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Just now, menobrown said:

 

Which would be were Tomlin sent Claypool earlier in the game so hard to say that method worked.

I can guarantee he doesn't make a fool of himself in that 2 minute drill if he had remained on the bench.  Tomlin just didn't put him on restriction long enough.

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Just now, TheWinz said:

I can guarantee he doesn't make a fool of himself in that 2 minute drill if he had remained on the bench.  Tomlin just didn't put him on restriction long enough.

That's great but I guarantee you the team does not move the ball down the field with a chance to tie if he's still sitting on the bench.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

That's great but I guarantee you the team does not move the ball down the field with a chance to tie if he's still sitting on the bench.

So, in the end, Chase had a great game, embarrassed his coach, his team, his city, his state, his country, his continent, and his planet, and PIT still lost?

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Just now, TheWinz said:

So, in the end, Chase had a great game, embarrassed his coach, his team, his city, his state, his country, his continent, and his planet, and PIT still lost?

I don't know about all of that.

Claypool made two boneheaded mistakes and mixed in some really big time plays. I'm not pinning the loss on him and I'm a lot more embarrassed about Dalvin Cook running for 200+ on us to be honest.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I don't know about all of that.

Claypool made two boneheaded mistakes and mixed in some really big time plays. I'm not pinning the loss on him and I'm a lot more embarrassed about Dalvin Cook running for 200+ on us to be honest.

Of course I was exaggerating, but I don't buy the idea that a player's talent determines how boneheaded he can be.  I wonder if a certain hooded coach would allow it?

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10 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Of course I was exaggerating, but I don't buy the idea that a player's talent determines how boneheaded he can be.  I wonder if a certain hooded coach would allow it?

 

He's about as intolerant as it gets so who knows, certainly possible he'd have benched him the whole game.

One thing to consider. Maybe it's possible some of the secret sauce in Steelers ability to get good draft discounts on a lot of WR's is perhaps they got character red flags? Take Antonio Brown as an example. Back when his stuff with the Raiders blew up two people on twitter, one an ex scout with Giants and Bears and the other guy a current scout were on twitter saying this is why they did not draft AB with their teams and basically acting justified about it. I suggested to both of them they were a bit thick in the head if they felt in hindsight AB was not worth more then a 6th round pick but my point is they took a chance on a guy some teams did not want to touch and no matter how it ended it was worth it.

Also as badly as it ended and seemingly little return the Steelers got back for him one AB one of those picks ended up being Diontae Johnson. I can't remember where I heard it but one of the knocks on Diontae coming out was that he just did not love football.

I just think it's possible to consider the team is taking on some character risks on idea that Tomlin and his staff and keep them in line and as WR's go most of the time it's worked.

BTW- that game with Winslow in your sig is still the greatest football game I can recall watching and what really grabbed my attention and made me a fan of the game.

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23 minutes ago, menobrown said:

BTW- that game with Winslow in your sig is still the greatest football game I can recall watching and what really grabbed my attention and made me a fan of the game.

Both coaches said that may have been the greatest game ever played.  I remember Kellen being helped off the field multiple times.  To this day, he is my favorite player of all time.

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I mean I agree it was not smart and a bad look... but I think this thing has blown up a bit too much.  Ppl acting like he should be cancelled for doing a quick point that probably costed the team 2 seconds since they were all still running up to get set. 

Again, I 100 percent think it wasn't smart and am not defending it, but the backlash has gotten a bit out of hand.

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8 hours ago, Deamon said:

I mean I agree it was not smart and a bad look... but I think this thing has blown up a bit too much.  Ppl acting like he should be cancelled for doing a quick point that probably costed the team 2 seconds since they were all still running up to get set. 

Again, I 100 percent think it wasn't smart and am not defending it, but the backlash has gotten a bit out of hand.

Actually, it needs to be more out of hand.  That bonehead showboating definitely cost them at least 1 play, and maybe 2.  And PIT ran out of time on 1st down because of it.  Would they have tied it up with 1 or 2 more plays?  We will never know.

Now, I could possibly get behind him if he didn't react so negatively afterwards, but he obviously learned nothing and will do it again.  

