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Footballguy
That tends to happen when you make claims that have no evidence to support them. I really thought you might know something and I was interested to hear it.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
What was trump fully briefed on January 13th if human to human transmission was still being denied?
He's really not "doing" anything. They're getting as much vaccine as they can and pushing it out as quickly as possible, just like the previous administration. He's simply extrapolating out the data to estimate how many people will be vaccinated in that time frame. It's funny how people are pretending as if he's done anything differently than the plan the previous administration had in place before Biden even took office.
Yeah hes just one man but I give him credit for the work his administration is doing delivering more and more of the vaccine just like I give Trump credit for the work his administration doing on Operation Warp Speed which helped create multiple vaccines in record time.
The Commish
Footballguy
I agree that "the plan" isn't all that different. The glaring difference is in execution. That should be obvious to anyone not of the "1.5 million a month is the same trajectory as 1.5 million a day" crowd. How soon we forget the bar set by the last administration was 20 million in arms by the end of December....until it was changed to 20 million distributed to be put in arms by the end of December. I'm not sure THAT was even met. I'm sure someone here knows.
When Trump said he would have a vaccine in a year, or possibly by the end of the year, he was laughed at. Vaccines take YEARS. He did it in months. So he didn't meet EVERY goal. That's such a weird criticism when you take in to account what he did do in a time frame no one thought was even possible. And I know you won't agree but there is no doubt in my mind he got a vaccine done in at least half the time it would have taken for Biden or Hillary.
supermike80
Footballguy
What's even better is if there is a hiccup of any kind, the administration will go but but but TRUMP!!
Governor Whitmer is a champion of this.
The Commish
Footballguy
Tell this to someone who didn't give him credit....I did
I also laughed at him initially and thought "this won't end well and will probably kill more people than it helps". I'm glad I was wrong about that. If the entire game was only played in the first half he'd have smoked it. I don't question that at all.I have no idea if they'd done any better. There's no way of knowing so it's not something I've given any thought to. I look at what was done and it just validates my suspicions that we have a ton of unnecessary red tape in our process. That should now be obvious to everyone.
The Commish
Footballguy
Well of course they will....just like you guys did with "but Obama". Two sides of the same coin
supermike80
Footballguy
Well not "You guys" but yeah that's how the game is played. Long as everyone admits it, which doesn't happen here.Well of course they will....just like you guys did with "but Obama". Two sides of the same coin
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
Does any President really deserve much credit for creating a vaccine? I give far more credit to the medical professionals who actually contributed to creating and producing these vaccines in record time.
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The Commish
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supermike80
Footballguy
Just saying that isn't me. Others sure, but not me.It just happened
and right...not "you guys"
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Don was in the lab creating the vaccines, and Joe is out physically distributing them.
As a general rule, I'd say no. But I posted an article a couple of days ago about how the EU is struggling with acquiring vaccines. The contrast between their approach and Trump's is astounding. The medical professionals deserve massive amounts of credit for creating the vaccine. Trump's operation Warp Speed deserves credit for the speed at which that vaccine was created and for locking in the contracts that allowed the U.S. to be at the front of the line for it once it was created.
Dr_Zaius
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I would go so far as to say that in a way, the vaccine is what a lot of Trump voters thought they were getting when they voted for an "outsider" : someone who was not invested in the status quo and was therefore willing to upset the apple cart (e.g., buying the doses ahead of time) and thereby accomplish things that the conventional wisdom said couldn't be done. Unfortunately for his voters and the country as a whole, there aren't many other examples of Trump breaking the established paradigm to the benefit of the country.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I hate Trump but he got this right. Or at least stayed out of the way and let his people get it right. Europe has screwed the pooch here bigtime and we didn't. Trump Admin definitely deserves some credit for it.
The General
Footballguy
Starting to see a lot of cheaters getting these vaccines. Pretty much allowing people to answer questions if they are eligible in my State.
They won’t and can’t check.
Part of me is happy these are getting used however it is also pushing back when I can get it because they are still filling up the slots for people in the group ahead of me.
Super annoying then when people are complaining it’s going too slow.
They won’t and can’t check.
Part of me is happy these are getting used however it is also pushing back when I can get it because they are still filling up the slots for people in the group ahead of me.
Super annoying then when people are complaining it’s going too slow.
Terminalxylem
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What do think Trump did that the others wouldn’t?John123 said:
FTR, I think the vaccinologists and companies/individuals who strategized production of vaccines deserve the lion’s share of credit for where we are today. Government funding and EUAs certainly helped, but I believe any POTUS would have signed off on something akin to OWS.
