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13 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

The last page or so is not exactly what I was expecting to find here. 

 

I thought maybe things like what’s going on in Florida. DeSantis said the State is likely getting much less than the 450,000 vaccines expected due to a production error by Pfizer. Pfizer immediately contradicted him saying they have sent all the vaccines ordered and that Florida simply hasn’t actually ordered the amount DeSantis has been claiming.
https://twitter.com/michaelzemanek1/status/1340183050781540353?s=21

Also the young and healthy Marco Rubio was able to get the vaccine while hundreds of thousands of front line health care workers won’t be getting the vaccine as expected due to the failure to order the advertised amount. Pfizer was pretty clear that the US Govt is a asleep at the wheel here.

“We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses.”

That tweet doesnt represent what was said in the article. The tweet blames florida. The article blames the feds. 

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15 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

The last page or so is not exactly what I was expecting to find here. 

 

I thought maybe things like what’s going on in Florida. DeSantis said the State is likely getting much less than the 450,000 vaccines expected due to a production error by Pfizer. Pfizer immediately contradicted him saying they have sent all the vaccines ordered and that Florida simply hasn’t actually ordered the amount DeSantis has been claiming.
https://twitter.com/michaelzemanek1/status/1340183050781540353?s=21

“We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses.”

I asked about this twice in recent days with no replies.

The last two pages are perfect example of why the Government can handle this pandemic as poorly as it does.

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40 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

That tweet doesnt represent what was said in the article. The tweet blames florida. The article blames the feds. 

Agree it’s a bit of a mixed bag and I tried to highlight the discrepancy a bit. The article also mentions Florida had to submit their vaccine plan by Dec 4 but is refusing to make that public. DeSantis also has blamed Pfizer and given cover for the Feds. He’s refused to comment on this story. It looks like their is blame to go around. 

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41 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Agree it’s a bit of a mixed bag and I tried to highlight the discrepancy a bit. The article also mentions Florida had to submit their vaccine plan by Dec 4 but is refusing to make that public. DeSantis also has blamed Pfizer and given cover for the Feds. He’s refused to comment on this story. It looks like their is blame to go around. 

FWIW, here locally (central florida), all the news organizations are trying to get answers and have found (or been provided) zero evidence that the state did as it was asked.  It's rather obvious what's the more likely area to "blame" here....pretty sad, but obvious.  I shutter to think the millions this state has wasted on testing and the like only not to have "rules" in place to make sure people are doing the correct things.  I take that back...we have rules, but we can't enforce them with fines/penalties according to state officials.  We do have some decent leadership here in Central Florida basically ignoring that and imposing fines on individuals and businesses not doing the common sense things they should be.  I'm sure there will be court cases to come of this at some point.

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The rollout is very reminiscent to me of the ACA rollout- remember all the computer glitches? Of course this is more serious with so many lives on the line. 
But my experience is that the federal government always begins chaotically with tons of errors and confusion, and them slowly but surely most problems are fixed and things start to run fairly smoothly within a reasonably short period of time. No idea if that pattern will repeat itself here but I suspect it will. 

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

But my experience is that the federal government always begins chaotically with tons of errors and confusion, and them slowly but surely most problems are fixed and things start to run fairly smoothly within a reasonably short period of time. 

I'm skeptical. We aren't talking about sophisticated enrollment into insurance plans. We're talking about "Ok, ship pro-rate share to this state, ship pro rata share to that state. Make sure we keep reserves for 2nd doses."

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1 hour ago, Ilov80s said:

Agree it’s a bit of a mixed bag and I tried to highlight the discrepancy a bit. The article also mentions Florida had to submit their vaccine plan by Dec 4 but is refusing to make that public. DeSantis also has blamed Pfizer and given cover for the Feds. He’s refused to comment on this story. It looks like their is blame to go around. 

I have little love for the drug companies but I can almost guarantee Pfizer is not the problem.

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27 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Who is in charge of Operation Warp Speed? Who is accountable?

A US General apologized and took full responsibility but not sure if that’s his fault or if he’s just a good leader. I will say the obvious, the President has been totally MIA for awhile now. Crazy that he’s fighting so hard to keep the job of President when he has the job now and isn’t even doing it.

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7 hours ago, Rich Conway said:

I, for one, am quite surprised that the federal government did not come up with a well thought out, detailed plan for acquiring, distributing, and administering vaccines.  This failure is out of character.

How this isn’t more outrage over this, I’ll never know.

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39 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Not crazy at all.  Getting people vaccines won't allow him to get another 4 years.

Just saying why even be President, he’s not  doing the job now. It’s has to be the most neglectful stretch of almost any presidency. Just a blatant disregard for anything other than himself and his own vanity, power.

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24 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

If it can't be attributed to Trump, people tend not to care.