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39 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Actually, it needs to be more out of hand.  That bonehead showboating definitely cost them at least 1 play, and maybe 2.  And PIT ran out of time on 1st down because of it.  Would they have tied it up with 1 or 2 more plays?  We will never know.

Now, I could possibly get behind him if he didn't react so negatively afterwards, but he obviously learned nothing and will do it again.  

2 plays????  The team still had to run up and the ref still had to come get the ball. Even if he ran to the line of scrimmage after he was down then it's probably 3 seconds he could have saved.  

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There is zero chance Claypool had any clue where the ref was or how far back his lineman were when he did his 1st down point. That was 100% "look at me" with total disregard to anything else. I definitely believe that if his head were completely in the football situational moment he *also* would not have let a defender knock it out of his hands. Not easily anyway. His response about how he knew where the ref was and all that was complete BS. Even if he really was as aware as he says, you can't do that crap. Hold the ball for dear life and stand over the spot. 

The personal foul on that first drive was really bad, too. Just shoves the defenders face right in front of the referee. That is bad but the worst part is that he was actually surprised it got called and complained about it. Like, what is the actual argument there? You put your hand on his facemask and shoved him. After the play. Two feet from the ref. I mean yes the guy will live and they're not playing a kids game out there, but you *must* be punished for shoving a dude's face in front of the ref. And there is no argument to be made. It isn't the act itself it is the lack of understanding about it.

He isn't the first, though, and he is only 23. I agree that this is a bit overblown. I think his future is still very bright and if anything he just became *more* of a buy low than he already was. The league is chalked full of selfish guys like him. 

ETA - refs should have called a penalty for the defender that knocked the ball loose

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37 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

There is zero chance Claypool had any clue where the ref was or how far back his lineman were when he did his 1st down point. That was 100% "look at me" with total disregard to anything else. I definitely believe that if his head were completely in the football situational moment he *also* would not have let a defender knock it out of his hands. Not easily anyway. His response about how he knew where the ref was and all that was complete BS. Even if he really was as aware as he says, you can't do that crap. Hold the ball for dear life and stand over the spot. 

The personal foul on that first drive was really bad, too. Just shoves the defenders face right in front of the referee. That is bad but the worst part is that he was actually surprised it got called and complained about it. Like, what is the actual argument there? You put your hand on his facemask and shoved him. After the play. Two feet from the ref. I mean yes the guy will live and they're not playing a kids game out there, but you *must* be punished for shoving a dude's face in front of the ref. And there is no argument to be made. It isn't the act itself it is the lack of understanding about it.

He isn't the first, though, and he is only 23. I agree that this is a bit overblown. I think his future is still very bright and if anything he just became *more* of a buy low than he already was. The league is chalked full of selfish guys like him. 

ETA - refs should have called a penalty for the defender that knocked the ball loose

It should have been a defensive delay of penalty, 5 yards, and a stopped clock. It cost the Steelers 10 seconds. 

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3 hours ago, TheWinz said:

 That bonehead showboating definitely cost them at least 1 play, and maybe 2. 

 

1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

Yup, this overreaction and exaggeration is crazy.  If you break down the tape, the celebration wasted 2 seconds.  The Steelers snapped the ball with 3 seconds left for their final play.  Add 2 seconds and they would have done it at 5.... so he cost the team 0-1 plays.  Dumb move but ppl gotta chill.

"There was no ref to give the ball to, so it's not like he cost his team a ton of time. However, if Claypool had run straight to the ref instead of celebrating, he probably could have saved one or two set 5conds, but he definitely didn't cost his team eight to 10 seconds like some people on the internet seem to think."

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51 minutes ago, Deamon said:

 

Yup, this overreaction and exaggeration is crazy.  If you break down the tape, the celebration wasted 2 seconds.  The Steelers snapped the ball with 3 seconds left for their final play.  Add 2 seconds and they would have done it at 5.... so he cost the team 0-1 plays.  Dumb move but ppl gotta chill.

"There was no ref to give the ball to, so it's not like he cost his team a ton of time. However, if Claypool had run straight to the ref instead of celebrating, he probably could have saved one or two set 5conds, but he definitely didn't cost his team eight to 10 seconds like some people on the internet seem to think."

