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Government Response To The Coronavirus (4 Viewers)
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Drunken Cowboy
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Given that we have purchased 600 million Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, I don't think J&J is a big part of the plan
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Add me to the list of people that was swooning over Cuomo early in the pandemic who now think his political career should be over.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I don't really see how the amount of Pfizer and Moderna purchased is at all relevant to whether or not we rely on the J&J vaccine. If we can get 50-100m doses of J&J by say, June, that would be huge. I would gladly sign up for a J&J shot in April or May.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thanks for continuing to post this. It is very frustrating to see these stats continue to be misrepresented by the media (and to some extent the scientific/medical community).
Vaccinating teachers doesnt have anything to do with it. It's not a requirement in the guidelines.
Apple Jack
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
It is not part of the guidelines. You should read them. Schools are allowed to open without teachers being vaccinated.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
All teachers who want the vaccine will have it. Nearly all will have it. They are allowing the relative handful who don’t get it to teach because the overwhelming majority of teachers have gotten the vaccine, making conditions exponentially safer than they were before the vaccine. But then you knew this because you’re not an idiot. Just disingenuous.
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Zero of what you described is in the guidelines. Perhaps that's your local experience or something? Teachers under 50 arent even eligible where I'm at yet, yet according to the CDC, can and should return to the classroom.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Like I said. You're going off some local anecdotal information and not what is actually in the guidelines. You should read them with the understanding that many areas do not have their teachers vaccinated yet, nor is it a requirement of the guidelines.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Right, because they have been doing virtual classrooms. Once a plan is made to return to in person learning, everybody who wants the vaccine will have access.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
The CDC guidelines are the plan. We dont have access yet.
You dont have to keep guessing, just read it.
Whew. Not solely responsible for, contributing to. If you've listened to Biden, he agrees. It's one reason they are opening up now, imo, without waiting for the vaccine.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
They are guidelines, not law. And it assumes that teachers are essential workers and will have access if they want it before returning to the classroom. I don’t know of anywhere that teachers doing in person learning are not being offered the vaccine. If that is happening, it should be rectified. But I’m not aware of it.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Is there anywhere in person teachers are not considered essential workers? The point is that the environment is not remotely like it was pre-vaccine and you are acting like it was. Almost like your being disingenuous. Almost.
Weird someone so uninformed would accuse people of being disingenuous and not provide any links for their guesses. Let me help you out.
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Not required, provides additional measures, when available.
Drunken Cowboy
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Alex P Keaton
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Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
There are 230 million adults in the US. Polls have said half to 2/3 of Americans are willing to get vaccinated. That will require somewhere between 230-300 million doses.
We will have 200 million doses of Pfizer and nearly that of Moderna by May.
IvanKaramazov
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Who is this directed at? It seems to me that everybody thinks that schools should be open next fall except for some specific teachers unions. Maybe this is just me, but there seems to be a very strong bipartisan consensus on this one, and of course that's how it should be. I understand not having in-person school right now -- my local schools have been open all year, but I don't have any issue with communities that went with remote learning instead. But this fall, after vaccines are widely available? Come on.
parasaurolophus
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thx. There are 250m people over age 19. 270m over age 14. Let’s call it 260m people eligible to be vaccinated. Polls are now saying 70% willing to get vaccinated. That is 190m people, or 380m doses.
And just because we “have the doses” doesn’t mean they are all distributed immediately, etc. We will need the J&J doses in March/April/May.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I have not seen anything saying 70%. That would be great if true. Even so, that is about the number of expected doses from the RNA vaccines. Delivery will be a challenge, but the infrastructure for this is being put in place.
J&J is scheduled to deliver 100 million does by the end of June. If it was here now, I can see it being a big part of the strategy, but as is I expect it only to be part of the strategy for places where it is difficult to deliver the others.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Moderna goes in any regular freezer. It shouldnt be lumped in with pfizer.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
This says 67%. The previous article I read (days ago, can’t find link) said 70%, with a spilt of 90% Dems, 50% of Repub’s.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/538198-over-30-percent-of-americans-say-they-wont-get-covid-19-vaccine-poll%3famp
J&J will have doses ready in March. Last I read was 10m in March, 20-ish million in April, ramping up to a cumulative 100m by end of June. Obviously all of those numbers could change.
