McBokonon
Footballguy
"He was right to not want to cause a panic. He really is the best. Sleepy Joe would have caused a panic and then napped."
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
Government Response To The Coronavirus (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter James Daulton
- Start date
- Status
Rich Conway
Footballguy
H Jass
Footballguy
You absolutely nailed this. I can see it on the Facebooks already. "Nancy would've still gotten her hair done. Derp Derp Derp"
msommer
Footballguy
It seems bikers and native South Dakotans were not, after all, immune to COVID-19
Iowa and South Dakota emerge as hot spots
Iowa and South Dakota emerge as hot spots
The Commish
Footballguy
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
190,000 dead Americans and millions sick and not only did he not do a damn thing to try and prevent any of it, he was, and is, lying telling people it was a hoax and it nothing to worry about. He should be hauled away and thrown in jail for the rest of his miserable life.
Last edited by a moderator:
msommer
Footballguy
Let's keep some sense of proportion here, it's only like three Vietnam wars in seven months (and rising)...
108 times (and counting) that Trump downplayed the virus:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/12/trump-coronavirus-timeline/
Jan. 22: On whether he was worried about a pandemic: “No, we’re not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”
Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”
Jan. 29: “Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”
Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”
Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”
Feb. 7: “Nothing is easy, but [Chinese President Xi Jinping] … will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”
Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”
Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”
Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”
Feb. 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus, including the very early closing of our borders to certain areas of the world.”
Feb. 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.”
Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."
Feb. 26:
Q: This is spreading — or is going to spread, maybe, within communities. That’s the expectation.
A: It may. It may.
Q: Does that worry you?
A: No. ... No, because we’re ready for it. It is what it is. We’re ready for it. We’re really prepared. ... We hope it doesn’t spread. There’s a chance that it won’t spread too, and there’s a chance that it will, and then it’s a question of at what level.
Feb. 27: “Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
Feb. 28: “We are working on cures and we’re getting some very good results.”
Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. There’s one who is quite sick, but maybe he’s gonna be fine. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."
Feb. 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. ... And this is their new hoax.”
Feb. 29: “We’re the number one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”
March 2: “On average, you lose from 26,000-70,000 or so and even some cases more from the flu. ... So far, we have six [coronavirus deaths] here.”
March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”
March 5: “With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths.”
March 6: “We did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said: ‘Calm. You have to be calm. It’ll go away.' ”
March 7: “It came out of China, and we heard about it. And made a good move: We closed it down; we stopped it. Otherwise — the head of CDC said last night that you would have thousands of more problems if we didn’t shut it down very early. That was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."
March 7: “We’re doing very well and we’ve done a fantastic job.”
March 8: Retweets a story about Surgeon General Jerome Adams playing down the risk of coronavirus for Trump personally.
March 9: “The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, ‘The risk is low to the average American.’ ”
March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
March 10: “As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more.”
March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”
March 12: “It’s going to go away. … The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”
March 13: Says the Food and Drug Administration “will bring, additionally, 1.4 million tests on board next week and 5 million within a month. I doubt we’ll need anywhere near that.”
March 14: “We’re using the full power of the federal government to defeat the virus, and that’s what we’ve been doing.” Also retweeted supporter Candace Owens, who cited “good news” on the coronavirus, including that “Italy is hit hard, experts say, because they have the oldest population in Europe (average age of those that have died is 81).”
March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”
March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. … I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus.”
March 17: “We’re going to win. And I think we’re going to win faster than people think — I hope.”
March 23: “America will again and soon be open for business. … Parts of our country are very lightly affected.”
March 24: “You’re going to lose a number of people to the flu. But you’re going to lose more people by putting a country into a massive recession or depression.”
On seeking to reopen portions of the American economy by April 12: “It’s such an important day for other reasons, but I’ll make it an important day for this, too. … I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter.”
AD
March 25: “There are large sections of our country — probably can go back to work much sooner than other sections. … It’s hard not to be happy with the job we’re doing, that I can tell you."
March 26: “They have to go back to work; our country has to go back. Our country is based on that, and I think it’s going to happen pretty quickly.”
March 29: “So you’re talking about [worst-case scenarios of] 2.2 million deaths, 2.2 million people from this. And so if we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 — it’s a horrible number, maybe even less — but to 100,000. So we have between 100 and 200,000, and we altogether have done a very good job."
March 30: “New York is really in trouble, but I think it’s going to end up being fine. We’re loading it up, we’re stocking it up. … And then by a little short of June, maybe June 1, we think the — you know, it’s a terrible thing to say, but — we think the deaths will be at a very low number. It’ll be brought down to a very low number from right now, from where it’s getting to reach its peak.”
March 30: “Stay calm, it will go away. You know it is going away."
March 31: “It's going to go away, hopefully at the end of the month and if not, it hopefully will be soon after that."
April 2: “Our states, generally speaking, it's like lots of different countries all over. We have -- many of those countries are doing a phenomenal job. They're really flat."
April 3: “The CDC is advising the use of nonmedical cloth face covering as an additional voluntary public health measure. So it’s voluntary; you don’t have to do it.”
April 7: “It did -- it will go away."
April 9: “There are certain sections in the country that are in phenomenal shape already. Other sections are coming online; other sections are going down."
