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Democratic VP candidates - Kamala Harris Is The Choice (2 Viewers)

Oh, Really?

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm

Let take a look at a few things, shall we?

First, note the last 20 years - Unemployment has been at 4% or less in 29 of those 240 months.

The average monthly Unemployment Rate is a little over 6%

Second, let look a little more closely at the trends.  Take a look at how unemployment was trending into Obama's presidency?  Did that trend change during Obama's administration?

Now, lets look at the trend leading into Trump's presidency.  Excluding the covid months, for the sake of this argument, did the trend change during Trump's administration?
Yo, work a little harder on your reading comprehension skills.   The “4-5%” bit that you quoted, attributed to me, and then attacked wasn’t written by me.

 
Honest question, what's so exciting now about Kamala Harris?  She didn't get any delegates in 2020 DNC presidential race.   
I'll try this one more time.

Harris, the candidate, is pretty strong.  She is very well spoken, and carries herself well in public.

Harris, the campaign manager, is pretty weak.

In her ill-fated 2020 run, she had dual campaign managers.  Her sister was a campaign manager, based in Baltimore, and she had a consultant-type campaign manager based in Oakland.  At the outset of the campaign season, she looked like she would be the national front-runner, and so she planned to run a national campaign.  Along the way, her sister and other campaign manager were somewhat estranged and they had different ideas on how to run the campaign - that friction was the beginning of her downfall.

By mid-summer, she was no longer a national front-runner, and the campaign tried to shift gears, and get into the Iowa race, and run a more traditional Dem race.  Unfortunately for her, the Iowa race was in full swing, and people were already choosing sides, and she was not in on the game.  

So, now she went from a potential national strategy that was not working out, to an Iowa strategy that was not working out - but she was still spending money of a national front-runner, running to campaign offices.  Eventually, the money dried up, and she did not see a viable path to the nomination.

In retrospect, she should have picked one campaign manager, and one strategy.  I think she could have made either strategy work, if she stuck to it - she could have been the challenger to Biden in South Carolina.  And, then who knows how the race would have unfolded on Super Tuesday and beyond.  Or, if she had started earlier, I think she could have been a viable contender in Iowa.  Instead of executing one strategy well, she flubbed two different strategies.

So - thats why she is a VP candidate and not a Presidential candidate - she could not run an effective campaign.  That will still be an issue for her in 2024 - but its possible she learns from Biden's staff who will be guiding her VP campaign.

 
So, not very exciting...which Pence wasn't either.
On the contrary - I think she is the spark the Dems were looking for in this race.  Its Biden who is a bit bland, while Harris is more of a firecracker.

Anecdotally, I'd say Dem enthusiasm is definitely up a notch or two since the announcement.

 
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On the contrary - I think she is the spark the Dems were looking for in this race.  Its Biden who is a bit bland, while Harris is more of a firecracker.

Anecdotally, I'd say Dem enthusiasm is definitely up a notch or two since the announcement.
Harris 'electrifies' West Indian voters — and gives Biden a new edge in Florida

If Harris truly energizes the Haitian community, in addition to the clear jolt to the native English-speaking Black West Indian diaspora community, it could be a big deal in Florida, where Trump won by just over 1% in 2016. Many in the Haitian community disliked the Clintons who they believe sliphoned off money after the earthquake.

 
I'll try this one more time.

Harris, the candidate, is pretty strong.  She is very well spoken, and carries herself well in public.

Harris, the campaign manager, is pretty weak.
I tend to agree with your point but I think she was a bad campaigner as well. I remember a town hall I watched somewhere along the way and she seemed to be trying to appeal to all people rather than taking a principled position. It made her come across hollow. Maybe that was the front-runner status but I think that's a bit why she gets the bland tag.

But completely agree she has a lot more personality than Biden and in the Senate she has shown star qualities which is why she was an early front runner. But her failed campaign didn't show any of that. 

 
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The more I hear about Kamala Harris, the more I like her.  I mean, if I couldn't get Bernie Sanders on the ticket, she's a solid second choice.  

Kamala Harris is not a moderate politician — far from it. She supports radical policies such as “Medicare-for-all,” a $15 per hour federal minimum wage, special taxes on financial institutions, open borders, gun control, and much more.

 
So, not very exciting...which Pence wasn't either.
Pence was not exciting but he served a purpose: he soothed the concerns of social conservatives who may have been uncomfortable voting for a deplorable secularist.

Harris serves a similar purpose: she soothes the concerns of two Democratic voter blocs (women and African-Americans).

Is she a perfect match to their desires? No, not by a longshot. But there was no "perfect option" available, IMO. Picking someone based on whether they're "exciting" is a dangerous proposition (see: Sarah Palin).

 
Fan or not this is pretty weak from her and she is simply going to have to do better of explaining things going forward.  What does it matter if "it was a debate"?  she sounds dumb

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1294460476865171456
She went on to say that people have differences and disagreements but that doesn’t override the commonality that they have on any number of other issues. The most important beating Trump.

 
She went on to say that people have differences and disagreements but that doesn’t override the commonality that they have on any number of other issues. The most important beating Trump.
Come on man, she insinuated (strongly) that he was a racist and laughs it off to being a "debate".  Man thats not cool.  You know she is going to get hammered over that going forward and she needs to tighten that up a bit.  

 
Someone should go back to the thread from that first debate to see how we all perceived Harris’s attack at the time.  I feel like there’s some revisionist history going on here.

 
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Come on man, she insinuated (strongly) that he was a racist and laughs it off to being a "debate".  Man thats not cool.  You know she is going to get hammered over that going forward and she needs to tighten that up a bit.  
She specifically said I’m not saying you are a racist but as a young black person here’s how I viewed your stances. 

