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Screech if that is the case...
No way is Bisi Johnson starting for long. Hopefully this makes his price cheaper in redraft.Screech if that is the case...
Yeah I didn't realize he was going in the 5th round same as Thielen util a bit ago.No way is Bisi Johnson starting for long. Hopefully this makes his price cheaper in redraft.
The quote said his ADP is WR53, not 53 overall.Yeah I didn't realize he was going in the 5th round same as Thielen util a bit ago.
As a Vikings fan I love the optimism but no way he should be close to the same value as Thjielen for the 2020 season.
I sure hope I am wrong about that. That would be great for the Vikings.
Huh? More like the 9th to 12th from what I've been seeing.Yeah I didn't realize he was going in the 5th round same as Thielen util a bit ago.
As a Vikings fan I love the optimism but no way he should be close to the same value as Thjielen for the 2020 season.
I sure hope I am wrong about that. That would be great for the Vikings.
Sorry if I missed that in someones statement here.tangfoot said:The quote said his ADP is WR53, not 53 overall.
Mizelle is for dynasty ADP, not redraft.Sorry if I missed that in someones statement here.
I was referring to discussion of ADP of Thielen and Jefferson in the AT thread and one poster shared this ADP and that is what I was referencing as far as Jeferson and Thielen being selected in the same round.
That ADP does seem to be off compared to this ADP that had Thielen at 40 overall and Jefferson at 107.
Another person brought up ADP on yahoo and that being pretty different as well.
First-round WR Justin Jefferson has “distanced himself” from the rest of the Vikings receivers.
This conflicts with reports Jefferson isn’t higher than the No. 3 option. Jefferson missed the first two weeks of training camp on the COVID-19 List. Despite that, he’s rotated with Olabisi Johnson and Chad Beebe behind Adam Thielen in three-wide sets. The Star Tribune's Andrew Krammer believes Jefferson is “set up well” to win a starting job.
SOURCE: Minneapolis Star Tribune
Aug 21, 2020, 6:17 PM ET
I don't think Zimmer dislikes rookie players.Zimmer seems to be a rookie-hater and may just want things spread out. I like JJ long term a lot but avoided him in dynasty drafts with the intention of grabbing him if owners get impatient
Seems like what people would have been saying about Adam Thielen, Stefon Digfs and Charles Johnson when Treadwell was a 1st and 2nd year player. I suspect Jefferson will be a good NFL player but he is going to have to earn it.sorry but bisi johnson isn't going to be holding this guy back
If there's one organization in football where I would say that an unheralded player gets a legitimate shot by proving that he belongs, it's the Minnesota Vikings. They have routinely let their roster be a meritocracy.Seems like what people would have been saying about Adam Thielen, Stefon Digfs and Charles Johnson when Treadwell was a 1st and 2nd year player. I suspect Jefferson will be a good NFL player but he is going to have to earn it.
I don't think Zimmer dislikes rookie players.
I can see a scenario where Irv Smith catches more balls than people are thinking and if that happens Jeffersons numbers might be disappointing.
Tang said it way better than I did and I agree with the Smith part too. Jefferson could well be a guy that doesn't get off to the gangbusters start that's being hyped and I hope if that happens to be of service to those owners that get quick cold feet.Jefferson will have to earn his snaps because the starting job will not simply be handed to him.
ESPN's Courtney Cronin believes Justin Jefferson will begin the year as the Vikings No. 3 receiver.
It's a notable distinction because 51% of the Vikings pass attempts late last season came with only two receivers on the field. Bisi Johnson appears to be the other starter in two-TE sets alongside Adam Thielen with Jefferson getting reps in three-receiver sets and when the two starters need a breather. Keep expectations low for Jefferson early, but he's a breakout candidate in the second half of 2020. Cronin believes Jefferson "looked every bit the part of a first-rounder in training camp whether he lined up in the slot or outside."
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SOURCE: ESPN.com
Sep 2, 2020, 2:56 PM ET
Will Justin Jefferson reach 700 yards this season?
Every time I look up rookie receiver production, I'm floored at how few produce right out of the gate. On average over the last decade, only 3.2 rookie receivers per year go over 700 yards. So, with that, and the fact that he's not yet even listed as the starter for the Minnesota Vikings (who had just two receivers on the field 70% of the time last season), I'm going to take the under.
Justin Jefferson caught 3-of-3 targets for 44 yards in the Vikings' Week 2 loss to the Colts.
Jefferson, embarrassingly, led the Vikings in receiving yards, but Adam Thielen and Irv Smith both drew more looks. It was in no way a noteworthy performance. Playing in an offense low on overall weapons, Jefferson is not going to be in position for easy receptions. He has little path to re-draft relevance in 12-team leagues.