April 10: “Hard to believe that if you had 60,000 [deaths] -- you could never be happy, but that’s a lot fewer than we were originally told and thinking.”
April 22: “It may not come back at all [in the fall/winter].”
April 28: “This is going to go away. And whether it comes back in a modified form in the fall, we'll be able to handle it."
April 29: “It's going to go. It's going to leave. It's going to be gone. It's going to be eradicated."
May 5: “Will some people be affected? Yes. Will some people be affected badly? Yes. But we have to get our country open.”
May 5: “With or without a vaccine, it’s going to pass.”
May 6: “This virus is going to disappear. It’s a question of when.”
May 8: “This is going to go away without a vaccine.”
May 11: “We have met the moment, and we have prevailed. ... We’ve prevailed on testing, is what I’m referring to.”
May 14: “If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”
May 15: “It’ll go away — at some point, it’ll go away.”
May 19: “Many of these people aren’t very sick, but they still go down as a case.”
June 15: “Even without [widespread testing], you know, at some point this stuff goes away and it’s going away. Our numbers are much lower now.”
June 15: “If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.”
June 16: “I always say, even without it [a vaccine], it goes away.”
June 17: “The numbers are very minuscule compared to what it was. It’s dying out.”
June 17: “It’s going to fade away. But having a vaccine would be really nice. And that’s going to happen.”
June 18: “America is better supplied and more prepared to [reopen] than, I would say, just about any other place.”
June 18: “It is dying out. The numbers are starting to get very good.”
June 20: “Many call it a virus, which it is. Many call it a flu, what difference?”
June 21: “Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries.”
June 23: “You know, people get sick from the other also. It’s not just from the virus. They get sick from all of the other things that happen. You know what I mean.”
June 23: “Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding. With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!”
June 25: “If we didn’t want to test, or if we didn’t test, we wouldn’t have cases. But we have cases because we test.”
June 25: “So when you do 30 million, you’re going to have a kid with the sniffles, and they’ll say it’s coronavirus — whatever you want to call it. … In some cases, it’s people that didn’t even know they were sick. Maybe they weren’t. But it shows up in a test.”
June 25: “Our Economy is roaring back and will NOT be shut down. ‘Embers’ or flare ups will be put out, as necessary!”
July 1: “I think we are going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that, at some point, that’s going to sort of just disappear, I hope.”
July 2: “There is a rise in Coronavirus cases because our testing is so massive and so good, far bigger and better than any other country.”
July 4: “By so [so much testing], we show cases — 99 percent of which are totally harmless — results that no other country can show because no other country has testing that we have, not in terms of the numbers or in terms of the quality.”
July 5: “New China Virus Cases up (because of massive testing), deaths are down, ‘low and steady’. The Fake News Media should report this and also, that new job numbers are setting records!”
July 6: “Deaths from the China Virus are down 39%, while our great testing program continues to lead the World, by FAR! Why isn’t the Fake News reporting that Deaths are way down? It is only because they are, indeed, FAKE NEWS!”
July 9: “So we have tests; other countries don’t do tests like we do. So we show cases; other countries don’t show cases.”
July 9: “We have cases all over the place. Most of those cases immediately get better. They get — people — they’re young people. They have sniffles, and two days later, they are fine.”
July 9: “For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!”
July 14: “No other country tests like us. In fact, I could say it’s working too much. It’s working too well. We’re doing testing and we’re finding thousands and thousands of cases. If it’s a young guy who’s got sniffles, who’s you know 10 years old, gets tested, all of a sudden he’s a case and he’s gonna be better tomorrow.”
July 19: “It’s going to disappear and I’ll be right.”
July 21: “It will disappear.”
July 21: “You will never hear this on the Fake News concerning the China Virus, but by comparison to most other countries, who are suffering greatly, we are doing very well - and we have done things that few other countries could have done!”
July 22: “I say, ‘It’s going to disappear.’ And they say, ‘Oh, that’s terrible.’ ... Well, it’s true. I mean, it’s going to disappear.”
July 31: “We have more Cases because we do more Testing. It’s Lamestream Media Gold!”
Aug. 1: “If we tested less, there would be less cases.”
Aug. 3: “It’s under control as much as you can control it.”
Aug. 3: “Cases up because of BIG Testing! Much of our Country is doing very well. Open the Schools!”
Aug. 5: “It will go away like things go away and my view is that schools should be open.”
Aug. 5: “No question in my mind, it will go away.”
Aug. 6: “So because we have the tests, we give them cases. Other countries that don’t do this testing, they don’t have cases.”
Aug. 7: “It’s going to disappear.”
Aug. 10: “It’s very interesting because we’re so far ahead of testing, we have more cases. If we had much smaller testing, would have fewer, but we feel that having testing is a very important thing.”
Aug. 11: “Many people get it and they have — like kids, they get it, they have the sniffles — young kids, almost none have a serious problem with it.”
Aug. 12: “When you do as much testing as us, however, as you understand, you develop more cases.”
Aug. 13: “It’s going to be going away.”
Aug. 17: “It’s going away, but we’re also going to have vaccines very soon.”
Aug. 17: “The China plague will fade.”
Aug. 17: “It’s going to be gone. And it’s going to be gone soon.”
Aug. 24: “It’s all coming back so fast that you’ll see it, and the pandemic goes away. The vaccines are going to be, I believe, announced very soon.”
