Mile High
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I have never once taken medical advice from politicians, youtubers, TV talk show host, people on FF sites etc.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Some of us are getting to keep our jobs, work remotely, be protected from the virus and get paid bonuses to do it.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Why would you expect people who happily got the vaccine the first time to be unhappy about getting it again? I feel like vaccine hesitant people really struggle with understanding the perspective of most of us that got the vaccine.
People who have already been vaccinated aren’t going to change their minds without some REALLY persuasive evidence. We generally aren’t going to agree that vaccines are dangerous, we aren’t going to agree that it’s some sort of huge burden or intrusion to get the vaccine, and we aren’t going to agree that getting additional booster shots occasionally is problematic.
I fully recognize that this is a problem in both directions and that most vaccinated people similarly have a hard time understanding the unvaccinated. But it does feel like a curious blind spot.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Exactly, and I am guessing a majority already got or signed up for boosters and aren't to the point of doing it to keep their jobs.
But like you said, this is one of several things in this country where either side just won't "get" where the other is coming from.
Max Power
Footballguy
Where I work had a huge outbreak of covid over the summer and it was mostly in vaccinated people. A lot of them joke about how the vaccine was overrated.
So now these people have two shots, had a case of covid, and you're telling them to go get a third shot? Why? They don't want to get on a never ending treadmill.
Max Power
Footballguy
I'll also say a LOT of people got the vaccine thinking that was what they needed to do to get on with their lives. Now they still have to wear masks and are being told they need more jabs at a time when other covid treatments are coming out.
Heck, even Bill Mahar said he was against a booster.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I was forced to - and won't again and oh ...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-covid-hospitalizations-rising-among-vaccinated
Fauci: COVID-19 hospitalizations rising among vaccinated
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I represent 1/2 of this. I personally don't have a problem with the booster and was expecting that part. The mask thing I am over, especially when other protocols like social distancing don't seem to be much of a priority, and we have given people plenty of time to get a shot if wanted. Like you said, many people thought the shot would let them get on with their lives without the other stuff.
Max Power
Footballguy
And I just think we'll see more push back on a booster in general. I know of at least 4 people who have had a variety of adverse "health events" since they became fully vaccinated. Granted these things can not be tied directly to the vaccine, but now it's in the back of people's minds and will come into play when they weigh if they should get a booster.
the moops
Footballguy
Why do people on the right assume that Maher is some darling of the left? In other words, why would I care what a non-scientist on the left or right thinks about the need for boosters?
Max Power
Footballguy
Well he is. And this is the same as if some right wing personality makes a claim. It gets referenced.
The claim was showing a known personality who happily got the vaccine and now doesn't want the booster.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
How many people do you know, Max? Why would 4 people with adverse health events in 6 to 8 months concern you at all? If only 4 people I know had adverse health events in that kind of timeframe, I'd consider that a banner year.
Why would you consider trying to tie any specific event to the vaccines? This isn't Deadpool; the vaccines aren't the cure for El Everything. People will continue to get cancer, crash their cars, have heart problems, sprain their ankles, and contract other health conditions, same as they did before COVID was a thing.
Sand
Footballguy
He's actually a pretty decent critical thinker. I certainly don't dismiss what he says out of hand like a lot of talking heads.
massraider
Footballguy
Why would I believe Fauci? He clearly is a liar, so I take this as great news, because obviously it's not true.
massraider
Footballguy
In the early 19th century, British people finally had access to the first vaccine in history, one that promised to protect them from smallpox, among the deadliest diseases of the era. Many Britons were skeptical of the vaccine, however, with fears extending well beyond the fatigue and sore arm that go along with many modern shots. The side effects they dreaded were far more terrifying: blindness, deafness, ulcers, a gruesome skin condition called “cowpox mange” — even sprouting hoofs and horns.
With that, the world’s first anti-vaccination movement was born.
You can probably find some Brits today that are all like, "I will get the Smallpox vaccination, but I want to see about long term affects. I don't know for sure if it produces half-cow babies, I'm just asking questions..."
With that, the world’s first anti-vaccination movement was born.
You can probably find some Brits today that are all like, "I will get the Smallpox vaccination, but I want to see about long term affects. I don't know for sure if it produces half-cow babies, I'm just asking questions..."
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Max Power
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These events occurred within a month of getting the vax. And while I know plenty of people and people who have had other issues. These are 4 people who have acknowledged it could be the vaccine causing their issues. While anecdotal, it goes to show there are going to be a % of the population more skeptical of a booster.
