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Just now, caustic said:

Politico story

"Trump’s concern at this point is that going further could hamper his narrative that the coronavirus is similar to the seasonal flu, said the three people familiar with the discussions."

Since he can't admit he has ever been wrong, he's gonna have to stick with it.

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Australia has had months of little to no community spread and even then it was confined to one state. By and large Australians are running around doing the right thing, sport was and is still hap

This is going to be a one off post because I don't want to get trolled or banned but if I were American, the context of Canada would be the biggest damning fact of how things have been handled in the

I am confident we are going to hit >750K deaths.  I think it might be a million.  I don't post a ton but I'm an ER doc in a big city. This is by far the worse I've seen since the pandemic star

26 minutes ago, BroadwayG said:

Who's he going to throw under the bus during his oval office address tonight?

1. Deep State

2. China

3. Hillary

4. Pelosi

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59 minutes ago, Mookie said:

I attended a 3 hour coronavirus meeting this morning discussing planning and response at the local government level.  Our State (Idaho) has not had a positive test, and following the lead of our Commander in Chief, our current threat is deemed low despite our proximity to Washington, Oregon, and California. 

An ER doc stated at this meeting that when he examines a patient with coronavirus symptoms, he can only take a sample, which he then sends to a private lab for possible testing.  The private lab gets tests from the FDA and the CDC.  Since there are only a limited number of tests available in our State (1,000 TOTAL), testing is prioritized by the lab to be done on only the most severe, heavily symptomatic cases.  He estimated that due to this screening process, for every one patient presenting with coronovirus symptoms, which are often mild or moderate, there are hundreds who are not tested.  He finally stated that when our State announces its first confirmed coronavirus case, it will be statistically likely that we have 1000-1500 actual cases statewide.  This process and the significance of that first positive test was echoed by other State and regional health officials at the meeting.  

Until we have a positive test in our State, the State is declining to make any mandates or even recommendations as far as travel restrictions, school closures, or public gatherings.   Similarly, no federal mandates or recommendations will be forthcoming until then because we are considered "low risk".  They know it's only a matter of time, but they don't want to create "panic" based upon a "lack of evidence and data", which, of course, is tied directly to the lack of tests being performed on symptomatic patients in an attempt to keep the number of reported cases low.  Just wash your hands and don't touch your face kids. 

In the meantime, local governments are free to do whatever they feel is necessary, which will result in disproportionate responses from city to city and county to county.  The lack of available testing, information sharing, transparency, and a coordinated response is astounding and we are starting to see some "panic" amongst our more vulnerable populations.  This is not what good leadership looks like.

  

I live in Idaho too.  What happened to "Anyone who wants a test you can get a test"?

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1 minute ago, siffoin said:

I live in Idaho too.  What happened to "Anyone who wants a test you can get a test"?

There’s lots of other tests out there, just not the one you want. 

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:
2 hours ago, caustic said:

Per WaPo, some senate Republicans are expressing interest in passing House Democrats' paid leave bill. Momentum has shifted away from payroll tax cuts.

This makes so much more sense

Hearing that GOP Senators just killed the paid leave bill.

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24 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1

 

Politico reports that Trump's coronavirus task force has discussed an emergency declaration, but will not give Trump its final verdict on one until Jared Kushner "finishes his research and comes to a conclusion himself."

:mellow: I’m sure he’ll make a decision for the benefit of the country and not based on whether it benefits or harms his businesses.

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28 minutes ago, jm192 said:

I think they're going to move it to smaller venues and allow some family.  Hopefully adds some normalcy.

My point was, this situation is bigger than sports and why put even the participants in the position of having to travel just to hold a tournament.  Once one player gets it, the whole team has to go into quarantine, so after a couple of weeks, you might have Wyoming win it by default.

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Just now, mcintyre1 said:

Hearing that GOP Senators just killed the paid leave bill.

This was the senate bill, right? The house bill seems more promising, I think they're hoping to vote on it tomorrow.

I agree with Lamar Alexander's objections to the senate bill -- paid leave needs to be a govt-funded program, not an employer mandate. Requiring businesses to offer mass paid leave right as their revenues dry up is a recipe for job loss. Of course, I have no faith in congress's ability to agree on a funding mechanism for such a program -- but I think that's what needs to happen. Something like govt funded paid leave + employer payroll tax holiday would protect workers and keep businesses solvent so people have jobs to come back to. 

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9 minutes ago, KPD said:

My point was, this situation is bigger than sports and why put even the participants in the position of having to travel just to hold a tournament.  Once one player gets it, the whole team has to go into quarantine, so after a couple of weeks, you might have Wyoming win it by default.

Cowardly position by Emmert, I would have expected nothing less.  He wants to act like the martyr while protecting his television revenue.  He has no real regard for the people impacted who work around the arenas, the fans themselves, any of that.  He is a bottom line guy, if he wasn't he wouldn't be so worried about the television situation.  I'm still skeptical this thing goes off.

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1 minute ago, caustic said:

This was the senate bill, right? The house bill seems more promising, I think they're hoping to vote on it tomorrow.

