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3 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Trump literally spends his entire day insulting Democrats.  Nervous Nancy. Sleepy Joe Biden. Tiny Mike Bloomberg....    The second someone actually strikes back, "Wow, she played right into his hands. Now he's guaranteed reelection."     So laughable. 

Monday: Trump is bad.

Tuesday: Trump is bad.

Wednesday: Trump is bad.

Thursday: Trump is bad.

Friday: We should be more like Trump.

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I abhor Trump's antics and I don't care how much he lies, cheats, steals, ... you won't win getting in the mud with him.  His supporters don't care how deplorable he is.  Don't do something even as simple as ripping up a speech, it makes you look like you are down at his level, even though what you did wasn't one one-thousandths of the the low-life antics he does.  Don't step into that basket with him.

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3 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Monday: Trump is bad.

Tuesday: Trump is bad.

Wednesday: Trump is bad.

Thursday: Trump is bad.

Friday: We should be more like Trump.

No we should not be more like Trump, he is deplorable!  If anyone here thinks anyone should be more like him they are sorely mistaken and probably deplorable as well.

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1 minute ago, IvanKaramazov said:

I had a problem with Pelosi last night, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, and I'm not going to vote for him in 2020.  

Same here.  The childish antics don't help the case of being the real adults in the room.  Schiff's paraphrasing, the clapping at the passing of impeachment articles, the ripping of the speech.  None of it helps the image they want to project.  Might as well start throwing nicknames back at Trump if childish displays are what they are going for.

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7 minutes ago, KPD said:

Same here.  The childish antics don't help the case of being the real adults in the room.  Schiff's paraphrasing, the clapping at the passing of impeachment articles, the ripping of the speech.  None of it helps the image they want to project.  Might as well start throwing nicknames back at Trump if childish displays are what they are going for.

Is there enough of them to win an election?

We all acknowledge Trump does similar things, at the expense of alienating the "real adults in the room" vote.....because he knows his vocal supporters love it.  I would have wagered Trump had something similar "ceremoniously" planned for copies of the Articles of Impeachment.  Maybe Pelosi has a similar finger on the pulse of the vocal Democratic supporter and knows that little things like this are effective with them in heightening their intensity. 

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18 minutes ago, KPD said:

Both sure have lead to a lot of stupid from a lot of Americans.

Won’t argue that. One is superficial stupidity (and really just one of many products of times). The other normalized vitriol. He called made fun of a thirteen year old Chelsea Clinton’s looks saying she was the White House dog. He said all criminals look like Jesse Jackson. Said Michael J Fox was exaggerating his Parkinson’s. Said Natives all own casinos now so they should stop complaining about genocide. Give me someone selling lip gloss over that any day of the week.

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15 minutes ago, toshiba said:

I abhor Trump's antics and I don't care how much he lies, cheats, steals, ... you won't win getting in the mud with him.  His supporters don't care how deplorable he is.  Don't do something even as simple as ripping up a speech, it makes you look like you are down at his level, even though what you did wasn't one one-thousandths of the the low-life antics he does.  Don't step into that basket with him.

I agree.,..but how overblown is this?

Is Nancy Pelosi running for president?  Is anyone actually changing a vote because something a non-candidate did at the end of the SOTU?  Was it juvenile?   Yes...does it really move the needle at the end of the day?  Likely no.

Hell...as dumb as it was...how much time will be talked about that rather than even the good parts of the speech?  This thread has been pages about that rather than any actual good points about the speech.

 

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55 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It was a disgrace to give Rush Limbaugh the Medal of Freedom. 

I don’t want to see any one sick and I wish Rush the best and hope he recovers. But that doesn’t mean he deserves to be celebrated. This man is the single biggest reason for the divisiveness we have today. For 30 years he has nurtured white resentment, spread lie after lie about the mainstream news media mainly as a means to promote himself as an alternative, and by doing so has created a false reality that million of Americans unfortunately accept. No American in recent history that I can think of has been more damaging to the United States. 

I can think of one. 

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SOTU was a win for Trump and an L for Democrats but I am not sure it matters much. Lines are pretty well drawn and now it’s probably mostly about turnout at this point. Can the Dems find a candidate that excites enough people to get out and vote? How many of those who hesitantly voted Trump in 2016 are willing to go out and do it again? 