Aug. 31: “Once you get to a certain number, you know, we use the word ‘herd,’ right? Once you get to a certain number, it’s going to go away.”
Sept. 4: “And by the way, we’re rounding the corner. We’re rounding the corner on the virus.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/12/trump-coronavirus-timeline/
Jan. 22: On whether he was worried about a pandemic: “No, we’re not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”
Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”
Jan. 29: “Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”
Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”
Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”
Feb. 7: “Nothing is easy, but [Chinese President Xi Jinping] … will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”
Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”
Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”
Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”
Feb. 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus, including the very early closing of our borders to certain areas of the world.”
Feb. 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.”
Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."
Feb. 26:
Q: This is spreading — or is going to spread, maybe, within communities. That’s the expectation.
A: It may. It may.
Q: Does that worry you?
A: No. ... No, because we’re ready for it. It is what it is. We’re ready for it. We’re really prepared. ... We hope it doesn’t spread. There’s a chance that it won’t spread too, and there’s a chance that it will, and then it’s a question of at what level.
Feb. 27: “Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
Feb. 28: “We are working on cures and we’re getting some very good results.”
Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. There’s one who is quite sick, but maybe he’s gonna be fine. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."
Feb. 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. ... And this is their new hoax.”
Feb. 29: “We’re the number one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”
March 2: “On average, you lose from 26,000-70,000 or so and even some cases more from the flu. ... So far, we have six [coronavirus deaths] here.”
March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”
March 5: “With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths.”
March 6: “We did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said: ‘Calm. You have to be calm. It’ll go away.' ”
March 7: “It came out of China, and we heard about it. And made a good move: We closed it down; we stopped it. Otherwise — the head of CDC said last night that you would have thousands of more problems if we didn’t shut it down very early. That was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."
March 7: “We’re doing very well and we’ve done a fantastic job.”
March 8: Retweets a story about Surgeon General Jerome Adams playing down the risk of coronavirus for Trump personally.
March 9: “The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, ‘The risk is low to the average American.’ ”
March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
March 10: “As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more.”
March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”
March 12: “It’s going to go away. … The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”
March 13: Says the Food and Drug Administration “will bring, additionally, 1.4 million tests on board next week and 5 million within a month. I doubt we’ll need anywhere near that.”
March 14: “We’re using the full power of the federal government to defeat the virus, and that’s what we’ve been doing.” Also retweeted supporter Candace Owens, who cited “good news” on the coronavirus, including that “Italy is hit hard, experts say, because they have the oldest population in Europe (average age of those that have died is 81).”
March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”
March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. … I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus.”
March 17: “We’re going to win. And I think we’re going to win faster than people think — I hope.”
March 23: “America will again and soon be open for business. … Parts of our country are very lightly affected.”
March 24: “You’re going to lose a number of people to the flu. But you’re going to lose more people by putting a country into a massive recession or depression.”
On seeking to reopen portions of the American economy by April 12: “It’s such an important day for other reasons, but I’ll make it an important day for this, too. … I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter.”
AD
March 25: “There are large sections of our country — probably can go back to work much sooner than other sections. … It’s hard not to be happy with the job we’re doing, that I can tell you."
March 26: “They have to go back to work; our country has to go back. Our country is based on that, and I think it’s going to happen pretty quickly.”
March 29: “So you’re talking about [worst-case scenarios of] 2.2 million deaths, 2.2 million people from this. And so if we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 — it’s a horrible number, maybe even less — but to 100,000. So we have between 100 and 200,000, and we altogether have done a very good job."
March 30: “New York is really in trouble, but I think it’s going to end up being fine. We’re loading it up, we’re stocking it up. … And then by a little short of June, maybe June 1, we think the — you know, it’s a terrible thing to say, but — we think the deaths will be at a very low number. It’ll be brought down to a very low number from right now, from where it’s getting to reach its peak.”
March 30: “Stay calm, it will go away. You know it is going away."
March 31: “It's going to go away, hopefully at the end of the month and if not, it hopefully will be soon after that."
April 2: “Our states, generally speaking, it's like lots of different countries all over. We have -- many of those countries are doing a phenomenal job. They're really flat."
April 3: “The CDC is advising the use of nonmedical cloth face covering as an additional voluntary public health measure. So it’s voluntary; you don’t have to do it.”
April 7: “It did -- it will go away."
April 9: “There are certain sections in the country that are in phenomenal shape already. Other sections are coming online; other sections are going down."
April 10: “Hard to believe that if you had 60,000 [deaths] -- you could never be happy, but that’s a lot fewer than we were originally told and thinking.”
April 22: “It may not come back at all [in the fall/winter].”
April 28: “This is going to go away. And whether it comes back in a modified form in the fall, we'll be able to handle it."
April 29: “It's going to go. It's going to leave. It's going to be gone. It's going to be eradicated."
May 5: “Will some people be affected? Yes. Will some people be affected badly? Yes. But we have to get our country open.”
May 5: “With or without a vaccine, it’s going to pass.”
May 6: “This virus is going to disappear. It’s a question of when.”
May 8: “This is going to go away without a vaccine.”
May 11: “We have met the moment, and we have prevailed. ... We’ve prevailed on testing, is what I’m referring to.”
May 14: “If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”
May 15: “It’ll go away — at some point, it’ll go away.”