I agree with Lamar Alexander's objections to the senate bill -- paid leave needs to be a govt-funded program, not an employer mandate. Requiring businesses to offer mass paid leave right as their revenues dry up is a recipe for job loss. Of course, I have no faith in congress's ability to agree on a funding mechanism for such a program -- but I think that's what needs to happen. Something like govt funded paid leave + employer payroll tax holiday would protect workers and keep businesses solvent so people have jobs to come back to. 

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that the bill was co-sponsored and introduced in both the Senate and House, so I think they're one and the same. I don't see any details on who foots the bill, but I agree that it'd need to be the government for now. 

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16 minutes ago, KPD said:

My point was, this situation is bigger than sports and why put even the participants in the position of having to travel just to hold a tournament.  Once one player gets it, the whole team has to go into quarantine, so after a couple of weeks, you might have Wyoming win it by default.

Lets Go Pokes!

Eta: its like 1943 all over again!

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1 minute ago, mcintyre1 said:

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that the bill was co-sponsored and introduced in both the Senate and House, so I think they're one and the same. I don't see any details on who foots the bill, but I agree that it'd need to be the government for now. 

Reading a little more, this is correct but it's different from the coronavirus response package House Dems are cooking up right now. The Murray-Delauro bill which Alexander just blocked was paid leave only, I understand.

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3 hours ago, ClownCausedChaos2 said:
5 hours ago, Amused to Death said:

Wait, I was assured by @GoBirds this is nothing more than a common cold. Who should I believe, GoBirds or the guy from NIH?

Well to be fair, the guy from NIH probably made that announcement after being scared to death by the mainstream media.

Spit out the hooks boys....the new normal.  

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1 hour ago, Snorkelson said:

The WHO declared a global pandemic, and half the country says we won’t get fooled again. Wonder what this will look like on 5/15. I can’t explain why my generation are thinking that the kids are alright. 

Got a feeling 21 is gonna be a good year, though...

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1 hour ago, caustic said:

Politico story

"Trump’s concern at this point is that going further could hamper his narrative that the coronavirus is similar to the seasonal flu, said the three people familiar with the discussions."

Sounds like someone on a forum defending an opinion they had at the beginning of a thread because they are too prideful to change their mind

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I think this offers some insight into what to expect from Trump tonight:

 

Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT

At meeting with finance executives at the White House today, according to person familiar w it, the execs played to the president's ego - told him the fundamentals of the economy are strong and that he made it that way - but that the psychology of the public needs to change.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I think this offers some insight into what to expect from Trump tonight:

 

Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT

At meeting with finance executives at the White House today, according to person familiar w it, the execs played to the president's ego - told him the fundamentals of the economy are strong and that he made it that way - but that the psychology of the public needs to change.

 

 

 

Setting up to be a disaster. This sounds like people I work with who are worried about their quota and haven’t come up for air to realize this isn’t a media hyped event.

Trump will cause a lot of doubling down it be does this, which won’t be good. 
 

That being said, I have a feeling even his base will soon start to realize he’s lost it.

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3 minutes ago, shader said:

Setting up to be a disaster. This sounds like people I work with who are worried about their quota and haven’t come up for air to realize this isn’t a media hyped event.

Trump will cause a lot of doubling down it be does this, which won’t be good. 
 

That being said, I have a feeling even his base will soon start to realize he’s lost it.

Now who's being delusional?

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2 hours ago, KPD said:

Since he can't admit he has ever been wrong, he's gonna have to stick with it.

He doesn’t need to admit he was wrong, he can just move on whenever he wants. I would expect the next angle to be that nobody saw this coming and it’s the biggest thing ever and nobody has ever seen anything like it but that he’s going to do something historic to stop it. 

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1 hour ago, KPD said:

My point was, this situation is bigger than sports and why put even the participants in the position of having to travel just to hold a tournament.  Once one player gets it, the whole team has to go into quarantine, so after a couple of weeks, you might have Wyoming win it by default.

i'm pulling my fennis dembo jersey out of the closet

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13 minutes ago, shader said:

 

That being said, I have a feeling even his base will soon start to realize he’s lost it.

I think you’re kind of in the early days, comparatively speaking, of recognizing and verbalizing how inept Trump is. So I’ll forgive you for your optimism here but rest assured: you’re going to start being consistently baffled by how the above never happens no matter what.

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14 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

The fun/scary part will be if he is reading this like a hostage video.

This is going to be what happens, with the minor difference that his kidnappers gave him a dozen lines of Adderall to snort.

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Why doesn’t this guy understand there is fear and this has nothing to do with the economy?

CDC: 1,200 dead yesterday sir

Trump: Get Mnuchin on the horn, tell him we need more tax cuts!! 

Can anyone explain this to him like he was 7 years old.

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People wanted to see the system blown up so they voted for Trump in 2016.  Many of these folks were older than 65 and have stood back and applauded what Trump has been doing.  They were happy to see the chaos he brought because they despised the federal government and all its programs to help people in need.

i have had personal conversations with folks about this topic, all around 2016 election time, where they assumed they’d be fine voting in a wrecking ball.

