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That is isn't a fact and the mortality rate can't be accurately predicted at this time since this is the first exposure of the US public to this virus. 1% is a good guess but it could well be 2% like the flu epidemic of 1918, which was initially thought to be just another ordinary strain of the flu but turned out to be quite virulent (and more people died from it than were killed in WW1).
They literally asked the question "Do you agree with Trump's claim that the virus is a hoax?".
Fine. We all know what he says often isn't measured. We aren't doing that any favors by freaking out when he says something mathematically correct (mortality rate) or misconstruing what he says for political points (go to work if you are sick).
If they're actually asking "Do you agree with Trump that the virus is a hoax," and Trump clarified that he wasn't calling the virus a hoax...is the whole thing not intentionally misleading at that point?
The problem is I get that you understand that, but there’s large portions of the country that take his word as gospel. particularly some older demographic who are the people at the absolute highest risk. Again I get that he’s not measured and says lots of wacky things, In many instances that’s fine and nothing more than an annoyance. But here it’s just flat irresponsible.
This is a c/p but it's the response: He’s suggesting people can go to work with no consequences. It’s not that you can live your life and survive, it’s that you can infect others. Interpreting Trump’s telephonic brain into something rational doesn’t help that he’s speaking to millions who just hear that people who don’t die don’t count against the statistics and don’t pose a risk.
There are large portions of the country that hop on every misconstrue of what he says too. This is an example of that.
The are large portions of the country that excuse away the things he says because he’s just Trump. This is an example of that.
And Trumps ability to speak the truth isn’t on yours.
Let's stop arguing about it and just make a friendly wager. $20 says the actually number, no estimates, deaths in the US divided by recorded cases, is O/U 1.0% on election day this November. I'll take the under. You have to remember that 3.4% is the actual global mortality rate, that includes Wuhan where they eat bats and piss in the streets.
Sorry, I did say suggested. I can easily imagine someone listening to that and hearing Trump indicate that people go about their lives, to work, wherever, with the virus with no problems. If anyone wishes to employ the Babel Trump interpretation software to arrive at a rational translation that is always available for everything he says.
I have no interest in the bet, despite being a gambling man, because as I’ve said now multiple times it’s not about the numbers. That is not at all my point, and by now you know that. But I’m down to call truce and be done. I’m about to jump on a plane and head to Park city Utah to snowboard for the weekend. So nothing but good vibes heading into that.
A friendly wager on the percentage number of deaths in the US? :(
I would wager $100k on the over if I wanted to root on dead people. I won't bet bc I don't want that to happen (even though it will), but that is easiest money ever.
It isn't that he is lying about the virus it is that he
100KListen I know you think this is a hoax and not a big deal for you. But for normal people who aren't about which team is winning politically it is good to tell people that if you are sick to NOT go to work
Seems pretty clear
Most of us know and love someone who could be in a world of hurt if they got this virus (mortality rate for people over 80 is 15%). Yet so many on this board and on conservative mouthpieces (radio and web) are saying "no big deal" and "why shouldn't we just let this thing spread". Simple answer - if everyone gets this at the same time the health system will be overwhelmed and more people will suffer and die. If we can contain and limit the spread, we might be able to treat more people effectively and help tonydead win his bet.
Here’s what Trump said on Hannity:
Um, not really, he doesn't actually tell people to not go to work if they have the virus (which was what the OP asked).
Welp, in a health emergency, maybe the official government message to the people should be done by people who DO know what they are saying. Just sayin. He put Pence in charge to be the scapegoat (rumors), but he can't help himself from doing the talking himself anyway.
It's all doubletalk to mask the fact that he doesn't know much but thinks he can fool everyone into believing otherwise by using..........a lot of words.
Ok, so let's say Trump's take is 100% right. Why is anyone quarantined at all? Let the cruise boat dock, let the people who are on bases go home, no big deal. They will get better.
A very small percentage. I also bet we prob have a deaths in the last couple of weeks attributed to pneumonia (or something else related), but never tested for Covid-19. That's neither here nor there.
Do the math. What percent of infected people do you think we have accounted for right now?
“A lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor, they don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people. So you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu and or virus. So you just can’t do that. So, if you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work. Some of them go to work, but they get better.”
Because they were know to be returning from a region where the CV19 virus was actively infecting people, this isn't that hard.
Well we are just message board magic football players so what do we know. However, a counterpoint might be how all of the other governments worldwide are reacting.
Did other governments test every citizen? Everyone that had a cough, a runny nose, a fever? No, they set specific criteria for what the CV19 symptoms were and acted accordingly, same thing is happening in the US. Fact is, it affects people differently and as such you are never going to be able to accurately record the number of infected outside of testing every single person