May 19: “Many of these people aren’t very sick, but they still go down as a case.”
June 15: “Even without [widespread testing], you know, at some point this stuff goes away and it’s going away. Our numbers are much lower now.”
June 15: “If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.”
June 16: “I always say, even without it [a vaccine], it goes away.”
June 17: “The numbers are very minuscule compared to what it was. It’s dying out.”
June 17: “It’s going to fade away. But having a vaccine would be really nice. And that’s going to happen.”
June 18: “America is better supplied and more prepared to [reopen] than, I would say, just about any other place.”
June 18: “It is dying out. The numbers are starting to get very good.”
June 20: “Many call it a virus, which it is. Many call it a flu, what difference?”
June 21: “Our Coronavirus testing is so much greater (25 million tests) and so much more advanced, that it makes us look like we have more cases, especially proportionally, than other countries.”
June 23: “You know, people get sick from the other also. It’s not just from the virus. They get sick from all of the other things that happen. You know what I mean.”
June 23: “Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding. With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!”
June 25: “If we didn’t want to test, or if we didn’t test, we wouldn’t have cases. But we have cases because we test.”
June 25: “So when you do 30 million, you’re going to have a kid with the sniffles, and they’ll say it’s coronavirus — whatever you want to call it. … In some cases, it’s people that didn’t even know they were sick. Maybe they weren’t. But it shows up in a test.”
June 25: “Our Economy is roaring back and will NOT be shut down. ‘Embers’ or flare ups will be put out, as necessary!”
July 1: “I think we are going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that, at some point, that’s going to sort of just disappear, I hope.”
July 2: “There is a rise in Coronavirus cases because our testing is so massive and so good, far bigger and better than any other country.”
July 4: “By so [so much testing], we show cases — 99 percent of which are totally harmless — results that no other country can show because no other country has testing that we have, not in terms of the numbers or in terms of the quality.”
July 5: “New China Virus Cases up (because of massive testing), deaths are down, ‘low and steady’. The Fake News Media should report this and also, that new job numbers are setting records!”
July 6: “Deaths from the China Virus are down 39%, while our great testing program continues to lead the World, by FAR! Why isn’t the Fake News reporting that Deaths are way down? It is only because they are, indeed, FAKE NEWS!”
July 9: “So we have tests; other countries don’t do tests like we do. So we show cases; other countries don’t show cases.”
July 9: “We have cases all over the place. Most of those cases immediately get better. They get — people — they’re young people. They have sniffles, and two days later, they are fine.”
July 9: “For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!”
July 14: “No other country tests like us. In fact, I could say it’s working too much. It’s working too well. We’re doing testing and we’re finding thousands and thousands of cases. If it’s a young guy who’s got sniffles, who’s you know 10 years old, gets tested, all of a sudden he’s a case and he’s gonna be better tomorrow.”
July 19: “It’s going to disappear and I’ll be right.”
July 21: “It will disappear.”
July 21: “You will never hear this on the Fake News concerning the China Virus, but by comparison to most other countries, who are suffering greatly, we are doing very well - and we have done things that few other countries could have done!”
July 22: “I say, ‘It’s going to disappear.’ And they say, ‘Oh, that’s terrible.’ ... Well, it’s true. I mean, it’s going to disappear.”
July 31: “We have more Cases because we do more Testing. It’s Lamestream Media Gold!”
Aug. 1: “If we tested less, there would be less cases.”
Aug. 3: “It’s under control as much as you can control it.”
Aug. 3: “Cases up because of BIG Testing! Much of our Country is doing very well. Open the Schools!”
Aug. 5: “It will go away like things go away and my view is that schools should be open.”
Aug. 5: “No question in my mind, it will go away.”
Aug. 6: “So because we have the tests, we give them cases. Other countries that don’t do this testing, they don’t have cases.”
Aug. 7: “It’s going to disappear.”
Aug. 10: “It’s very interesting because we’re so far ahead of testing, we have more cases. If we had much smaller testing, would have fewer, but we feel that having testing is a very important thing.”
Aug. 11: “Many people get it and they have — like kids, they get it, they have the sniffles — young kids, almost none have a serious problem with it.”
Aug. 12: “When you do as much testing as us, however, as you understand, you develop more cases.”
Aug. 13: “It’s going to be going away.”
Aug. 17: “It’s going away, but we’re also going to have vaccines very soon.”
Aug. 17: “The China plague will fade.”
Aug. 17: “It’s going to be gone. And it’s going to be gone soon.”
Aug. 24: “It’s all coming back so fast that you’ll see it, and the pandemic goes away. The vaccines are going to be, I believe, announced very soon.”
Aug. 31: “Once you get to a certain number, you know, we use the word ‘herd,’ right? Once you get to a certain number, it’s going to go away.”
Sept. 4: “And by the way, we’re rounding the corner. We’re rounding the corner on the virus.”
msommer
Footballguy
In before "He was only joking", "What he really meant was", "Joe Biden ....." and "SQUIRREL!!!"
Last edited by a moderator:
![[scooter]](/data/avatars/m/22/22287.jpg?1659477690){kind=avatar}
[scooter]
Footballguy
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Is that because the rest of the world has this under control and the highest risk is the US exporting the virus, not importing it? Or that we have so many infections that what's a few thousand more?
apalmer
Footballguy
Louisiana Senator Kennedy on Trump's misrepresentations on CNN (quoting as near as I can remember): "In Washington, I've learned to judge by actions, not words. It doesn't matter what Trump said, when my state got hit hard by Covid, he made sure we had lots of ventilators."