Oh, don't even try to say he may have cost his team no plays.  He for sure cost them 1.  I said 1 or 2, you said 0 or 1, so let's agree on 1.  1 play that we will never get to see because of Chase.  As I said, if he would've stood up and said he is a complete moron and only cares about himself, I could at least begin to feel for him.  But he did nothing wrong as far as he is concerned, and he will do more crap like this.

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31 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Oh, don't even try to say he may have cost his team no plays.  He for sure cost them 1.  I said 1 or 2, you said 0 or 1, so let's agree on 1.  1 play that we will never get to see because of Chase.  As I said, if he would've stood up and said he is a complete moron and only cares about himself, I could at least begin to feel for him.  But he did nothing wrong as far as he is concerned, and he will do more crap like this.

Again, it may have cost them a play, but there's a pretty low chance they convert on that play AND the 2 point conversion, AND win in OT.

Not defending what he did at all.  It was dumb.  But the odds that he lost his team the game are incredibly minuscule.   TONS of players do stupid stuff that actually cost their team games (penalties, especially Unsportsmanlike conduct penalties) and don't get 10% of the heat he is getting. 

But hey, a lineman being dumb and holding a guy and costing his team the game wouldn't make for cool memes and forum discussions.

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33 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Again, it may have cost them a play, but there's a pretty low chance they convert on that play AND the 2 point conversion, AND win in OT.

Not defending what he did at all.  It was dumb.  But the odds that he lost his team the game are incredibly minuscule.   TONS of players do stupid stuff that actually cost their team games (penalties, especially Unsportsmanlike conduct penalties) and don't get 10% of the heat he is getting. 

But hey, a lineman being dumb and holding a guy and costing his team the game wouldn't make for cool memes and forum discussions.

Let me just ask - if Chase would've stood up at a podium after the game and said, "Yeah, I know I cost my team a few seconds, but I don't care.  I am so good that I deserve to do whatever I want, whenever I want."

Would you say people need to chill if he said that?  Because he basically did.

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Just now, TheWinz said:

Let me just ask - if Chase would've stood up at a podium after the game and said, "Yeah, I know I cost my team a few seconds, but I don't care.  I am so good that I deserve to do whatever I want, whenever I want."

Would you say people need to chill if he said that?  Because he basically did.

He didn't basically say that at all.  He said he made a mistake.  Also said that it's being overblown.  Both of those things are true.

But yes, in a world where athletes' quotes get analyzed to death, he definitely should have said something different.  Bad PR from him for sure, I fully agree.

Again, I'm not defending what he did.  But it wasn't NEAR as bad as you and many people are saying.  Players do WAY dumber things that have WAY more of an impact on their games and get SIGNIFICANTLY less press/pushback for it. 

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3 minutes ago, Deamon said:

He didn't basically say that at all.  He said he made a mistake.  Also said that it's being overblown.  Both of those things are true.

But yes, in a world where athletes' quotes get analyzed to death, he definitely should have said something different.  Bad PR from him for sure, I fully agree.

Again, I'm not defending what he did.  But it wasn't NEAR as bad as you and many people are saying.  Players do WAY dumber things that have WAY more of an impact on their games and get SIGNIFICANTLY less press/pushback for it. 

Oh, I agree.  I'm just having fun blowing it out of proportion.  ;)

Any idea why he was throwing a spazz after Ben clocked the ball?  I watched the video a few times, and can't figure out why.

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7 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Oh, I agree.  I'm just having fun blowing it out of proportion.  ;)

Any idea why he was throwing a spazz after Ben clocked the ball?  I watched the video a few times, and can't figure out why.

I'm assuming because the defender knocked the ball out of his hand which should have been an easy penalty call and the refs missed it.

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1 minute ago, Deamon said:

I'm assuming because the defender knocked the ball out of his hand which should have been an easy penalty call and the refs missed it.

I thought either that, or he was mad at his lineman for interrupting his TD celebration

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Here ye, here ye.  I declare Chase Claypool the biggest fantasy dog of 2021.