But it very clearly can be attributed to him. I mean, he is in charge of the people who are supposed ot have a plan for this whole thing. It's not as if this caught him by surprise. The roll out was always talked about as being super important and instead of stepping in and getting #### done he is whining about an election still.

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19 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Gee. This didn't age well.

Course I knew it wouldn't 

But AUSTRALIA!!!

wonder what the next awesome country will be?

Australia has had months of little to no community spread and even then it was confined to one state.

By and large Australians are running around doing the right thing, sport was and is still happening with crowds. Christmas shopping, the economy, restaurants are all doing great. 

Yesterday there were 30, not 300, 3000, 30000 or even 300000 cases, confined to the northern beaches of Sydney. That area is locked down, while the potential spread is dealt with. People are wearing masks. Contact tracing is putting people into quarantine. People are behaving responsibly while the government tries to put a lid on it. Federal AND State governments working together. All other states have barred entry from the Northern Beaches without mandatory quarantine. Soon that will spread to Sydney wide and if necessary the whole state of NSW. 

This incident was caused by an airline crew member defying curfew or it escaped from a hotel quarantine. 13 airline crew members were fined and may face further punishment. The governments, working together will tighten the airline crew rules. All of Australias outbreaks since MAY/JUNE have been the result of hotel quarantine leaks.

Have your snide comments elsewhere. You don’t have a clue. There were governments all around the world, but mainly in the Asia/Pacific region that were doing the right thing, acting promptly and jumping on issues quickly. Outbreaks will happen. Trying to compare 30 new cases to 3500+ Deaths per day is laughable. Your president, cabinet and government is a laughing stock around the world for their incompetence. The American people deserve better than a three ringed circus. 

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8 hours ago, timschochet said:

The rollout is very reminiscent to me of the ACA rollout- remember all the computer glitches? Of course this is more serious with so many lives on the line. 
But my experience is that the federal government always begins chaotically with tons of errors and confusion, and them slowly but surely most problems are fixed and things start to run fairly smoothly within a reasonably short period of time. No idea if that pattern will repeat itself here but I suspect it will. 

I don't know why...it's orders of magnitude different and the solution was uniquely the federal government's.  With ACA, while it was completely botched from a technology perspective (it's STILL not running as it's supposed to) this is significantly different.

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3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Gee. This didn't age well.

Course I knew it wouldn't 

But AUSTRALIA!!!

wonder what the next awesome country will be?

Just to update you as you seem so interested.

NSW just released updated figures, 15 today. All northern beaches people. So their numbers for the last 5 days are 3, 15, 23, 30 and 15. Before that there were 34 days of no community spread.

Victoria the most affected state peaked at 723 per day in July. They have now had 50 days in a row without community transmission. 

The 3rd most populous state, Queensland has not had community outbreak of more than 5 a day since May. Only 6 deaths in the whole state this year. The left wing premier was expected to be trounced at the ballot,  but thanks to her handling was reelected with an increased majority. 

The next week will determine if the Northern Beaches outbreak has spread. Rigorous contact tracing is happening and other states are on full alert. Borders heavily monitored and people coming from the rest of Sydney needing to undergo a test on entry that they need to be negative on before proceeding. Anyone who has been to the Northern Beaches, let alone lives there has to do 14 days quarantine to go to another state. Maybe it is too late, but I doubt it. Governments in Australia seem to have a handle on it. If it gets away, well thats 9 months head start they have on most of Europe and North America.

 

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5 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Gee. This didn't age well.

Course I knew it wouldn't 

But AUSTRALIA!!!

wonder what the next awesome country will be?

Would you care to address the comments after yours?

For context, 300,000 Americans are dead.  20,000 died last week.  There were roughly 1.5MM cases in the US last week.

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https://www.independentsentinel.com/nyc-restaurant-owners-ban-cuomo-from-eating-in-their-establishments-forever/

https://www.theconeyislandblog.com/2020/12/18/nyc-restaurants-to-ban-cuomo-from-dining/

 

NYC restaurant owners ban Cuomo from eating in their establishments – forever

By M. Dowling December 19, 2020

Governor Andrew Cuomo has destroyed restaurants in New York, especially New York City, with his arbitrary lockdown fiats. Some of those same restaurant owners got together and came up with a plan to shut him down. He isn’t allowed to eat in their restaurants — ever.

According to The Coney Island Blog, the beleaguered restaurant owners city-wide are permanently banning New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo from setting foot into their establishments.

According to bar owner Larry Baird “ He can eat at some ####ty roadside diner outside of Albany but he will not be served anywhere in New York City, known universally as the world’s greatest dining destination! If he has to use the restroom he can go pee on my street-corner! That’s what he wants anyway!”

...Many members of the Facebook Group NYC Restaurants Open applaud the Executive Order banning Cuomo from being served at all New York City establishments."

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Trust the science, dont be political!