So, "Well, maybe my mother told me it was OK to play with matches, but when I got burned, she was right there to provide me with bandages so you can't judge her on what she said."
So, "Well, maybe my mother told me it was OK to play with matches, but when I got burned, she was right there to provide me with bandages so you can't judge her on what she said."
msommer
Footballguy
A very prescient article in The Atlantic - from January 30:
Five presidents—liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans—have looked to Tony Fauci for advice; it is not impossible to imagine Trump being the first to angrily dismiss the counsel he offers if it does not fit with his own poor instincts. A president who calls generals “babies and cowards” will have to sit face to face with experienced global-health-security professionals, and listen. He will have to put his isolationist biases and anti-science mind-set aside, and let expertise—not his personal inclinations or the political whims of his base—guide U.S. policy. He will have to trust bureaucrats, diplomats, career staff, and agency appointees who are not on Team MAGA.
He will have to govern, as Democratic and Republican presidents have before him, but unlike how he has conducted himself at any point in his presidency to date. Many lives—mostly abroad, but perhaps here as well—could depend on it.
Five presidents—liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans—have looked to Tony Fauci for advice; it is not impossible to imagine Trump being the first to angrily dismiss the counsel he offers if it does not fit with his own poor instincts. A president who calls generals “babies and cowards” will have to sit face to face with experienced global-health-security professionals, and listen. He will have to put his isolationist biases and anti-science mind-set aside, and let expertise—not his personal inclinations or the political whims of his base—guide U.S. policy. He will have to trust bureaucrats, diplomats, career staff, and agency appointees who are not on Team MAGA.
He will have to govern, as Democratic and Republican presidents have before him, but unlike how he has conducted himself at any point in his presidency to date. Many lives—mostly abroad, but perhaps here as well—could depend on it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Cases quadrupled over the summer (ya know, when we expected it to slow down.) How many college$ have 1-2K cases already? I’ve lost count.
Fall wave is likely gonna be worse.
We have no plan. We may have 400K Covid deaths by Inauguration Day.
Fall wave is likely gonna be worse.
We have no plan. We may have 400K Covid deaths by Inauguration Day.
South Dakota governor uses coronavirus relief funds for $5 million tourism ad despite COVID surge
Aide: "Governor, we still have $5 million from the federal government to help deal with Covid. How should we spend that?"
Governor: "How about we create an Ad inviting more people to come from out of state into a Covid hotspot?!?"
ETA:
Money for the ad will come from $1.25 billion the state received from the federal government to address the coronavirus crisis. The U.S. Treasury Department is allowing states to use the money to publicize when tourism activities resume and ensure visitors' safety. The Department of Tourism has said it is considering placing the ad on networks like History, TBS, USA, Hallmark, A&E and Discovery.
Fury said the line in the ad that touts the state as a "place to safely explore" fulfills Treasury's requirement for using the money to address the pandemic.
Aide: "Governor, we still have $5 million from the federal government to help deal with Covid. How should we spend that?"
Governor: "How about we create an Ad inviting more people to come from out of state into a Covid hotspot?!?"
ETA:
Money for the ad will come from $1.25 billion the state received from the federal government to address the coronavirus crisis. The U.S. Treasury Department is allowing states to use the money to publicize when tourism activities resume and ensure visitors' safety. The Department of Tourism has said it is considering placing the ad on networks like History, TBS, USA, Hallmark, A&E and Discovery.
Fury said the line in the ad that touts the state as a "place to safely explore" fulfills Treasury's requirement for using the money to address the pandemic.
Last edited by a moderator:
AAABatteries
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
That is the current IHME projection based on social distancing to the level of the spring. Massively increased mask use may cut that number by up to 120k. If not they expect 3k deaths per day in December, which will then carry into 2021
Maggie Haberman @maggieNYT · 10m
Here’s Woodward’s description of the Oval Office meeting where aides recommended the limited ban from China. Fauci called it “the only way to go.”
Full excerpt from book in tweet
Mulvaney pushed back on the health experts - What would a ban on travel do to the stock market, the trade deal? Health experts: Failure to institute the travel ban, and quarantine all Americans returning, would have far worse consequences.
Here’s Woodward’s description of the Oval Office meeting where aides recommended the limited ban from China. Fauci called it “the only way to go.”
Full excerpt from book in tweet
Mulvaney pushed back on the health experts - What would a ban on travel do to the stock market, the trade deal? Health experts: Failure to institute the travel ban, and quarantine all Americans returning, would have far worse consequences.
[scooter]
Footballguy
I'm not exactly impressed with Fauci describing a partial travel ban as "the only way to go".
The full context required Americans returning from China to quarantine for 14 days upon return.
And the medical advisors wanted "strong travel restriction on China."
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Obviously in hindsight they should have blocked travel from Europe too, but that wasn't well known at the time.
What is a real failure was the lack of testing, contact tracing, and quarantine efforts at the outset. The CDC didn't man their post well, and the federal government didn't act decisively as other nations did.
