SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I’m sure, and it took guts. That race will be interesting - a former prosecutor who voted to convict and a former US Attorney who was a witness and who Trump hates for (ethically) recusing.
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Mitt Romney votes to convict and remove Donald Trump (2 Viewers)
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Shula-holic
Footballguy
Could be. By in large I think Doug Jones is a good guy, I voted for him. But he also is going to be in need of a job and this helps within the party to find that when his time is over. He was likely out either way so one could argue he could gain some favor this way.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
It won't be close. Assuming Jeff Sessions wins the primary, and there's a lot of money flying around and ads on the air, he will smoke Doug Jones. Trump has said nothing bad about Sessions since he said he was running and every Sessions ad shows him being the first US Senator to endorse Trump. Sessions has more of an issue overcoming the Trump situation in the primary against Byrne and Tuberville. Roy Moore thankfully is an afterthought.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
He was in private practice at the point he ran and was elected from my recollection. Maybe he will be happy going back to that, a lot of politicians want that next political job of some sort.
joffer
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
I agree. I immediately thought him voting guilty on the 1st article & for acquittal on the 2nd was PURELY strategic.
It doesn't matter either way, anyway.
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Of course that's what he believes. Trump's defense was much stronger on the second article because normally these types of interbranch disputes are resolved by the courts.
That’s because him switching parties was about getting re-elected, not about doing what was right or acting with integrity.
MSNBC Brian Williams said someone said Romney should oppose Trump on the Democrat ticket, somewhat jokingly. But to be truthful that would absolutely the best case scenario for me, and even though he is being praised by many today including some Democrats, no way would the Democrats ever support a pro life candidate over President Trump
rockaction
Footballguy
That won't happen. Romney's platform has been so far away from the Demcratic one that it's a no-go in the primary. By far.
timschochet
Footballguy
Regarding the Trump fans and others who have come in here and argued that Romney’s decision was meaningless: every report is that Trump was incredibly angry and disappointed because the White House was counting on no Republicans voting to convict (apparently McConnell had assured Trump of this) and that some Democrats would vote to acquit.
So apparently Trump does not regard this as meaningless at all.
So apparently Trump does not regard this as meaningless at all.
jamny
Footballguy
The reason Romney voted in favor of witnesses is because he wanted to vote not guilty on the first. He was hoping for some reasonable doubt. The reason he voted not guilty on obstruction was because he believed that the Dems should have done all they could to compel Mulvaney and Bolton to testify while in the House and that Trump was legally in the right in his actions.
I admire Romney for his stand. But while I personally believe Trump did dangle the WH meeting and possibly the aid to an investigation into his political opponent, I don't think the Dems proved it. The should have gotten at least Bolton to testify, no matter how long it took. Romney saw it different and while I disagree with his decision, I respect it and feel it was done from the heart. It would have been much easier to just vote not guilty. I'm sure there are quite a few other Republicans that wish they had the balls to do what Romney did.
I admire Romney for his stand. But while I personally believe Trump did dangle the WH meeting and possibly the aid to an investigation into his political opponent, I don't think the Dems proved it. The should have gotten at least Bolton to testify, no matter how long it took. Romney saw it different and while I disagree with his decision, I respect it and feel it was done from the heart. It would have been much easier to just vote not guilty. I'm sure there are quite a few other Republicans that wish they had the balls to do what Romney did.
NREC34
Footballguy
What do you mean by save it?
Whatever they are doing is working better than the other side right now. At least as far as staying in power goes.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
Widbil83
Footballguy
As a former Mitt Romney voter, I can safely assure you if he was in any danger of losing re-election he wouldn’t have done this and he surely doesn’t have any integrity.
This is all sour grapes from Mitt on this. I hope he enjoyed feeling like he was President for a day.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
It is always good form to call people unAmerican if they support the wrong candidate.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I quoted it, so I am not sure why you can't find it.............
"Just further makes them look like toadys and enablers for the President. Make him a Martyr. Your duty isn't to America or the consitution. It's to Donald Trump and the Republican party only."
If someone dares implies Democrats are unAmerican, there is a storm of complaints. But I guess we can debate for pages and pages about whether he actually called anyone unAmerican. Or we can just agree it was kind of a crappy post and move on.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Typically they send missionaries after you knocking on your door weekly trying to preach the gospel back into you. They flood your mailbox full of their propaganda. Is Mitch trying to leave?
sho nuff
Footballguy
I can't find it...because he doesn't say anyone is unAmerican...and doesn't even imply they are unAmerican.
He states that their duty lately has been shown to be to party and Trump and not to America. There is a decent sized difference there and, lately, by some of their actions, I would agree with him.
There doesn't need to be pages of debate...because he didn't actually say what you are accusing him of saying.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The attacks on Romney are all the more ridiculous because of the Republicans who have rebuked Trump in some way. Murkowski, Collins, Sasse, Portman, Alexander... and Sasse said that Alexander speaks for ‘lots’ of Senators. I think Graham said something similar. The difference is those Sens said Trump ‘did it’ but they just wouldn’t remove him for it.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Just now at the prayer breakfast, President Trump said “I don’t like it when people use their faith to justify decisions that they know to be wrong”.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
"As everybody knows, my family, our great country and your president have been put through a terrible ordeal by some very dishonest and corrupt people they have done everything possible to destroy us and by so doing very badly hurt our nation."
Sounds to me like a man who is slowly screwing himself up to one of his eventual volcanic eruptions. He seems to need those from time to time to get back to level, for him.
Sounds to me like a man who is slowly screwing himself up to one of his eventual volcanic eruptions. He seems to need those from time to time to get back to level, for him.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Yep, just simply a matter of "the wrong candidate." A candidate's a candidate, after all.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
People have to leave the party or lose their seat to vote against the GOP block. Or worse.
timschochet
Footballguy
Umm no. This isn’t the thread for it but the 2nd article was perfectly justifiable given Trump’s actions.
joffer
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I did not watch the whole thing. Just the first minute or two. A full accounting will have to come from elsewhere. I am sure someone must have watched the whole thing.
squistion
Footballguy
Hmm...Couldn't the Republican block vote in Congress against both articles of impeachment also be considered "Sheeple in action"?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Oh, can this also be applied to people who hide behind their Bibles in order to deny others their Constitutional rights? Asking for friends.
Nope. Indirectly calling him a toady was enough to get him to say it was terrible posting. That of course got him reported and now he's suspended. Good job.
if you're so ready for the insults, you're welcome to bring it and see how that goes.
Dickies
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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