2020 rookie stats

  • 62 receptions
  • 873 receiving yards
  • 9 receiving TDs
  • 10 rushing attempts
  • 16 rushing yards
  • 2 rushing TDs
  • 11 total combined TDs

2021 stats

  • 47 receptions
  • 765 receiving yards
  • 1 receiving TD
  • 11 rushing attempts
  • 63 rushing yards
  • 0 rushing TDs
  • 1 total combined TD

Yeah, yeah.  There are a couple more games to play, so he will add to these numbers, and we know they can't run the ball and Ben is kaput but come on ....

Negative 10 total combined TDs on the year?

Woof!  🐶

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Thought it was interesting to see that Claypool is receiving extra defensive attention at a top-10 rate. Saw it on twitter the other day, will have to see if I can find it again. Guys like Adams, Waller, Kupp, McLaurin are all ahead of him which makes sense, but he’s up there despite Ben’s dead arm. 

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You can call me Ray Johnson is stealing snaps.

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Steelers role reversal: Ray-Ray McCloud getting more playing time than Chase Claypool of late

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...The Post-Gazette reported Wednesday that Claypool appeared to get into an argument with an assistant coach on the sidelines. Claypool’s playing time has been reduced in recent weeks.

Diontae Johnson, the Steelers, No. 1 receiver, played all but one snap against the Titans. Claypool is the Steelers’ No. 2 receiver, but his playing time has decreased in recent weeks with Ray-Ray McCloud garnering more snaps over the past three games.

The Titans game was the third consecutive game McCloud played more snaps than Claypool. Since playing 91% of the snaps against the Chargers and 98% of the snaps against the Bengals, Claypool’s playing time has decreased. He played 63% of the snaps against the Ravens, 59% of the snaps against the Vikings and 63% against the Titans.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Here ye, here ye.  I declare Chase Claypool the biggest fantasy dog of 2021.

2020 rookie stats

  • 62 receptions
  • 873 receiving yards
  • 9 receiving TDs
  • 10 rushing attempts
  • 16 rushing yards
  • 2 rushing TDs
  • 11 total combined TDs

2021 stats

  • 47 receptions
  • 765 receiving yards
  • 1 receiving TD
  • 11 rushing attempts
  • 63 rushing yards
  • 0 rushing TDs
  • 1 total combined TD

Yeah, yeah.  There are a couple more games to play, so he will add to these numbers, and we know they can't run the ball and Ben is kaput but come on ....

Negative 10 total combined TDs on the year?

Woof!  🐶

 

Touchdowns are the most random stat for WR. 

What about Davante Adams? He's also minus 10 from last year. What a dog. 

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Chase Claypool caught 3-of-9 targets for 17 yards in the Steelers' Week 17 win over the Browns.

With Big Ben averaging 2.7 yards per attempt, no Steelers pass-catchers were able to carve out big stat lines. Ray-Ray McCloud led the team with 35 receiving yards while Diontae Johnson caught the lone touchdown. Claypool's nine targets were third on the team, and they were mainly all contested on the outside in tight coverage. He took some big spills while trying to make tough grabs. Claypool has just one touchdown on the year, and it was all the way back in Week 5.

- NBC SportsEDGE

 

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Claypool definitely has some growing to do, but I can’t imagine a worse skillset fit with Big Ben this year. We can’t know who they’ll get at QB for next year, but the Steelers are a premier franchise and Front Office for a reason and I think I’d give them better odds than most to find an above average replacement that fits what they want to do, despite their history of absolutely horrendous backup QBs who never developed satisfactorily.

I really just think they fell into the same trap the Giants did with Eli and let loyalty color their decision-making, hanging onto the past for way too long bc it’s just hard to move on and replace your franchise guy. But when they know they need to dedicate their resources to a full-on replacement, even in a down year for blue chip rookie QBs (but a good year for depth of guys with potential imo—it’s the 1-2 cream of the crop studs at the top who are missing)? I think they’ll figure something out which will boost Claypool tremendously. A great buy opportunity given how disappointed his owners will be entering the offseason—but everyone knows they’ll replace Ben so that may end up priced in even for doubters. Hard to say. 

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