You can deny that all you want and say everyone you know thinks the vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective. Fine, knock yourself out. I'm sure all that VAERS reporting is totally bogus. None of those people or their familes will have second thoughts.
the moops
Footballguy
Saying and believing that the this vaccine is safe and effective does not mean that we believe they are 100% safe or 100% effective
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I know lots of people are skeptical of the vaccines. This forum alone proves it. I also think almost all of those people are skeptical for poor reasons, mostly political.Max Power said:
To your point of "within a month", I would repeat my previous assertion. In any given month, I probably know 4+ people that have health issues. Why tie any specific health issue to the vaccines?
the moops
Footballguy
We have the numbers and I am comfortable with what they are. Read away
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Max Power
Footballguy
You can call it a poor reason, but to them it's still a reason.
My overall point being that less people are going to take the booster than who took the first round.
Max Power
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Max, do you know whether these four people were pressured to get vaccinated by a mandate of other reason? Or were they the type that got the vaccine as soon as they were eligible? I’m just curious, I would imagine those two groups have differing views.Max Power said:
the moops
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
Two of them were required to for deployment purposes. I dont know how much they wanted it.
The other two wanted them.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
That will be true 100% of the time for all multi-step processes. You can't get a booster without getting a first dose.
Also, what % of those that got a breakthrough got J&J?
How's faith in the Kraken working out for you? You don't exactly have the best belief track record friend.
Max Power
Footballguy
I'd assume a high % but I dont know the actual %.
IMO the J&J is a trash "vaccine".
Max Power
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Seems a lot more likely that some of the Kraken Army get disbarred than it is they win a meaningful court case.
No no. Give it time. The steal must be stopped. Trump was robbed.
These folks don't seem to have a firm footing in reality.
The General
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NorvilleBarnes
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Max Power
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Who's going to tell him?AAABatteries said:
Desert_Power
Footballguy
At best, this seems like a very misleading summation of the article. Here is a longer block for anyone else scrolling through:Hospitalizations rising among fully vaccinated in U.S., Fauci says LINK
Thanks a lot fully vaxxedClogging up our hospitals.
“What we’re starting to see now is an uptick in hospitalizations among people who’ve been vaccinated but not boosted,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease, said Tuesday in an interview. “It’s a significant proportion, but not the majority by any means.”
On Wednesday, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, reported a decline in vaccine effectiveness among the elderly and residents of long-term care facilities, many of whom were the first to be eligible to be vaccinated last winter.
“Although the highest risk are those people who are unvaccinated, we are seeing an increase in emergency department visits among adults 65 and older, which are now again higher than they are for younger age groups,” Walensky said Wednesday at a White House Covid briefing.
Walensky also pointed to new data on long-term care facilities from the agency's National Healthcare Safety Network comparing rates of Covid disease between people who are vaccinated with two doses and those who have received extra doses.
“The rate of disease is markedly lower for those who received their booster shot, demonstrating our boosters are working,” she said.
Fauci and Walensky stressed that the majority of hospitalizations and deaths are still among unvaccinated people in the U.S.
"Studies show that those who are unvaccinated continue to be more likely to be infected, more likely to be in the hospital and more likely to have severe complications from Covid-19," Walensky said at the briefing.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Thanks a lot fully vaxxed
Funny, didn't see this in the link.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Wait, you were calling THAT the summation?
I'm sorry, I gave you WAY too much credit. My bad.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Likewise. Back on ignore for this anti-vaccine posting.Wait, you were calling THAT the summation?
Doug B
Footballguy
Regardless, it's sensationalism.
Who gives a rip if it's just "rising" -- that merely describes a trendline. "Barely rising"? "A shallow slope"? "A linear slope"? "An exponential rise?"
Next time, NBC, bring details.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
You have a link to Fauci claiming the vaccinated are clogging up the hospitals like your post said?I was quoting Dr. Fauci
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I wish you could quit me. The link was in the original post you complained about.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
The link didn't say what you claimed. You seem to be purposefully misrepresenting his comments to promote an anti-vaccine agenda. Very disappointing.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
"As cases of Covid-19 rise throughout the U.S., health officials warn that an increasing number of fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized or going to the emergency room." <> "Thanks a lot fully vaxxed Clogging up our hospitals."
If you want to troll against vaccines, you can probably do better than this
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
"As cases of Covid-19 rise throughout the U.S., health officials warn that an increasing number of fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized or going to the emergency room." <> "Thanks a lot fully vaxxed Clogging up our hospitals."
If you want to troll against vaccines, you can probably do better than this
Don't know what to tell you. RIF. Maybe read the bolded out loud? slowly?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Yes, reading is fundamental. Hope you make money off your "Jump to Conclusions" map, because this doesn't say anything close to your statements. Very disappointing to see.
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