Just look at Canada's response. They have very similar links to China and Europe, and they've dealt with this infinitely better than the US.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Why didn't the medical advisors want strong travel restrictions on Italy, or any other COVID hotspot?
I dunno, it just seems like the scientists and health advisors should be the voice of safety in this situation, and not simply nod their head at whatever partial proposal is on the table.
I would have been much more impressed with Fauci if he had said "That's a good start, but let's consider these other measures..." instead of just saying it's "the only way to go".
msommer
Footballguy
Pretty sure Italy wasn't considered a COVID hotspot in early Feb. Per Wiki the country had 3 confirmed cases on Feb 6
This is why we don't rush things, or push experimental stuff:
paola ༄ @pdesiperez
A woman who received an experimental coronavirus vaccine developed severe neurological symptoms that prompted a pause in testing:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-20200910-yr47tj5t5raedfqnk4os5er2fa-story.html
paola ༄ @pdesiperez
A woman who received an experimental coronavirus vaccine developed severe neurological symptoms that prompted a pause in testing:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-20200910-yr47tj5t5raedfqnk4os5er2fa-story.html
Doug B
Footballguy
To be fair, it's not yet known whether or not the myelitis is a reaction to the vaccine. From the link:
The Commish
Footballguy
This group out of England has been the most transparent, by far, of any of the groups. If we feel they aren't doing it right, the rest of the list is a non-starter. They've paused (which is common) to see if there is a causation issue here. That has yet to be determined.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That's why it takes a while to approve a vaccine for use. You can't rush things like this.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I was going with the best case scenario (410K deaths by YE.) With no governmental intervention, the projection rises to 620K by 1/1/21.
Doug B
Footballguy
This part was interesting:
That means that the following activities, in general:
Visiting a bar, a restaurant, or a coffee shop
... are statistically riskier than:
Going shopping or visiting people in their home.
Most people still shop, and think little of it. A lot of people, though, are leery of visiting other in their homes. Understandable ... but statistically not so risky, it seems.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I don't think you can make that conclusion from the data presented. It's all about frequency, duration, and the "network" of exposure. Not all event are created equal.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
For all those that say things like: "nobody could have handled it better" or "the spread of the virus was inevitable" or "it's not Trump's fault the CDC and HHS fell down on the job"
Trump officials interfered with CDC reports on Covid-19
From: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809
By DAN DIAMOND
09/11/2020 10:25 PM EDT
The health department’s politically appointed communications aides have demanded the right to review and seek changes to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s weekly scientific reports charting the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, in what officials characterized as an attempt to intimidate the reports’ authors and water down their communications to health professionals.
In some cases, emails from communications aides to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other senior officials openly complained that the agency’s reports would undermine President Donald Trump's optimistic messages about the outbreak, according to emails reviewed by POLITICO and three people familiar with the situation.
CDC officials have fought back against the most sweeping changes, but have increasingly agreed to allow the political officials to review the reports and, in a few cases, compromised on the wording, according to three people familiar with the exchanges. The communications aides’ efforts to change the language in the CDC’s reports have been constant across the summer and continued as recently as Friday afternoon.
The CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports are authored by career scientists and serve as the main vehicle for the agency to inform doctors, researchers and the general public about how Covid-19 is spreading and who is at risk. Such reports have historically been published with little fanfare and no political interference, said several longtime health department officials, and have been viewed as a cornerstone of the nation's public health work for decades.
But since Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign official with no medical or scientific background, was installed in April as the health department's new spokesperson, there have been substantial efforts to align the reports with Trump's statements, including the president's claims that fears about the outbreak are overstated, or stop the reports altogether.
Caputo and his team have attempted to add caveats to the CDC's findings, including an effort to retroactively change agency reports that they said wrongly inflated the risks of Covid-19 and should have made clear that Americans sickened by the virus may have been infected because of their own behavior, according to the individuals familiar with the situation and emails reviewed by POLITICO.
Caputo's team also has tried to halt the release of some CDC reports, including delaying a report that addressed how doctors were prescribing hydroxychloroquine, the malaria drug favored by Trump as a coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence. The report, which was held for about a month after Caputo’s team raised questions about its authors’ political leanings, was finally published last week. It said that "the potential benefits of these drugs do not outweigh their risks."
In one clash, an aide to Caputo berated CDC scientists for attempting to use the reports to "hurt the President" in an Aug. 8 email sent to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other officials that was widely circulated inside the department and obtained by POLITICO.
"CDC to me appears to be writing hit pieces on the administration," appointee Paul Alexander wrote, calling on Redfield to modify two already published reports that Alexander claimed wrongly inflated the risks of coronavirus to children and undermined Trump's push to reopen schools. "CDC tried to report as if once kids get together, there will be spread and this will impact school re-opening . . . Very misleading by CDC and shame on them. Their aim is clear."
Alexander also called on Redfield to halt all future MMWR reports until the agency modified its years-old publication process so he could personally review the entire report prior to publication, rather than a brief synopsis. Alexander, an assistant professor of health research at Toronto's McMaster University whom Caputo recruited this spring to be his scientific adviser, added that CDC needed to allow him to make line edits — and demanded an "immediate stop" to the reports in the meantime.