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All Trumps fault. China definitely didn't hide things for months
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/health/covid-war-doctors-sanjay-gupta/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/health/covid-war-doctors-sanjay-gupta/index.html
Sand
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Robert Redfield - "I believe the virus escaped from the Chinese lab." I do, as well. It would be a heck of a coincidence for this to happen to originate essntially at a lab that was working on this virus. Too much of one.
That to say - yes, it was China's fault.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Literally nobody has claimed anything was all Trump's fault.
His handling of things here is what is his fault...regardless of what China did...he hid things here that he knew. He downplayed things here that he knew was BS. He had been briefed and still did so.
No amount of what China did or didn't do will change that.
the moops
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Footballguy
I got an email from the Washington Department of Health saying I was eligible, but when I went to get an appointment, the provider wanted me to confirm that I was eligible. I wasn't. I went back to the DOH tool and it said I wasn't eligible. I'm sure some people are answering falsely to jump the line, but in some cases it may just be a mistake.
IvanKaramazov
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I think this is reasonably likely as well. I wouldn't go so far as to say "it's China's fault" -- there's nothing wrong with doing research on bat coronaviruses, including gain-of-function research. And lab leaks can and do happen on occasion even if nobody is doing anything wildly wrong. I don't hold that against China, any more than I would hold it against Colorado State if something similar happened in Fort Collins.
It would be nice if China were a little more forthcoming, or even just a little forthcoming at all.
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Footballguy
Here's a seemingly unbiased article on the lack of evidence relating to the origin of the virus and the role of the Chinese government.
If it asks you to subscribe, you can read it in incognito mode.
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The General
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Osaurus
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I know someone who teaches at an Orlando university. When FL opened up to teachers K-12, he went to a FEMA site just to make an appointment, but was given his first injection on the spot. I guess the National Guard only cared that he was a teacher of some sort.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I totally believe it. Yesterday I was talking to a guy I know and he said he had just gotten the vaccine and I was like “I’m not eligible yet” and he was like “everybody is eligible, my girlfriend signed me up for an appointment” and I was like “your girlfriend said you were eligible” and he was like “wut.”
sho nuff
Footballguy
Could have easily done there here in TN. Just say you had an underlying condition when they opened up to that stuff. I had to provide no real proof I have asthma or high blood pressure. Anyone could have made an appointment and claimed they had something.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
yeah, it's not too hard to just get in. when I signed up online at Walgreens, there is a question to answer why you qualify, but its not like I needed to bring in a stub or anything for my appt. they just looked at my DL.
The General
Footballguy
I mean it’s good to have people getting vaxed as fast as possible but people are bragging about it. I mean shut the #### up if you do this.
The Commish
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Ultimately, I’m happy people are getting it. The faster it happens the better. It’s impossible to do it perfectly and fairly (your situation is a perfect example of how it should happen everywhere for people who aren’t yet eligible - nothing go to waste).
I’m just aggravated that it seems like it is pushing out when I can get it because people keep filling in spots that they shouldn’t - thereby pushing back when I can get it by following these rules.
I mean I want to plan my ####### vacations too.
So if you get it by perhaps jumping the line with some let’s say questionable answers just have the decency to keep it to yourself
Sand
Footballguy
There have been documented cases previously of lab animals being sold to wet markets for extra cash.
-fish-
Footballguy
If you gain some weight and start smoking, you're eligible in Washington next Wednesday.Ultimately, I’m happy people are getting it. The faster it happens the better. It’s impossible to do it perfectly and fairly (your situation is a perfect example of how it should happen everywhere for people who aren’t yet eligible - nothing go to waste).
I’m just aggravated that it seems like it is pushing out when I can get it because people keep filling in spots that they shouldn’t - thereby pushing back when I can get it by following these rules.
I mean I want to plan my ####### vacations too.
So if you get it by perhaps jumping the line with some let’s say questionable answers just have the decency to keep it to yourself
-fish-
Footballguy
I tried to verify this, but all I found was a Washington Examiner story citing a New York Post opinion piece that claimed a scientist made "millions" selling lab monkeys and rats to wet markets. Couldn't find any verified facts, but this story got repeated a lot over the course of a year. Sounds apocryphal.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The General
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IvanKaramazov
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Why it makes sense to think that WIV researchers may have brought covid-19 to Wuhan. It's Newsweek, which I'm kind of surprised still exists, but the author seems superficially credible.
I kind of don't know why this goes in the PSF version of this thread since the origin of covid-19 is completely an empirical issue that doesn't depend at all on politics or ideological priors, but we live in a deeply dumb era so it goes here.
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