Well unless you agree with the politics

Historically, the committee relied on scientific evidence to inform its decisions. But now the members are weighing social justice concerns as well, noted Lisa A. Prosser, a professor of health policy and decision sciences at the University of Michigan.

consensus! Err..wait

That position runs counter to frameworks proposed by the World Health Organization, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, and many countries,

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7 hours ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Would you care to address the comments after yours?

For context, 300,000 Americans are dead.  20,000 died last week.  There were roughly 1.5MM cases in the US last week.

Absolutely.   I was told Austrailia eradicated corona.  GONE!! Because they are so awesome.

Not true.

So I will wait until you guys come up with the next country that is super awesome

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58 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

$600 , very generous. Both sides really don’t care about the common folk who need help

I don't think this is a "both sides" issue.

Only one side refused to provide more - their starting point was "no stimulus" 

:shrug:

 

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4 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Nancy Pelosi turned down a 1200 deal because there was an election coming up and she didn't want to help Trump.

How about we open up the economy, let people provide their own stimulus, and stop arguing about how many crumbs the politicians should give out?

 

Its not really a matter of "how many crumbs" the politicians give out - they will always give out benefits.  The question is who should get those benefits.

The government has an open spigot for many industries/companies, but a very tight control when it comes to the non-1%.

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6 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Nancy Pelosi turned down a 1200 deal because there was an election coming up and she didn't want to help Trump.

How about we open up the economy, let people provide their own stimulus, and stop arguing about how many crumbs the politicians should give out?

 

I think her "deal" from April/May that included the $1200 is still sitting on McConnell's desk...not sure what this means, but I do agree on the second part.  Though I am not sure "open up the economy" is accurate all over the place.  As you know, here in Florida everything is "open" and that's doing very little for business.  There is zero confidence at this point.  That needs to be fixed first IMO.

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The coroner, a medical man of precise habits and unimaginative aspect, arrived punctually, and looking peevishly round at the crowded assembly, directed all the windows to be opened, thus letting in a stream of drizzling fog upon the heads of the unfortunates on that side of the room. This caused a commotion and some expressions of disapproval, checked sternly by the coroner, who said that with the influenza about again an unventilated room was a deathtrap; that anybody who chose to object to open windows had the obvious remedy of leaving the court, and further, that if any disturbance was made he would clear the court.

1923 novel.

 

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26 minutes ago, The Commish said:

I think her "deal" from April/May that included the $1200 is still sitting on McConnell's desk...not sure what this means, but I do agree on the second part.  Though I am not sure "open up the economy" is accurate all over the place.  As you know, here in Florida everything is "open" and that's doing very little for business.  There is zero confidence at this point.  That needs to be fixed first IMO.

Well I respect your opinion. Based on the "Fla Politics" I think we're having slightly different Florida experiences. It's not perfect by any means (Florida never was) but overall I think it's been fairing MUCH better than the people living under the lockdowns in the blue states. My life isn't really that much different. I still work and pay bills, I play with my son in parks that are open, and I wander around Target, Home Depot and Best Buy in a mask. It's heaven, and I wish it for others.

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2 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Well I respect your opinion. Based on the "Fla Politics" I think we're having slightly different Florida experiences. It's not perfect by any means (Florida never was) but overall I think it's been fairing MUCH better than the people living under the lockdowns in the blue states. My life isn't really that much different. I still work and pay bills, I play with my son in parks that are open, and I wander around Target, Home Depot and Best Buy in a mask. It's heaven, and I wish it for others.

The parts in red are pretty much universal in the U.S. What do you think is going on elsewhere?

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1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

$600 , very generous. Both sides really don’t care about the common folk who need help

No...there’s a difference for what each side has been pushing for.

but ultimate both sides are responsible for the general population only getting about 1/3 of the total funds and 2/3 going to towards corporate socialism once again. 

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11 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

I don’t think anywhere in the US has been locked down. Curfews in a few places and a smattering of business/activity restrictions is as bad as it gets.

My goodness, that's wonderful news. Maybe congress is wiser than I thought. Thank you.

Didn't the Supreme Court overturn one of Cuomo's restrictions? I don't recall anything like that in Florida.

 

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4 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:
22 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

I don’t think anywhere in the US has been locked down. Curfews in a few places and a smattering of business/activity restrictions is as bad as it gets.

My goodness, that's wonderful news. Maybe congress is wiser than I thought. Thank you.

What does Congress have to do with anything? Almost all mandates have been at the state and municipal levels -- I think the executive orders regarding international travelers would be the exceptions.

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1 minute ago, Doug B said:
7 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:
25 minutes ago, Terminalxylem said:

I don’t think anywhere in the US has been locked down. Curfews in a few places and a smattering of business/activity restrictions is as bad as it gets.

My goodness, that's wonderful news. Maybe congress is wiser than I thought. Thank you.

What does Congress have to do with anything?

$600 stimulus. 

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