Sep 20, 2020, 9:30 PM ET
Andrew Krammer @Andrew_Krammer
Gary Kubiak on #Vikings rookie Justin Jefferson (5rec/70yds): "You’re going to see more and more of him...with the amount of plays we’ve been running, touches are hard to come by. So we’ve got to go find some snaps and if we do that, I think we’ll find the touches."
https://twitter.com/andrew_krammer/status/1309181384980865024?s=21
Minnesota Vikings: Promote Justin Jefferson to WR2
The Vikings' offense has struggled often in its first two games, and getting their first-round draft pick more opportunities could help turn this bad stint around. Jefferson has been targeted six times. That's it. But he's been effective when Kirk Cousins throws his way, hauling in five catches for 70 yards for an 83.3 catch percentage. Gary Kubiak must find ways to get the rookie wideout more involved to take some pressure off Adam Thielen, who's a great player but doesn't change the coverage like Stefon Diggs did. To me, the highly competitive Jefferson is the clear WR2 on this roster with the ability to run after the catch and win jump balls. The Vikings would benefit by moving him around and, more importantly, getting him the ball. According to Next Gen Stats, he has lined up in the slot on 85 percent of his 59 offensive plays, making three receptions for 56 yards (18.7 yards per catch). Jefferson's been targeted twice when aligned outside for 14 yards, but the big positive here is that he's averaged 5.11 yards of separation per target. The talent is there. Now, get this kid the ball.
https://twitter.com/courtneyrcronin/status/1310282598606802944?s=21Courtney Cronin @CourtneyRCronin
Safe to say Justin Jefferson's NFL acclimation period is over. The rookie WR has 6 catches for 104 yards at the two minute warning.
Justin Jefferson caught 7-of-9 targets for 175 yards and one touchdown in the Vikings' Week 3 loss to the Titans.
The first-round rookie entered this one with five catches for 70 yards on six targets, so this was definitely a shocking performance. There were whispers at the start of the game that the Vikings wanted to get the rookie more involved against Tennessee. Jefferson had over 100 yards at halftime and then roasted the Tennessee secondary for a 71-yard touchdown in the third quarter. His nine targets led the Vikings. Jefferson is suddenly very much worth rostering in 12-team leagues ahead of a Week 4 date with the Texans.
Sep 27, 2020, 4:38 PM ET
And ROS.
In my opinion:And ROS.
This guy is clearly in everyone's waiver radar, and looked fantastic.
That said, I get the the Vikes look to be throwing a LOT this year, but how confident are we that his production is going to be sustainable? And at what level?
Is this a guy who will have greater value than some WRs we are still waiting to break out like Cooks, Samuel, Hilton, Landry?
Is he as valuable as a guy like Chark or Fuller? John Brown, or Jeudy?
Trying to get past the hype and really understand what's truly going to be sustainable, and what comp. WR you see him finishing the season as being equal to?
Solid response, just chiming to say I appreciate it.In my opinion:
Guys I'd have Jefferson over: Landry, Jeudy
Guys I'd have over Jefferson: Hilton, Fuller, Chark, Deebo(assuming you meant him and not Curtis)
Guys about equal: J.Brown, Cooks
I might be being stubborn on Hilton, but with no Campbell/Pittman, he almost has to breakout. I also almost put Chark in the equal column, but I've never been a big fan of his, so your mileage may vary.
I view Jefferson as a WR3/4 right now, and fully expect him to be the #3 guy in the offense after Cook and Thielen. Somewhere between WR30-WR40 for me.
I think it is pretty tough to predict what is going to happen moving forward for Jeffrson with still only 3 games in the league. He doesn't have a sample size big enough to try to project from imo yet.And ROS.
This guy is clearly in everyone's waiver radar, and looked fantastic.
That said, I get the the Vikes look to be throwing a LOT this year, but how confident are we that his production is going to be sustainable? And at what level?
I don't know. I expected Cooks to do better than he has and I think Hilton is going to get a ton of targets as their main weapon besides Taylor now. I don't think I am trading Jefferson for those guys in redraft right now though and definitely not in dynasty. I do love all of those players too.Is this a guy who will have greater value than some WRs we are still waiting to break out like Cooks, Samuel, Hilton, Landry?
I would say Jeudy over Jefferson based on talent but I dunno about his QB. That seems like a big problem with Lock hurt. I am not jumping at any of these guys over Jefferson either.Is he as valuable as a guy like Chark or Fuller? John Brown, or Jeudy?
As I said above I think the crappy defense of the Vikings is sustainable and as such the passing attempts for the Vikings should be higher than what the coaches of the team would like it to be. I don't know who I would compare Jefferson to. I need to see more.Trying to get past the hype and really understand what's truly going to be sustainable, and what comp. WR you see him finishing the season as being equal to?