"The reports must be read by someone outside of CDC like myself, and we cannot allow the reporting to go on as it has been, for it is outrageous. Its lunacy," Alexander told Redfield and other officials. "Nothing to go out unless I read and agree with the findings how they CDC, wrote it and I tweak it to ensure it is fair and balanced and 'complete.'"
CDC officials have fought the efforts to retroactively change reports but have increasingly allowed Caputo and his team to review them before publication, according to the three individuals with knowledge of the situation. Caputo also helped install CDC’s interim chief of staff last month, two individuals added, ensuring that Caputo himself would have more visibility into an agency that has often been at odds with HHS political officials during the pandemic.
Asked by POLITICO about why he and his team were demanding changes to CDC reports, Caputo praised Alexander as "an Oxford-educated epidemiologist" who specializes "in analyzing the work of other scientists," although he did not make him available for an interview.
"Dr. Alexander advises me on pandemic policy and he has been encouraged to share his opinions with other scientists. Like all scientists, his advice is heard and taken or rejected by his peers," Caputo said in a statement.
Caputo also said that HHS was appropriately reviewing the CDC's reports. “Our intention is to make sure that evidence, science-based data drives policy through this pandemic—not ulterior deep state motives in the bowels of CDC," he said.
Caputo's team has spent months clashing with scientific experts across the administration. Alexander this week tried to muzzle infectious-disease expert Anthony Fauci from speaking about the risks of the coronavirus to children, and The Washington Post reported in July that Alexander had criticized the CDC's methods and findings.
But public health experts told POLITICO that they were particularly alarmed that the CDC's reports could face political interference, praising the MMWRs as essential to fighting the pandemic.
"It's the go-to place for the public health community to get information that's scientifically vetted," said Jennifer Kates, who leads the Kaiser Family Foundation's global health work. In an interview with POLITICO, Kates rattled off nearly a dozen examples of MMWR reports that she and other researchers have relied on to determine how Covid-19 has spread and who's at highest risk, including reports on how the virus has been transmitted in nursing homes, at churches and among children.
MMWRs are crucial for dissemination of info and guidelines to public health officials across the US.
Trump officials interfered with CDC reports on Covid-19
From: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809
By DAN DIAMOND
09/11/2020 10:25 PM EDT
The health department’s politically appointed communications aides have demanded the right to review and seek changes to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s weekly scientific reports charting the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, in what officials characterized as an attempt to intimidate the reports’ authors and water down their communications to health professionals.
In some cases, emails from communications aides to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other senior officials openly complained that the agency’s reports would undermine President Donald Trump's optimistic messages about the outbreak, according to emails reviewed by POLITICO and three people familiar with the situation.
CDC officials have fought back against the most sweeping changes, but have increasingly agreed to allow the political officials to review the reports and, in a few cases, compromised on the wording, according to three people familiar with the exchanges. The communications aides’ efforts to change the language in the CDC’s reports have been constant across the summer and continued as recently as Friday afternoon.
The CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports are authored by career scientists and serve as the main vehicle for the agency to inform doctors, researchers and the general public about how Covid-19 is spreading and who is at risk. Such reports have historically been published with little fanfare and no political interference, said several longtime health department officials, and have been viewed as a cornerstone of the nation's public health work for decades.
But since Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign official with no medical or scientific background, was installed in April as the health department's new spokesperson, there have been substantial efforts to align the reports with Trump's statements, including the president's claims that fears about the outbreak are overstated, or stop the reports altogether.
Caputo and his team have attempted to add caveats to the CDC's findings, including an effort to retroactively change agency reports that they said wrongly inflated the risks of Covid-19 and should have made clear that Americans sickened by the virus may have been infected because of their own behavior, according to the individuals familiar with the situation and emails reviewed by POLITICO.
Caputo's team also has tried to halt the release of some CDC reports, including delaying a report that addressed how doctors were prescribing hydroxychloroquine, the malaria drug favored by Trump as a coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence. The report, which was held for about a month after Caputo’s team raised questions about its authors’ political leanings, was finally published last week. It said that "the potential benefits of these drugs do not outweigh their risks."
In one clash, an aide to Caputo berated CDC scientists for attempting to use the reports to "hurt the President" in an Aug. 8 email sent to CDC Director Robert Redfield and other officials that was widely circulated inside the department and obtained by POLITICO.
"CDC to me appears to be writing hit pieces on the administration," appointee Paul Alexander wrote, calling on Redfield to modify two already published reports that Alexander claimed wrongly inflated the risks of coronavirus to children and undermined Trump's push to reopen schools. "CDC tried to report as if once kids get together, there will be spread and this will impact school re-opening . . . Very misleading by CDC and shame on them. Their aim is clear."
Alexander also called on Redfield to halt all future MMWR reports until the agency modified its years-old publication process so he could personally review the entire report prior to publication, rather than a brief synopsis. Alexander, an assistant professor of health research at Toronto's McMaster University whom Caputo recruited this spring to be his scientific adviser, added that CDC needed to allow him to make line edits — and demanded an "immediate stop" to the reports in the meantime.
"The reports must be read by someone outside of CDC like myself, and we cannot allow the reporting to go on as it has been, for it is outrageous. Its lunacy," Alexander told Redfield and other officials. "Nothing to go out unless I read and agree with the findings how they CDC, wrote it and I tweak it to ensure it is fair and balanced and 'complete.'"
