Eagles took Wentz with Bradford and Denver took Lock after signing Flacco. So have to think could be on the table. Now will they is a different matter.
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Footballguy
Did I miss the jaguars signing someone?
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/10/sports-illustrated-ranks-jags-with-worst-qb-situation-in-nfl/
Deamon
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Footballguy
yeah that is clear now. 
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Aaron Rodgers on @PatMcAfeeShow: "We haven't picked a skill player in the first round in 15 years, so that would be kind of cool."
Rodgers says whoever the pick is, he'll track down his phone number and welcome him to the team tonight -- if the Packers don't trade out.
— Matt Schneidman
Hilarious that after Rodgers mentioning GB not drafting a skill position player in 15 years, they draft a QB.
Rodgers says whoever the pick is, he'll track down his phone number and welcome him to the team tonight -- if the Packers don't trade out.
— Matt Schneidman
Hilarious that after Rodgers mentioning GB not drafting a skill position player in 15 years, they draft a QB.
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
I remember what a dink favre was when they drafted Rodgers. Hope he is cooler to the new kid.
Longtucky Lemmings
Footballguy
"- This draft also was the result of Gutekunst making moves to make up for more of his mistakes…"
Article is behind a paywall.....can you help me understand what McGinn meant by this?
I purposely left it that way so I don't get a copyright infringement or anything like that; I am sorry
Walter34
Footballguy
Set aside the "perceived" conflict between Lafleur and Rodgers, there are financial reasons that support the pick of Love.
The Pack will be tight against the cap next off season (Mar 2021) with a lot of non Rodgers contracts escalating to high amounts. The Smith brothers will count for $37M combined. Adams will be in the final year of his deal @ 13M and looking for a payday, Amos at an overpaid 10M, and several others between 6-10M. They currently have $175M counting against the 2021 cap already leaving around 23-30M in space only. And outside of the top 5 or 6 players they don't have a lot of talent to rely on.
If Rodgers is traded or released in March 2021, it would actually save the Pack almost $5M in cap space. 36M cap hit minus 31M in dead cap space if released or traded.
Rodgers cap hit escalates to almost 40M in 2022
A lot can happen over the next year with renegotiations and any number of other moves, but purely from a cap and dollars perspective, there is a logical line of thinking here. Love carries the clip board in 2020 and then the Pack have some options to consider next March.
The Pack will be tight against the cap next off season (Mar 2021) with a lot of non Rodgers contracts escalating to high amounts. The Smith brothers will count for $37M combined. Adams will be in the final year of his deal @ 13M and looking for a payday, Amos at an overpaid 10M, and several others between 6-10M. They currently have $175M counting against the 2021 cap already leaving around 23-30M in space only. And outside of the top 5 or 6 players they don't have a lot of talent to rely on.
If Rodgers is traded or released in March 2021, it would actually save the Pack almost $5M in cap space. 36M cap hit minus 31M in dead cap space if released or traded.
Rodgers cap hit escalates to almost 40M in 2022
A lot can happen over the next year with renegotiations and any number of other moves, but purely from a cap and dollars perspective, there is a logical line of thinking here. Love carries the clip board in 2020 and then the Pack have some options to consider next March.
RavenLunatic
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If Love was a 2nd round pick like Garropolo I'd think less of the potential and think he is high end trade bait. But Love is 21 years old so he can easily simmer for a couple of seasons and at 23 still have three left under his rookie deal.
GordonGekko
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Reminds me of Jameis Winston
Not sure if that's good or bad
Loads and loads of arm talent: not just strength but touch and accuracy as well
But mechanics and more so decision making are a mess
GB has a good record of getting the best out of raw QB prospects, so I think he definitely has a chance to smooth out some of his flaws
I have him as relatively distant QB3 over Herbert (who looks like a total bust to me), but I hope we get to see him in a week 17 or preseason game before he is thrown in to game actions
Whether that is 2021 or 2022
Not sure if that's good or bad
Loads and loads of arm talent: not just strength but touch and accuracy as well
But mechanics and more so decision making are a mess
GB has a good record of getting the best out of raw QB prospects, so I think he definitely has a chance to smooth out some of his flaws
I have him as relatively distant QB3 over Herbert (who looks like a total bust to me), but I hope we get to see him in a week 17 or preseason game before he is thrown in to game actions
Whether that is 2021 or 2022
I-ROK
Footballguy
Kizer, Hundley, Brohm... Packers have struck out as much as anyone on raw QB prospects.