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15 minutes ago, KPD said:

Same here.  The childish antics don't help the case of being the real adults in the room.  Schiff's paraphrasing, the clapping at the passing of impeachment articles, the ripping of the speech.  None of it helps the image they want to project.  Might as well start throwing nicknames back at Trump if childish displays are what they are going for.

I agree 100%.  Even if it doesn't cost them a single vote they should conduct themselves as professionals.  These are our elected officials and they represent us. They should be above this kind of behavior especially in front on a national audience.   Very disappointing and I am glad they aren't from Pennsylvania.   

Anyone condoning these childish acts should seriously think again before criticizing Trump.

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Just now, sho nuff said:

I agree.,..but how overblown is this?

Is Nancy Pelosi running for president?  Is anyone actually changing a vote because something a non-candidate did at the end of the SOTU?  Was it juvenile?   Yes...does it really move the needle at the end of the day?  Likely no.

Hell...as dumb as it was...how much time will be talked about that rather than even the good parts of the speech?  This thread has been pages about that rather than any actual good points about the speech.

 

Exactly what they want! Us against them, look how evil democrats are. 

And it’s unfair when you compare to what they do. Totally different set of rules. 

She was not exactly smart to get riled up by the handshake snub and do this. Not smart to even think the guy would actually want to shake your hand after you just (rightfully) impeached him. 

Big time unforced error lol. 

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22 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Monday: Trump is bad.

Tuesday: Trump is bad.

Wednesday: Trump is bad.

Thursday: Trump is bad.

Friday: We should be more like Trump.

Maybe you're the type that would accept being punched in the face every day of the week. Pelosi isn't. If you get punched Monday thru Thursday and decide to punch back on Friday, I don't feel you lost because you became like the other guy. I'd be punching back on Monday, but the fact that Pelosi takes a few before deciding she's had enough is fine by me.  Just wish the right would have been as outraged when he mocked the crippled guy or decided to throw babies in cages.

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22 minutes ago, GROOT said:

Ripping up a speech is like committing a personal foul when it you are losing 55-0 in the 4th quarter

What would the reaction have been if she decided to spit on him?  Or reach down and smack him in the face?   I think she probably decided to do the thing that was least damaging but still make her point. 

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2 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Exactly what they want! Us against them, look how evil democrats are. 

And it’s unfair when you compare to what they do. Totally different set of rules. 

She was not exactly smart to get riled up by the handshake snub and do this. Not smart to even think the guy would actually want to shake your hand after you just (rightfully) impeached him. 

Big time unforced error lol. 

Unforced error...sure.

But how big time...what will this really do?

IMO, nothing.  Its done in the next 2 days.  It will get overshadowed by the primaries and impeachment acquittal.

 

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58 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It was a disgrace to give Rush Limbaugh the Medal of Freedom. 

I don’t want to see any one sick and I wish Rush the best and hope he recovers. But that doesn’t mean he deserves to be celebrated. This man is the single biggest reason for the divisiveness we have today. For 30 years he has nurtured white resentment, spread lie after lie about the mainstream news media mainly as a means to promote himself as an alternative, and by doing so has created a false reality that million of Americans unfortunately accept. No American in recent history that I can think of has been more damaging to the United States. 

Well said.  Rush is and has been part of the problem with divisiveness in America.  He isn't the only one by a long shot but bestowing an honor like this on him makes it pretty clear this administration has no interest in trying to bridge differences and finding compromise.

Again there are plenty of examples of this on the left as well but these people, regardless of political stance, shouldn't be receiving such honors.  

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36 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Do you honestly not realize that everyone who had a problem with Pelosi last night had already voted for Trump in 2016 and planned on it again in 2020?

 

This is factually incorrect. 

33 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

I had a problem with Pelosi last night, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, and I'm not going to vote for him in 2020.  

Same here. 

My problem with Pelosi is she is lowering herself to Trump’s level.  There are ways of not taking Trump’s crap without acting classless and petulant. Pelosi failed in that regard. 

And the reason is was a mistake is this: many are almost immune to Trump’s buffoonery. He says so much inane crap that it goes in one ear and out the other for many. Meanwhile, the Democrats have tried to position themselves as being better than that, but their actions show that they really aren’t. Trump does not have a Washington monopoly on acting like a child. 

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37 minutes ago, toshiba said:

No we should not be more like Trump, he is deplorable!  If anyone here thinks anyone should be more like him they are sorely mistaken and probably deplorable as well.