Drunken Cowboy
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I have seen these results, that was why I chose the top end to be 2/3. However, it is important to note that this includes a big chunk of people who said they probably will get vaccinated. These people are unlikely to sign up as soon as they are eligible. If they are excluded, we are under 50%.
For the most part there’s very little storage issues with Moderna. The one issue could be put to the test right now with the storms delaying shipments. The good thing with Moderna is that even if it goes below freezing temperatures, it’s good for 30 days at fridge temperature and could easily be used by then.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
It's a bigger issue for low and middle income countries, but the biggest issue is the high income countries have bought up all the stock.
The biggest potential barrier is access especially in minority communities. The move to get vaccine into more of the community pharmacies will help a lot with that.
Another factor will be how the case numbers trend in the next few months and how effective the vaccines prove to be against the new variants. If case numbers and other stats continue downward, I could see some complacency once we get opened up to the general public.
But in general, I’d expect vaccinations to be at the higher end of the estimates. Both vaccines are producing minimal side effects and are seemingly effective.
Drunken Cowboy
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I think we can get to above the estimates as well, but it is going to take work to do so.
MSM says it's ok to have the debate whether lockdowns were effective now. NBC Nightly compares Florida's superior results to California.
Reports high school students speak out about missing school. Anxiety and depression results are real now. Pandemic stress.
You cant make this stuff up.
Reports high school students speak out about missing school. Anxiety and depression results are real now. Pandemic stress.
You cant make this stuff up.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
FL has 1358 deaths per 1 million. CA has 1202 deaths per 1 million.
I wouldn't all that superior. Now, if you take into account the difference in shut downs and in person schooling, then maybe it is an argument. But it certainly isn't as simple as you made it out to be
It's a lot closer than that according to Lester Holt. 13 something to 13 something. They compared other data too. It wasn't me, it was MSM, you havent got the memo yet I see.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I don't watch television all that much. But I can tell your only hope is to dunk on liberal states so I am unsure there is a productive conversation in here anyway
I call out hypocrisy when I see it. There is a whole thread here of liberals screaming for lockdowns because they were fed it by MSM. Suddenly they change course. You should step back and try to see the whole picture here.
No. 99.99% of the data was pre vaccine. Some of us have been saying lock downs werent effective, it's not rocket science.
But let's look at schools. Who has been saying for months that kids should be back in school? (Hint, rhymes with Bump) Zero chance they let that happen until almost exactly after Bump leaves office.
Like I said, you cant make this up.
This is the becoming the standard reply of this forums Squad.
try to claim the intellectual high ground and then launch an insult on your way out the door
all that was missing was the crying laughing smilie
parasaurolophus
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Alex P Keaton
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Biden revises goal upward for back to school numbers. Over 50% back 5 days a week. I think we currently sit around 42% so this is at least now an actual increase.
Apologies for my memory. They quoted number of cases per 100,000: 8,621 California vs. 8,370 Florida.Alex P Keaton said:
Number of hospitalizations a month ago per 100,000: 56 California vs. 35 Florida
Number of hospitalizations now: 24 California vs. 22 Florida.
You might say why is the number of deaths out of whack? Florida has 35% more seniors (over age 65). Lets just correct those numbers based on that: California 1,628 vs. Florida 1,358
It's clear to me that Florida has similar or even better numbers, despite California having had the most restrictive lockdowns in the country. Surprising, was to hear MSM pose the exact idea. These were their numbers not mine.
I guess the memo is out now, it's ok to question the lockdowns and getting kids back to school. I wonder what took so long since there were a bunch of us trying to say this the whole time?
Doug B
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To me, all this "goals keep changing!" stuff is small potatoes ... but it looks to me that Jen Psaki (when she said "... one day a week") got caught flat-footed by a question and attempted to wing an answer instead of telling the reporter she's check and get back to them. This kind of stuff doesn't bug me, though -- people screw up, and not every last "i" will ever be dotted in any conceivable plan addressing any conceivable thing.
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