That feels pretty fluky though, its WAY below his career norms. He started really slow last year too. Maybe its a trend.I am likely being too optimistic in my above projection. Kirk Cousins has only completed 59% of his attempts so far this year.
Well 6 of those off target throws have been interceptions.That feels pretty fluky though, its WAY below his career norms. He started really slow last year too. Maybe its a trend.
Well the rhetoric after the last game is that the offense is changing. We shall see...SayWhat? said:The issue is that Cousins has 46 completions through 3 games. Forty-six!! Dak Prescott just had 37 in week 3. There’s simply not enough passing volume to sustain a single reliable WR, let alone two. He’s got some skills, but trusting him or Thielen is going to be hard to do until this offense changes.
That’s fine in theory. The offense certainly played better in week 3. But again, the team ended the game with 16 completions. That was following 19 and 11 in weeks one and two, respectively. Pretty tough to get fantasy relevant production out of that.Well the rhetoric after the last game is that the offense is changing. We shall see...
How about a poor man's Michael Thomas? A faster poor Mike with a homeless Sean Payton for a coach.IHEARTFF said:His comp is a rich man's Marvin Jones. He's gonna ball hard.
I hope so, he was the first player I snagged off of the waiver wire this week.
They have played KC BAL and STL so far. I agree these are good offenses but the 48 yards to a WR thing doesn't mean that much to me. Looking at the numbers the Texans look like a below average defense compared to the rest of the league. They have given up the most rushing yards of any team in the league so far, and a couple teams have 4 games played already.Who is starting him?
I can't get a bead on this match up with Hou. They are generally solid in pass D, and have faced offenses that can hang points on you. And still just one receiver to top 46 yards against them thus far.
I don't think the Titans defense is as good as it was last year. Jefferson did most of his damage against Butler. Who is he most likely to match up against with the Texans?The Titans are also considered a fairly solid pass D but Cousins was able to toss 3 TDs against them. Cousins also looks incredibly volatile, looking great one minute then like dung the next.
I think they have to because the defense is not stopping anyone. I think we saw some of this transition to being more of a pass first offense in the Vikings previous game and that should continue until the Vikings defense shows they can actually hold the score to less than 30 points.And this offense doesn't generate a lot of passing attempts per game, but now that Jefferson flashed, do they shift to do just more of that?
Brandin Cooks is a good player. The Vikings are getting Cameron Dantzler back but Mike Hughes is out and Tyler Boyd is doubtful. I suspect the Texans try to pick on Holton Hill who has been giving up a ton of receptions so far.I am actually thinking it may be safer to go to the other side of the field this weekend in Cooks, as the MIN pass D is a sieve, and despite Fuller looking like the main WR and being a full participant on Friday.
Its a tough choice. I could see going either way here. I think both Jefferson and Cooks have 6 or more targets in this game.Have no idea who to trust anymore.
Oh dude. I can save you the analysis for my teams that have Jefferson. I actually do believe (that's why I have him everywhere) but the truth is I have no choice. There is no debate. I started Patrick everywhere last night with some confidence because of how bad it is. There are no names on the wire or my benches that I'm putting above Jefferson so it is academic (for me). I'm sure many people have him in a tougher spot. Like would you put him over McLaurin if he plays?Who is starting him?
I can't get a bead on this match up with Hou. They are generally solid in pass D, and have faced offenses that can hang points on you. And still just one receiver to top 46 yards against them thus far.
The Titans are also considered a fairly solid pass D but Cousins was able to toss 3 TDs against them. Cousins also looks incredibly volatile, looking great one minute then like dung the next.
And this offense doesn't generate a lot of passing attempts per game, but now that Jefferson flashed, do they shift to do just more of that?
I am actually thinking it may be safer to go to the other side of the field this weekend in Cooks, as the MIN pass D is a sieve, and despite Fuller looking like the main WR and being a full participant on Friday.
Have no idea who to trust anymore.
I’ve had him in my starting lineup all week over Gallup and Lamb and alongside Beckham. Looking for upside since I’m currently 0-3. But CLE CB’s are either out or questionable so now I have no clue.Who is starting him?
I can't get a bead on this match up with Hou. They are generally solid in pass D, and have faced offenses that can hang points on you. And still just one receiver to top 46 yards against them thus far.
The Titans are also considered a fairly solid pass D but Cousins was able to toss 3 TDs against them. Cousins also looks incredibly volatile, looking great one minute then like dung the next.
And this offense doesn't generate a lot of passing attempts per game, but now that Jefferson flashed, do they shift to do just more of that?
I am actually thinking it may be safer to go to the other side of the field this weekend in Cooks, as the MIN pass D is a sieve, and despite Fuller looking like the main WR and being a full participant on Friday.
Have no idea who to trust anymore.