Someone watches/reads too much CNN.  Find another word....

:rolleyes:

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Can we talk about the actual speech?

Team Trump has repeated so many times that he inherited a mess and this is the greatest economy in history. That’s just BS. He said he will protect pre-existing conditions. It’s just lies. 

This is what is important.

A little more important than Trump not shaking hands or Nancy having a fit.

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8 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Well said.  Rush is and has been part of the problem with divisiveness in America.  He isn't the only one by a long shot but bestowing an honor like this on him makes it pretty clear this administration has no interest in trying to bridge differences and finding compromise.

Again there are plenty of examples of this on the left as well but these people, regardless of political stance, shouldn't be receiving such honors.  

Everyone that follows it considers Rush a trailblazer in conservative journalism.

I would have never lobbied or argued for him to get this award.  But the guys dying from cancer.  Why can’t you just smile and move on?  

Instead, giving a dying guy a medal is divisive.  Let’s talk about how Rush is part of the problem.  

The fact that people need to call a dying guy part of the problem on his way out is, in fact, part of the problem.

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

Can we talk about the actual speech?

Team Trump has repeated so many times that he inherited a mess and this is the greatest economy in history. That’s just BS. He said he will protect pre-existing conditions. It’s just lies. 

This is what is important.

A little more important than Trump not shaking hands or Nancy having a fit.

And that is what will be focused on when its talked about by Democrats...and the candidates.

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

Can we talk about the actual speech?

Team Trump has repeated so many times that he inherited a mess and this is the greatest economy in history. That’s just BS. He said he will protect pre-existing conditions. It’s just lies. 

This is what is important.

A little more important than Trump not shaking hands or Nancy having a fit.

The speech was mostly garbage but doesn’t matter. At all. 

I honestly don’t think Trump could’ve had a better night. 

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

Can we talk about the actual speech?

Team Trump has repeated so many times that he inherited a mess and this is the greatest economy in history. That’s just BS. He said he will protect pre-existing conditions. It’s just lies. 

This is what is important.

A little more important than Trump not shaking hands or Nancy having a fit.

This is today’s politics in our country, unfortunately. Keep us distracted and fighting amongst each other instead of discussing what really matters. And we keep falling for it. Shame on all of us. 

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3 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

The speech was mostly garbage but doesn’t matter. At all. 

I honestly don’t think Trump could’ve had a better night. 

I really don’t know what to say to this. 

If everyone just accepts this “greatest economy ever” crap and focuses on Pelosi’s face, well eeessh.

Can we at least do both?

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14 minutes ago, jm192 said:

Everyone that follows it considers Rush a trailblazer in conservative journalism.

I would have never lobbied or argued for him to get this award.  But the guys dying from cancer.  Why can’t you just smile and move on?  

Instead, giving a dying guy a medal is divisive.  Let’s talk about how Rush is part of the problem.  

The fact that people need to call a dying guy part of the problem on his way out is, in fact, part of the problem.

It's not just a medal; it's a medal that is supposed to be reserved for individuals who have made especially meritorious contributions to society. I think people were pretty respectful about not calling him out until the step to deify him in that way.  

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Love or hate it... Nancy Pelosi got what she wanted.. and that is the attention away from President Trumps speech.  

So despite that many say  President Trump speech was one of his best, the talking point is not the speech, but the tearing up of the speech.  Which will be forgotten when the next big news story breaks.  

Looks like the Dems may be playing on the same field as the GOP.. which means we all lose.. 

Look at the this board.. its all about Pelosi and not Trump.  Thats a win for the Dems   

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

I really don’t know what to say to this. 

If everyone just accepts this “greatest economy ever” crap and focuses on Pelosi’s face, well eeessh.

Can we at least do both?

He has loads of people fooled about the economy. He rails against fake news and draining the swamp when the market is a fake bubble and his whole crew are the worst swamp creatures imaginable. 

He has so many people fooled. Last night just helped him solidify those already fooled and probably brought more in. 

The only chance I can see of him losing is if the market crashes like it did on Bush in ‘08. He will do and say anything he can to keep it from happening. 

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15 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

 

He has so many people fooled. Last night just helped him solidify those already fooled and probably brought more in. 

