supermike80
Footballguy
Here we go again. This is good..Until it isn't.gianmarco said:
I remember everyone saying how great South Korea handled it. Now..not so much.
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I remember everyone saying how great South Korea handled it. Now..not so much.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
South Korea had 1,000 new cases and 2 deaths yesterday. So did West Virginia.
Seems like a weird choice for your victory lap.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
I dont understand your point, at all. I was told how great South Korea did, and it turned out to be not true. Nothing you are posting makes any sense at all
The Commish
Footballguy
The inability for people to look at things with context is going to be the ultimate death of our country 
Holy Crap it's embarrassing.
Holy Crap it's embarrassing. Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
South Korea’s numbers are about 85 times better than ours. 11 deaths per 1m people there. 923 per 1m people in the US. Sounds like they’ve had way more success than us.
supermike80
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I remember seeing a tweet from the police telling a woman she couldnt walk her dog. I thought that sounds neat.
The Commish
Footballguy
Think about what this country would be like right now if we had 11 deaths per million and it was a PROBLEM 
That number is a PIPE DREAM for us but somehow in other countries, it's a sign of doing it wrong.
That number is a PIPE DREAM for us but somehow in other countries, it's a sign of doing it wrong.
CR69
Footballguy
Yes when we have people that don't see how 1k people testing positive in a population of 1.8m is worse than in a population of 58m we're screwed.The inability for people to look at things with context is going to be the ultimate death of our country
timschochet
Footballguy
Then do it at home or by yourself.Ramblin Wreck said:
The Commish
Footballguy
This is the #### we're dealing with in this state....I'm not making it up.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/388610-gov-desantis-suggests-one-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-may-be-enough?fbclid=IwAR0WU7wxEsvvyvGsosvztB06x3kgzr3yudKEUUl1nEKXmFY-pxA0XCx_8Kk
He's not getting the amount he needs so he and some rando guy are making #### up because, hey, they know more than the people creating this thing
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/388610-gov-desantis-suggests-one-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-may-be-enough?fbclid=IwAR0WU7wxEsvvyvGsosvztB06x3kgzr3yudKEUUl1nEKXmFY-pxA0XCx_8Kk
He's not getting the amount he needs so he and some rando guy are making #### up because, hey, they know more than the people creating this thing
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Ramblin Wreck
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This argument has been made on this board and all over social media. Even by plenty of various levels of doctors and epidemiologists.
I disagree with it, but it is hardly any kind of fringe suggestion.
The Commish
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
No. By going to a gym at the present time you’re risking public health, which means my health as well as your own. You shouldn’t have the right to do that so gyms shouldn’t be open.
supermike80
Footballguy
Article supports this. Shut down all inbound travel. Shut down the states from travel.
We could never ever do that here.. But LOOK AT AUSTRALIA!!!
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
But.....but......the guy he heard it from is a neuroscientist. So he must know what he’s talking about.This is the #### we're dealing with in this state....I'm not making it up.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/388610-gov-desantis-suggests-one-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-may-be-enough?fbclid=IwAR0WU7wxEsvvyvGsosvztB06x3kgzr3yudKEUUl1nEKXmFY-pxA0XCx_8Kk
He's not getting the amount he needs so he and some rando guy are making #### up because, hey, they know more than the people creating this thing
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Plenty of fringe arguments get made on this board every day.
I’d be interested in a link to credible experts suggesting that this makes sense.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Huh. My brain tells me that it would be interesting to read. What tells you differently?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Does your state release contact tracing info?
As far as I can tell, WI does not. They have lots of contact tracers, but no data available.
As far as I can tell, WI does not. They have lots of contact tracers, but no data available.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I try to explain this to people all the time. I drive at 80mph over the speed limit and only drink UP TO the point where I feel impaired. They can drive at whatever speed and level of sobriety that they feel comfortable with..... or just stay off the roads altogether. That way my behavior has no effect on them or any of their loved ones in our community and my actions have no economic impact on others in any conceivable way. Pfffft, some people just don't get it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Of course you are. You have a much higher chance of getting COVID and spreading COVID and if people around you get sick it fills up the hospital beds which means that if I get sick I don’t have the same level of care, not to mention my doctor who is exhausted having to treat all the people who behaved stupidly like you chose to if you go to the gym.
I can’t believe that I even have to explain this.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Why not? It's only because we don't have the political will, not because we don't have the capability.
supermike80
Footballguy
We absolutely positively do not have the capability. Has nothing to do with politics.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Activate the National Guard in each state and shut down interstate travel at the borders and between large metro areas. I guarantee that there are already written up plans to do such a thing, and those date to well before the pandemic.
supermike80
Footballguy
I'm not saying there isn't a plan somewhere, I'm saying it would be utterly impossible to implement.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I don’t think it would be that difficult to implement if it were paired with government assistance so people didn’t feel compelled to leave their homes to work.
supermike80
Footballguy
I utterly disagree. But that's cool. You would literally have rioting in the streets.
I don't want to live in a country that can force this kind of thing.
I don't want to die in a country where we can't voluntarily do things to protect each other...
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
What if this pandemic was 50 times worse than it is right now? there has gotta be some level of unchecked death and sickness where you would want the government to step in to save ourselves, right?
supermike80
Footballguy
What if a meteor was headed towards earth?
What if the dinosaurs came back?
What if Yellowstone erupted?
Not interested in those what ifs. Zero value to the conversation.
supermike80
Footballguy
I respect that.Thing is, there are a lot of people like me and a lot of people like you and THAT'S why shutting everything down like Australia did, ain't gonna happen here. It's an unrealizable dream.
Sorry
300,000 dead should be pretty real, and not imaginary - or "what if"
The fact is we are, collectively, too selfish to do what benefits others - if it comes at any cost to ourselves.
the moops
Footballguy
Sure there is value. Many people think we are already at a sufficient level of deaths and sicknesses to warrant a more aggresive intervention. Obviously others aren't. I am curious where you would stand, or whether your desire to be afree man trumps all possibilities of government intrusion
supermike80
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Ok..If the virus gets 50X worse than it is now I will agree to re-evaluate my position when and if that happens.
Deal?
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
The thing is, there are checks on our liberty that we all accept that are equivalent to what is being asked here under extraordinary circumstances.
I ran into an anti-masker at Target who called me a sheep. But his tune changed when I invited him to join me in taking off our pants “for freedom.” We all accept that restraint on our liberty in the name of sanitation or just that we don’t want to see one another’s junk.
supermike80
Footballguy
This really, to me, isn't a conversation about how we are as a people, it's about whether we could effectively shut down the country like Australia did and I say we can't.
Would I love it if we could all sit dance in circles for two weeks(6 feet apart of course) all get money from the government. Shut everything down, lock down our citizens....and sing kumbaya? Yeah I would love that
But I live in the real world. So my thing is focus on what we can do..not what we want to do. The latter is a waste of time and energy.
Just my opinion though.
supermike80
Footballguy
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the moops
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Right but your argument is "the dangers are too speculative to warrant any intervention"
I am suggesting that the actual dangers are known and real, and we would benefit more if people were willing to put others in front of their own needs/wants/desires - even if that came from government intervention.
That so many people think their own needs outweigh the collective - is disturbing, and sad. We have missed so many windows where we could have acted aggressively to limit the damages - and every time "FREEDOM" won out over long-term safety.
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