Government Response To The Coronavirus

[quick-hands 407]

13 minutes ago, rockaction said:

It was more hateful when they stormed a public building at his behest and smashed windows, destroyed property, and chanted for the deaths of public officials. Not when they tried the instigator in the Senate for those actions. What planet are we on here?

Are we talking about Portland?

[rockaction 25,074]

4 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

Are we talking about Portland?

I'm fine with you whatabouting it because I've sort of been at the forefront of this board in condemning -- and proving with sources -- BLM and Antifa back in the summer when I thought both were linked and were responsible for massive damage in the cities within which they protested. You're more than welcome to check my work.

Edited Wednesday at 03:18 PM by rockaction

[The Commish 13,662]

37 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I'm fine with you whatabouting it because I've sort of been at the forefront of this board in condemning -- and proving with sources -- BLM and Antifa back in the summer when I thought both were linked and were responsible for massive damage in the cities within which they protested. You're more than welcome to check my work.

This "gotcha" has been attempted on me as well.  I don't think I've had a single follow up engagement on the subject after answering with some variation of "yep, them too....all of it is ridiculous and people who break the law should be held accountable".  It'd be funny if not so weak.

[rockaction 25,074]

2 minutes ago, The Commish said:

This "gotcha" has been attempted on me as well.  I don't think I've had a single follow up engagement on the subject after answering with some variation of "yep, them too....all of it is ridiculous and people who break the law should be held accountable".  It'd be funny if not so weak.

I figured any static I got on this board would come from the likes of the left who are still insisting that BLM members and Antifa weren't responsible for the burning buildings and property loss at the "mostly peaceful" protests. I thought I'd been quite vocal about both that and the Capitol storming. I'm a pretty equal opportunity property and limb defender.

[sho nuff 16,969]

1 hour ago, quick-hands said:

Well I disagree.   The entire govt was absorbed.   We did know the outcome.   It was hateful.   Rediculous. 

Hateful?  Sure Trumps actions were hateful both times.  The entire government is much larger than congress...and even all of congress wasnt fully absorbed.  Some didn't show up...others barely paying attention.

It was a dog and pony show but was needed.

[mrip541 980]

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[IvanKaramazov 22,043]

30 minutes ago, mrip541 said:

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[Battersbox 152]

On 2/28/2021 at 4:17 PM, parasaurolophus said:

Fair point.

It's actually two studies:

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa-education/low-covid-19-spread-found-in-rural-wisconsin-schools-taking-safety-precautions-u-s-study-idUSL4N2K13ID

[The Dude 958]

On 3/2/2021 at 10:10 PM, tonydead said:

Its a BS claim. J&J has committed 100 million by then, there is only 200 million adults. Its meaningless if it's not shots in arms. . Holly crap.  

You can’t make people get shots.  And they are vaccinating 2 million a day.  
 

you try too hard - and still don’t stick the landing

[Ilov80s 30,158]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

You can’t make people get shots.  And they are vaccinating 2 million a day.  
 

you try too hard - and still don’t stick the landing

Which again goes back to the same point I keep raising. We’ve totally failed with the marketing sales pitch of the vaccine.

[Apple Jack 4,885]

4 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Which again goes back to the same point I keep raising. We’ve totally failed with the marketing sales pitch of the vaccine.

Now is a critical time as many people wanted to wait and see the feedback and data on the early vaccinations.

[John123 74]

4 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Which again goes back to the same point I keep raising. We’ve totally failed with the marketing sales pitch of the vaccine.

Couldn't have anything to do with all the politicians and public figures disparaging the vaccine before it even came out because of it's relation to the Trump administration, could it?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/some-states-plan-vet-covid-19-vaccines-themselves-bad-idea-n1242355

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-rejects-a-coronavirus-vaccine-from-trump-2020-10

 

[The Dude 958]

6 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Which again goes back to the same point I keep raising. We’ve totally failed with the marketing sales pitch of the vaccine.

Yeah but I think it’s a life cycle thing.  In the beginning there is so much demand that creating more is a negative.  There does come a point where that pitch needs to start picking up.  It might still be too soon until the 65 plus group is decently penetrated.

[Ilov80s 30,158]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Yeah but I think it’s a life cycle thing.  In the beginning there is so much demand that creating more is a negative.  There does come a point where that pitch needs to start picking up.  It might still be too soon until the 65 plus group is decently penetrated.

Yeah baby 

[Ilov80s 30,158]

5 minutes ago, John123 said:

Couldn't have anything to do with all the politicians and public figures disparaging the vaccine before it even came out because of it's relation to the Trump administration, could it?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/some-states-plan-vet-covid-19-vaccines-themselves-bad-idea-n1242355

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-rejects-a-coronavirus-vaccine-from-trump-2020-10

 

I think the last one isn’t really proving a point. I wouldn’t take anything because a non-medical professional/scientist told me to. I also would listen to the health experts. But to the others, yeah that’s part of the problem. Republicans have said negative things as well.  But at this point both Trump and Biden, Rubio and Pelosi have gotten the vaccine. It’s clearly being taken by both parties so this should be an easy universal sell to most of the public. However we still aren’t doing that. 

[Ilov80s 30,158]

10 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Now is a critical time as many people wanted to wait and see the feedback and data on the early vaccinations.

And it would be easy to get both famous well respected Americans and everyday teachers, seniors, firefighters, etc on TV to talk about their experiences. 