 

February 03, 2020, 7:30 AM

Kathy Frankovic

On Tuesday, President Donald Trump will give a State of the Union message to Congress and the American public. The latest Economist/YouGov Poll finds that his public audience will likely be supporters – as most Democrats claim they will not be watching and don’t want to watch (58%).

This partisan nature of the State of the Union viewing audience is normal: historically, Democrats are much more interested in watching addresses by Democratic presidents than they are about watching Republican presidents speak, and vice versa. Most Independents this year also say they won’t be watching the President make his case before Congress.

Whatever the President says, it may not affect many people. State of the Union messages tend not to change minds, and this one is no exception. Just 8 percent of the public – and only 13 percent of those who say they are likely to watch – think their opinions could change because of what the President says in his speech.  Most only expect to be confirmed in their beliefs.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/02/03/state-of-the-union-2020-poll

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41 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

What would the reaction have been if she decided to spit on him?  Or reach down and smack him in the face?   I think she probably decided to do the thing that was least damaging but still make her point. 

What point?   "Look at me I am going to act like a child having a tantrum"  Trump trolled Pelosi into losing her cool. 

Why??  There was no need to get in the mud.  It makes it look personal and that is what Trump has been saying all along.  So now all the radio shows are talking about Pelosi's behavior, we don`t need that.

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57 minutes ago, sho nuff said:
1 hour ago, toshiba said:

I abhor Trump's antics and I don't care how much he lies, cheats, steals, ... you won't win getting in the mud with him.  His supporters don't care how deplorable he is.  Don't do something even as simple as ripping up a speech, it makes you look like you are down at his level, even though what you did wasn't one one-thousandths of the the low-life antics he does.  Don't step into that basket with him.

I agree.,..but how overblown is this?

Is Nancy Pelosi running for president?  Is anyone actually changing a vote because something a non-candidate did at the end of the SOTU?  Was it juvenile?   Yes...does it really move the needle at the end of the day?  Likely no.

Hell...as dumb as it was...how much time will be talked about that rather than even the good parts of the speech?  This thread has been pages about that rather than any actual good points about the speech.

I think it is very overblown and your final point is exactly why she shouldn't do it.  

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7 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

What point?   "Look at me I am going to act like a child having a tantrum"  Trump trolled Pelosi into losing her cool. 

Why??  There was no need to get in the mud.  It makes it look personal and that is what Trump has been saying all along.  So now all the radio shows are talking about Pelosi's behavior, we don`t need that.

Losing her cool?

Dude that was as deliberate as everything else she does.

Right or wrong, it's all calculated on her part.

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36 minutes ago, Copeman said:
1 hour ago, toshiba said:

No we should not be more like Trump, he is deplorable!  If anyone here thinks anyone should be more like him they are sorely mistaken and probably deplorable as well.

Someone watches/reads too much CNN.  Find another word....

:rolleyes:

I love that word, it has nothing to do with CNN.  Though if they use it like me, it might be for the same reason.  

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Just now, NREC34 said:

Setting Pelosi aside...there were other times in the speech where the Democrats should have politely clapped and they didn’t. Just more fodder that can be used against them. 

Yeah, I imagine there's a lot of people out there who vote based on SOTU clapping...

Seriously, who cares? It's all theater.

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49 minutes ago, jm192 said:

Everyone that follows it considers Rush a trailblazer in conservative journalism.

I would have never lobbied or argued for him to get this award.  But the guys dying from cancer.  Why can’t you just smile and move on?  

Instead, giving a dying guy a medal is divisive.  Let’s talk about how Rush is part of the problem.  

The fact that people need to call a dying guy part of the problem on his way out is, in fact, part of the problem.

That's a bizarre statement to make.   I have no dislike for the man as a person (he's a Steelers fan afterall!), don't wish him ill health and hope he is able to fully recover.  I can separate the person from the politics quite easily.

But I do not think his message has been good for America and has in part helped feed this divide.  Giving him the Medal of Freedom kind of gives it validation.  Rush's state of health really doesn't change that.   I would say the same thing if Al Sharpton was dying and was being given the Medal of Freedom by President Obama.   

 

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2 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

Setting Pelosi aside...there were other times in the speech where the Democrats should have politely clapped and they didn’t. Just more fodder that can be used against them. 

I do not see how it could have been much worse for them. 

Maybe but I doubt it has much sway with any voters.  It was the same under Obama -- for the most part it was his party was doing the clapping while the opposition party sat on their hands.  It wasn't that long ago...

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