Those guys were day 3 shots in the dark or signed as backups. Very different from trading up for a player in the 1st to one day give him the keys to the franchise
I-ROK
Footballguy
???
Brian Brohm was round 2 (52)
Deshone Kizer round 2 (52)
But sure, we can group them with Hundley to make the point.
Can you provide a RECENT example of GB getting the most out of a raw QB prospect not named Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers?
Kizer was picked by a different team, looked awful and was then traded for as a reclamation project at the cost of swapping picks in the 4th and 5th round.
Brohm was a miss. Ill give you that, but he was pretty much drafted to be a backup and actally was a third stringer in his only season with the Packers. Pretty sure Love has more capital and will get more time
More relevant would be the significantly less talented and worse prospect Matt Flynn—who flashed enough in a limited role, including looking really good against an 11-5 Lions team in 2011, to earn a starting gig and big contract in Seattle (until some random 3rd round rookie took it from him)
EDIT: And you say to exclude Rodgers and Favre but those are the only times the Packers in the modern era have invested as much in a QB as they have in Love. That's not to say he will be as good; but for a team's track record, those are much more relevant examples
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I-ROK
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Yes, there isn’t a precedent for the packers and a first round QB. I guess I just found it odd you’d say they have a history of getting the most out of raw QBs. That was the case in the Holmgren days, but those have been long gone.
Im not optimistic in Loves long term fantasy potential unless it’s SF/2QB
True I have him in SF but I wouldn’t wait two years on him in 1QB either.
And from what it seems the Packers want to move to a run heavy offense
But I really do love his upside to be a diet Big Ben type QB—if the Packers go run heavy though he might be a better real life than fantasy option though (if he pans out)
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GordonGekko
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Yep. Some franchises just find their way to relevancy (fantasy and real life) consistently and never stay down for long regardless of coach or QB:
Colts, Steelers, Packers, Ravens--might even put the 49ers, Cowboys, Eagles and Vikings here even though they haven't won championships recently (except the Eagles) or the Vikings ever or even the Giants though they are stretching it with how much they have been down lately (maybe forgetting some)
Every so often a Bellichick/Brady or Mahomes comes along to lift a redheaded stepchild franchise to the top--sometimes for a long time--and maybe Tua/Burrow can do that
But overall in dynasty I think there is definitely value to be had in a player going to a team like that--it's why unless I hate the prospect a ton like Herbert I'll probably make whomever the Steelers/Saints (if Payton is there)/Colts draft as their QB of the future a target in my Superflex drafts
If Love has the work ethic to improve, everything is there for him to be great
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voiceofunreason
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Their track record was really only good with Holmgren and then picking Rodgers. The coaches and front office are completely different. It’s probably a below average spot for him to get drafted. Especially if Rogers plays well and they don’t trade him, then he’s worthless.
Rodgers's days on the Packers are numbered. There were grumblings of discontent on both ends for a while and this really tells me the Packers are ready to move on and frankly that Rodgers is too.
They traded up to spend a 1st on him. They pretty much have to play him
It wasn't just Holmgren either. McCarthy too helped revive Favre in the early 2000s and develop Rodgers (a better prospect than Love but far from perfect coming out--considered similar arm talent as Love is right now but with far better decision making and similarly faulty mechanics)
Like I said: maybe it's not a winning formula but there are some teams I just trust more to find their way to relevance, come up with good QB play and the Packers are one of them
Obviously Lafleur and the current FO have to prove it, but their offseason signings did vault them to the NFC CG (they were overrated and not one of the 4 best teams or as good as their record but certainly better than 2018)
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Is anyone else seeing this stuff about the Packers making Love's contract fully guaranteed? Seems like a strange concession to make with a rookie who has no leverage, QB of the future or not.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
It had never been done with that pick, which is why it seems weird to do it when rookies have essentially zero leverage.
Maybe they intend to sit him for a while?
Hope not as a SF Love owner and it goes against my initial theory that relations between Rodgers and GB were strained enough that he had only a year or two left, but they might hesitate to guarantee under normal circumstances because they are hedging against the chance of injury. That's obviously less if he isn't playing games
GordonGekko
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Love was drafted as a salary cap move and to a certain extent a gamble. Other teams are winning with young qb. Balancing the cap to spend on the squad overall. That's the blue print to win. The friction doesn't matter compared to being competitive now and making a run in 3 years.
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