CDC officials have fought the efforts to retroactively change reports but have increasingly allowed Caputo and his team to review them before publication, according to the three individuals with knowledge of the situation. Caputo also helped install CDC’s interim chief of staff last month, two individuals added, ensuring that Caputo himself would have more visibility into an agency that has often been at odds with HHS political officials during the pandemic.
Asked by POLITICO about why he and his team were demanding changes to CDC reports, Caputo praised Alexander as "an Oxford-educated epidemiologist" who specializes "in analyzing the work of other scientists," although he did not make him available for an interview.
"Dr. Alexander advises me on pandemic policy and he has been encouraged to share his opinions with other scientists. Like all scientists, his advice is heard and taken or rejected by his peers," Caputo said in a statement.
Caputo also said that HHS was appropriately reviewing the CDC's reports. “Our intention is to make sure that evidence, science-based data drives policy through this pandemic—not ulterior deep state motives in the bowels of CDC," he said.
Caputo's team has spent months clashing with scientific experts across the administration. Alexander this week tried to muzzle infectious-disease expert Anthony Fauci from speaking about the risks of the coronavirus to children, and The Washington Post reported in July that Alexander had criticized the CDC's methods and findings.
But public health experts told POLITICO that they were particularly alarmed that the CDC's reports could face political interference, praising the MMWRs as essential to fighting the pandemic.
"It's the go-to place for the public health community to get information that's scientifically vetted," said Jennifer Kates, who leads the Kaiser Family Foundation's global health work. In an interview with POLITICO, Kates rattled off nearly a dozen examples of MMWR reports that she and other researchers have relied on to determine how Covid-19 has spread and who's at highest risk, including reports on how the virus has been transmitted in nursing homes, at churches and among children.
MMWRs are crucial for dissemination of info and guidelines to public health officials across the US.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
should the spokesperson for the health department be ranting about "ulterior deep state motives in the bowels of the CDC"
is that... cool
is that... cool
The Z Machine
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
If we were approaching 2M Covid deaths instead of 200K, Trump would only be polling about 3% worse.
The bench mark here is Hoover, who managed to pull 39.7% in the 1932 election.
The bench mark here is Hoover, who managed to pull 39.7% in the 1932 election.
apalmer
Footballguy
Trump in a nutshell: When asked by a reporter if he was concerned about Covid at his indoor rally in Nevada, he responds, "I'm not worried. I'm on a stage and everyone is far away." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8731401/Donald-Trump-dismisses-fears-massive-indoor-Nevada-rally-spread-coroanvirus.html
Translation: "It's all about me. I'm safe. I'm not even going to think about the risk to the thousands in the audience, their family, friends or other people they might spread it to."
Translation: "It's all about me. I'm safe. I'm not even going to think about the risk to the thousands in the audience, their family, friends or other people they might spread it to."
Workhorse
Footballguy
These people are completely insane. That's the only way I can describe this kind of dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/us/caputo-virus.html
I have a number of friends who are scientists at the CDC and to a person, they've all said that when this administration has changed policy under the HHS/CDC banner and they've asked for the actual science behind these decisions, they are met with utter silence from people who work for Redfield and Caputo. These aren't "deep state" people, they are career scientists tasked with looking after the well-being of this country. Again, I KNOW these people personally. Any suggestion that they are somehow engaging is "sedition" and that Trump supporters should take up arms against them is completely ridiculous and scarily knee-deep in fascist territory.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/us/caputo-virus.html
I have a number of friends who are scientists at the CDC and to a person, they've all said that when this administration has changed policy under the HHS/CDC banner and they've asked for the actual science behind these decisions, they are met with utter silence from people who work for Redfield and Caputo. These aren't "deep state" people, they are career scientists tasked with looking after the well-being of this country. Again, I KNOW these people personally. Any suggestion that they are somehow engaging is "sedition" and that Trump supporters should take up arms against them is completely ridiculous and scarily knee-deep in fascist territory.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
I'm curious about this comment. Who ever said Trump supporters should "take up arms against them"?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Mr. Caputo said it. From the NYT link above. Bolded emphasis mine.
"Mr. Caputo on Sunday complained on Facebook that he was under siege by the media and said that his physical health was in question and his “mental health has definitely failed.”
“I don’t like being alone in Washington,” he said, describing “shadows on the ceiling in my apartment, there alone, shadows are so long.” He then ran through a series of conspiracy theories, culminating in a prediction that Mr. Trump will win re-election but his Democratic opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr., will refuse to concede.
“And when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin,” he said. “The drills that you’ve seen are nothing.” He added: “If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get.”
@John BlutarskyWhat do you think the bolded means?
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Coronavirus polls
82% of republicans, 33% of independents, 8% of Democrats approve of Trump's handling of the Corona virus. Overall almost 40% approve and 56% disapprove
82% of republicans, 33% of independents, 8% of Democrats approve of Trump's handling of the Corona virus. Overall almost 40% approve and 56% disapprove
When I read the whole thing it sure was implied. Although IMO, his rhetoric seems to have gone outside the lines of normal conversation. He seems to believe in unfounded conspiracy theories.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I too know people in this area, and the attack on civil servants, scientists, and experts is sickening. It's nothing new though. The same thing is happening at other federal agencies, but with less scrutiny due to the important of COVID.
- Status
Similar threads
