to filing and retention.  

 

I am not suggesting anything here.  It was just a matter that caught my attention given my employment responsibilities currently. An insubstantial aside.  A point of insignificant interest, probably only for the most nebbishy of persons.  Besides, she did not burn it.  It remained on the dais as far as I could tell.

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20 minutes ago, Sam Quentin said:

She’s an actual maverick rather than just playing one on TV for maximum attention whoring.

McCain was an actual fighter pilot and POW. 😐

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

How will he protect pre-existing conditions and get rid of Obamacare at the same time? Please explain, thanks. 

When I moved to Idaho almost ten years ago, it was one of four states that had a law to protect pre-exisiting conditions.  Well before Obamacare.  So it can easily be done.  Removing Obamacare doesn't mean Pre-exisiting has to be eliminated.

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45 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

We presume, but do not know that her copy was the same as all the others.  It might have contained different provisions or even a hand written notation.  A document submitted to the presiding officer, on the dais, during a public meeting would be a document subject to filing and retention.  

 

I am not suggesting anything here.  It was just a matter that caught my attention given my employment responsibilities currently. An insubstantial aside.  A point of insignificant interest, probably only for the most nebbishy of persons.  Besides, she did not burn it.  It remained on the dais as far as I could tell.

Destruction of government documents is illegal and subject to fines and up to three years in prison.  If hers was an "official" document given to the House to be kept on file, she could very well see a lot of problems arising from this(and republicans would love that).

However, I think it'll probably be called a copy of the official document and therefore not subject to the same statute governing that document's destruction.

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