[John123 74]

Just now, Ilov80s said:

I think the last one isn’t really proving a point. I wouldn’t take anything because a non-medical professional/scientist told me to. I also would listen to the health experts. But to the others, yeah that’s part of the problem. Republicans have said negative things as well.  But at this point both Trump and Biden, Rubio and Pelosi have gotten the vaccine. It’s clearly being taken by both parties so this should be an easy universal sell to most of the public. However we still aren’t doing that. 

Well, I'm not hearing of significant vaccine going to waste.  It's hard to make an assessment of what will happen until there's enough vaccine for everyone.  My GF is in a high risk category and still hasn't been able to get the vaccine. 

My point with all the comments above is that some people hear things like that and make up their minds, and even when given new evidence cling to their original thoughts/opinions.  I thought it was irresponsible of not only politicians, but entire states, to act like we couldn't trust the vaccine since it was developed under the Trump administration.  And it was all for political points.  Simply disgusting.

I also agree with the point made previously in this thread that we should incentivize people to get the vaccine through policies such as not requiring them to wear masks after having done so.

[Ilov80s 30,158]

9 minutes ago, John123 said:

Well, I'm not hearing of significant vaccine going to waste.  It's hard to make an assessment of what will happen until there's enough vaccine for everyone.  My GF is in a high risk category and still hasn't been able to get the vaccine. 

My point with all the comments above is that some people hear things like that and make up their minds, and even when given new evidence cling to their original thoughts/opinions.  I thought it was irresponsible of not only politicians, but entire states, to act like we couldn't trust the vaccine since it was developed under the Trump administration.  And it was all for political points.  Simply disgusting.

I also agree with the point made previously in this thread that we should incentivize people to get the vaccine through policies such as not requiring them to wear masks after having done so.

We shouldn’t be living in the right now. We need to prepare for and plan for the very very near future when we do have vaccines for everyone. That’s so close and it will be a huge screwup if get there and 30% of the county won’t get them.

[Mile High 5,211]

4 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

We shouldn’t be living in the right now. We need to prepare for and plan for the very very near future when we do have vaccines for everyone. That’s so close and it will be a huge screwup if get there and 30% of the county won’t get them.

On this board there is a poll where around 20% wont or may not  get a shot. I expect that to be true national wide

[John123 74]

13 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

We shouldn’t be living in the right now. We need to prepare for and plan for the very very near future when we do have vaccines for everyone. That’s so close and it will be a huge screwup if get there and 30% of the county won’t get them.

Sure.  But there's a big difference between polls and reality.  Ask Hillary Clinton.  So, while we can plan for the possibility, we shouldn't assume that 50% of the population isn't getting the vaccine until that actually happens.  Most people I know are more than ready to get the vaccine. 

I suspect that if there are large percentages of people who won't get it they'll be in pockets.  In my city I expect most people will get it.  So my city should be fine to open up.  If there are specific cities where a good percentage of the population won't get it we can deal with them on an individual basis.  I think sometimes we try to tackle things nationally that really are local issues.

[Ilov80s 30,158]

24 minutes ago, Mile High said:

On this board there is a poll where around 20% wont or may not  get a shot. I expect that to be true national wide

And Michigan just had a poll where over half of Republicans said they wouldn’t get it 

13 minutes ago, John123 said:

Sure.  But there's a big difference between polls and reality.  Ask Hillary Clinton.  So, while we can plan for the possibility, we shouldn't assume that 50% of the population isn't getting the vaccine until that actually happens.  Most people I know are more than ready to get the vaccine. 

I suspect that if there are large percentages of people who won't get it they'll be in pockets.  In my city I expect most people will get it.  So my city should be fine to open up.  If there are specific cities where a good percentage of the population won't get it we can deal with them on an individual basis.  I think sometimes we try to tackle things nationally that really are local issues.

Sure polls don’t always reflect reality perfectly but what else can you use for planning? You can’t just say polls have a X% margin of error so let’s fly by the seat of our pants. 

[the rover 5,524]

1 hour ago, Ilov80s said:

And Michigan just had a poll where over half of Republicans said they wouldn’t get it 

Sure polls don’t always reflect reality perfectly but what else can you use for planning? You can’t just say polls have a X% margin of error so let’s fly by the seat of our pants. 

Most recent polling I saw says that about 15% of Americans flat out refuse to get it and 55% say they have or intend to.   That leaves 30% on the fence.  Figure half of them get it, that leads to 70% of Americans vaccinated.   Maybe more, because the percentage that have been vaccinated + intend to be vaccinated is slowly rising as concerns about the safety of the vaccines decrease over time.   

[NorvilleBarnes 3,907]

Meanwhile, in SF, animal rights protesters shut down a vaccination site (horseracing venue).

LINK

Always frustrating to see protesters harming their own cause.

[parasaurolophus 7,264]

16 minutes ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

Meanwhile, in SF, animal rights protesters shut down a vaccination site (horseracing venue).

LINK

Always frustrating to see protesters harming their own cause.

Why would those 4 chuckleheads not just be hauled off? 

I suppose that would mean enforcing laws. Bay area doesnt play that way. 

[the rover 5,524]

17 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

Why would those 4 chuckleheads not just be hauled off? 

I suppose that would mean enforcing laws. Bay area doesnt play that way. 

That pesky constitution.

[The Commish 13,662]

Wife was able to get one today from one of the federal inoculation sites here in Central Florida.  It was quite the set up...I was really impressed.  Well done Army!!  Our state agencies could take some notes from them and our local groups.