At this point, they’re getting more destruction than they bargained for and it’s not just the welfare queens driving cadillacs (literal convo with multiple trump supporters referenced this) that need to worry about what Trump bring, but it’s now themselves, their families, their friends...because they wanted to see destruction...they despised the federal system...they thought it was the others who benefitted from strong central leadership.  
 

it’s not all trump supporters who felt this way, but a significant number did...and god help us all.

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Virus Schmirus


A spokeswoman for President Trump's reelection campaign defended Trump's decision to continue holding campaign rallies despite the spread of coronavirus, saying in an interview with Fox Business Network's Stuart Varney that Trump is "the best authority on this issue."

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3 minutes ago, adonis said:

People wanted to see the system blown up so they voted for Trump in 2016.  Many of these folks were older than 65 and have stood back and applauded what Trump has been doing.  They were happy to see the chaos he brought because they despised the federal government and all its programs to help people in need.

i have had personal conversations with folks about this topic, all around 2016 election time, where they assumed they’d be fine voting in a wrecking ball.

At this point, they’re getting more destruction than they bargained for and it’s not just the welfare queens driving cadillacs (literal convo with multiple trump supporters referenced this) that need to worry about what Trump bring, but it’s now themselves, their families, their friends...because they wanted to see destruction...they despised the federal system...they thought it was the others who benefitted from strong central leadership.  
 

it’s not all trump supporters who felt this way, but a significant number did...and god help us all.

Yes Virginia, elections have consequences.

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1 minute ago, dozer said:

Virus Schmirus


A spokeswoman for President Trump's reelection campaign defended Trump's decision to continue holding campaign rallies despite the spread of coronavirus, saying in an interview with Fox Business Network's Stuart Varney that Trump is "the best authority on this issue."

This sounds a lot like brainwashing. I cannot believe that someone actually thinks this way.

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9 minutes ago, adonis said:

People wanted to see the system blown up so they voted for Trump in 2016.  Many of these folks were older than 65 and have stood back and applauded what Trump has been doing.  They were happy to see the chaos he brought because they despised the federal government and all its programs to help people in need.

i have had personal conversations with folks about this topic, all around 2016 election time, where they assumed they’d be fine voting in a wrecking ball.

At this point, they’re getting more destruction than they bargained for and it’s not just the welfare queens driving cadillacs (literal convo with multiple trump supporters referenced this) that need to worry about what Trump bring, but it’s now themselves, their families, their friends...because they wanted to see destruction...they despised the federal system...they thought it was the others who benefitted from strong central leadership.  
 

it’s not all trump supporters who felt this way, but a significant number did...and god help us all.

That's nothing,today I saw some gal buy 16oz of hand sanitizer with food stamps. 

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Some sad truth to this:

 

Mark Landler @MarkLandler

The botched coronavirus response is a failure of global leadership. Populism, denigration of science and denial of truth all play a part.

But the absence of American leadership is decisive.

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42 minutes ago, adonis said:

People wanted to see the system blown up so they voted for Trump in 2016.  Many of these folks were older than 65 and have stood back and applauded what Trump has been doing.  They were happy to see the chaos he brought because they despised the federal government and all its programs to help people in need.

i have had personal conversations with folks about this topic, all around 2016 election time, where they assumed they’d be fine voting in a wrecking ball.

At this point, they’re getting more destruction than they bargained for and it’s not just the welfare queens driving cadillacs (literal convo with multiple trump supporters referenced this) that need to worry about what Trump bring, but it’s now themselves, their families, their friends...because they wanted to see destruction...they despised the federal system...they thought it was the others who benefitted from strong central leadership.  
 

it’s not all trump supporters who felt this way, but a significant number did...and god help us all.

I'll take a whole bunch of things that never happened for 100 Alex.

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43 minutes ago, adonis said:

People wanted to see the system blown up so they voted for Trump in 2016.  Many of these folks were older than 65 and have stood back and applauded what Trump has been doing.  They were happy to see the chaos he brought because they despised the federal government and all its programs to help people in need.

i have had personal conversations with folks about this topic, all around 2016 election time, where they assumed they’d be fine voting in a wrecking ball.

At this point, they’re getting more destruction than they bargained for and it’s not just the welfare queens driving cadillacs (literal convo with multiple trump supporters referenced this) that need to worry about what Trump bring, but it’s now themselves, their families, their friends...because they wanted to see destruction...they despised the federal system...they thought it was the others who benefitted from strong central leadership.  
 

it’s not all trump supporters who felt this way, but a significant number did...and god help us all.

I'll take a whole bunch of things that never happened for 100 Alex.

I'm about to file you away in the "disengenous" folder.  

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1 minute ago, Mister CIA said:

I'm about to file you away in the "disengenous" folder.  

Let me help you.

I had actual conversations with real liberals telling me how they really want communism but they just call it socialism to trick everyone. They really said this. Really. I mean, Not all of them felt this way, but a totally statistically significant number did and may Allah help us all.

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