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I think we agree on the numbers. I didn't say anything about Trump or Biden.
Because SC asked for numbers "since Biden won the election"...the real question is why SC thinks that's a meaningful question. It seems to be a new shtick with parts/roles and everything
Liberal democrat here. I think you are being hard on Trump with that grade, or better put, you are lumping too many things into that grade to really allow nuance.timschochet said:
Right on -- and I've been hoping SC lays out the reason he couched it that way. He may think "C'mon, it speaks for itself" ... but it doesn't.
To this day, I will never understand why Donald Trump was so resistant to being seen wearing a mask.
I would be fine with this if children as young as 6 months could get vaccinated. Until then, we should require unvaccinated people to wear masks indoors. The government will never require all people to get vaccinated, but it very well may require children to get a vaccine to attend public schools.
Projected Image: Alpha male that can take on anything. Not weak and vulnerable.
He is likely psychologically-impaired, petty, and more concerned with aesthetics than real things. He thought it made him look subject to something other than himself.
Ego (not able to admit he's wrong AND fear of supporters not liking him anymore). He seemed to have a hard time reading the room in just about every single situation including the ones involving his loyalists.
The 7-day averages peak every Friday. Hoping on Friday the 21st, it dips down below 800 for the first time in a long while (802 on Fri 5/14).
Interesting. I always thought Trump was on the long side of the lever in regards to the political far-right. Figured there was a significant cult-of-personality happening and that Trump could sway those supporters so long as he didn't pull a 180 on pet subjects (of which masking didn't seem to be one circa spring 2020).
Negative. The mortality rate of covid in children is a fraction of what it is with the flu even with the flu vaccine.
No. I think your Darwin comment was a jerk comment but you knew it was when you made it. So those of you taking the vaccine.... say some bad side effect comes out and you get sick. Make you a Darwin candidate?The Commish said:
Kinda surprised he didn't go all in and ask how many died since Biden won the dem primary
Death is a pretty low bar. COVID seems to have several downstream effects that will diminish quality of life.
So what's the bar to open back up? We've been wearing masks and distancing and giving up travel, etc. in the name of saving lives. Now you mention the downstream effects-- I actually think deaths is a pretty good marker to consider opening back up.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying
My low bar comment was in regard to comparing the two ailments, not the threshold for opening back up.
it is a low bar but it is a metric that can easily be tracked. you could use death as a surrogate for infections, do some data massaging to normalize across demographics (age, comorbidities, etc), but what # of infections are we, as a society, ok with?
But influenza is a pretty good comparison point. It's an infectious disease that we deal with every year. It makes some people sick, it makes some people very sick, and it kills a few people. And we do literally nothing about it (aside from vaccination) because we've collectively decided as a society that the harm caused by the flu isn't worth mitigating against.
IMO it no longer matters.. it is no longer about "us" as a country.
it's not that simple.
Think there's also some degree of fear of a variant forming that current vaccines aren't effective against.
Mortality isn't the only thing. As noted in this another threads, there are lots of people that contract COVID, don't die, but have some medium (and likely long) term health effects. Sure, those numbers are low for children, but since they cannot be vaccinated at this time, I say that those that can spread the virus should bear the burden of restrictions until everyone can be vaccinated.
But that's only true for those over 12 years old. My 8 year olds cannot get a vaccine at this time.
Sadly, I don't think the Modern American is capable of bearing any burden whatsoever.
I don't think we should give them a choice other than a) get vaccinated, or b) get burdened-inated
Negative. Schools still require masks. Everywhere else is a free public space, that would be you and your children's choice, not others.
Not true. For all those things there were laws that were voted on. You'll never get a vote past American's on mandatory vaccinations.
At this point the majority is accomodating the minority.
I don't know what "Darwin Candidate" means, but this is the theory...if it's too long to read it's summed up by "Survival of the Fittest"
considering the virus was at some point going to run its course and the Trump administration vaccine machine hitting full steam, its hardly what you say it was but with rare exception, what happens under a President is theirs to own
So children under 12 should be put at risk why? So those who can, but choose not to get a vaccine aren't unencumbered by masks? Not a good tradeoff IMO.
Most of those laws were not voted on, they were passed through the legislative process. Just like how every state has some sort of mandatory vaccinations written into law
hold on a min...
You're free to keep your kid in a bubble if you want. Most kids get sick as their immune system develops and it learns to develop it's own ant-bodies. The rest of us will open up and you can stay home if you want. It's over.
Amazing how 14 months have gone by and so many people haven't grasped the concept of a novel virus