Biden was a middle aged white dude having to make political compromises and shape law it was forty years ago.

How in the world would they view this exactly the same?

 
She specifically said I’m not saying you are a racist but as a young black person here’s how I viewed your stances. 

Biden was a middle aged white dude having to make political compromises and shape law it was forty years ago.

How in the world would they view this exactly the same?
Come on dude, lets not do this, she knew exactly what she was doing and how to phrase it.  go back and watch, go back and read immediately after the debate, she had this teed up from the jump.  This wasnt a spur of the moment comment.   And like I said she is going to have to answer this over and over and she is going to have to do a better job then saying "it was a debate" while laughing.  You can admit its not a good look.  You can do it

 
Harris 'electrifies' West Indian voters — and gives Biden a new edge in Florida

If Harris truly energizes the Haitian community, in addition to the clear jolt to the native English-speaking Black West Indian diaspora community, it could be a big deal in Florida, where Trump won by just over 1% in 2016. Many in the Haitian community disliked the Clintons who they believe sliphoned off money after the earthquake.
This is the first reason I've seen that would justify Harris as a candidate.   

Personally, I would have gone with the Michigan Governor, but we'll see how this plays out.

 
Come on dude, lets not do this, she knew exactly what she was doing and how to phrase it.  go back and watch, go back and read immediately after the debate, she had this teed up from the jump.  This wasnt a spur of the moment comment.   And like I said she is going to have to answer this over and over and she is going to have to do a better job then saying "it was a debate" while laughing.  You can admit its not a good look.  You can do it
She was trying to win. 

Do you think for one second Mike Pence can stand being around Trump for more than 5 seconds? His constant childish twitter bull####, the fake bible crap, the complete lack of understanding how simple things work, the sleaze, etc.

Is this an issue for you at all? Of course not.

 
Pence was not exciting but he served a purpose: he soothed the concerns of social conservatives who may have been uncomfortable voting for a deplorable secularist.

Harris serves a similar purpose: she soothes the concerns of two Democratic voter blocs (women and African-Americans).

Is she a perfect match to their desires? No, not by a longshot. But there was no "perfect option" available, IMO. Picking someone based on whether they're "exciting" is a dangerous proposition (see: Sarah Palin).
She also has the law and order background to soothe concerns moderate voters might have in regards to law and order, policing, etc. 

 
This is the first reason I've seen that would justify Harris as a candidate.   

Personally, I would have gone with the Michigan Governor, but we'll see how this plays out.
I think Whitmer brings too much COVID baggage with her. She is mostly popular in Michigan but the people that dislike her absolutely hate her. Plus, she is open to attacks if COVID and the economy in Michigan go south over the next few months. 

 
I think Whitmer brings too much COVID baggage with her. She is mostly popular in Michigan but the people that dislike her absolutely hate her. Plus, she is open to attacks if COVID and the economy in Michigan go south over the next few months. 
I think I'd still taker her over Kamala...Kamala is not likable and so far as I can tell isn't helping Biden with any important demographic.   The Florida angle is interesting, and I presumed there was something like that to justify what seems to be a questionable pick from a strategic perspective.   "Congrats Joe, you just locked up the black/female/California vote!"

 
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I think I'd still taker her over Kamala...Kamala is not likable and so far as I can tell isn't helping Biden with any important demographic.   The Florida angle is interesting, and I presumed there was something like that to justify what seems to be a questionable pick from a strategic perspective.   "Congrats Joe, you just locked up the black/female/California vote!"
Biden has a pretty big lead. Kamala was the most known, outside of Warren, of the group of names out there. Safest pick.

 
The General said:
Can the Kamala is a cog in the conservative apparatus please meet with the Kamala is an antifa squad member leftist and form a consensus? TIA
Yeah.  They're wrong.  Kamala is an extremely authoritarian, pro-war, establishment politician.  

The only thing I can think of is that Trump wants to attack her from the right, because he already knows she's going to get destroyed from the left.  

 
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Yeah.  They're wrong.  Kamala is an extremely authoritarian, pro-war, establishment politician.  

The only thing I can think of is that Trump wants to attack her from the right, because he already knows she's going to get destroyed from the left.  
These are the same people that called Obama a socialist.

 
I think I'd still taker her over Kamala...Kamala is not likable and so far as I can tell isn't helping Biden with any important demographic.   The Florida angle is interesting, and I presumed there was something like that to justify what seems to be a questionable pick from a strategic perspective.   "Congrats Joe, you just locked up the black/female/California vote!"
It's all about turnout.  If African American and female voters turn out anywhere near 2008/2012 levels, Biden wins easily.  If they turn out at 2016 levels it will be a lot closer.

I'm a firm believer that the difference in the 2016 election was low voter turnout among Black voters in Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee.

 
Come on dude, lets not do this, she knew exactly what she was doing and how to phrase it.  go back and watch, go back and read immediately after the debate, she had this teed up from the jump.  This wasnt a spur of the moment comment.   And like I said she is going to have to answer this over and over and she is going to have to do a better job then saying "it was a debate" while laughing.  You can admit its not a good look.  You can do it
Her campaign people had T--shirts commemorating the moment out for sale that night of the debate as I recall.

 
These are the same people that called Obama a socialist.
Yeah- they were wrong then too.  Fortunately for Obama he had credibility from a civil rights/civil libertarian perspective as a constitutional scholar with a pretty clean track record.  He was also a smooth politician and once-in-a-lifetime orator.  

Kamala Harris is none of those things.  I don’t think the ‘radical left’ stuff will stick, but the criminal justice/establishment  stuff will.  I can see this ending very badly for them.  

 
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I think I'd still taker her over Kamala...Kamala is not likable and so far as I can tell isn't helping Biden with any important demographic.   The Florida angle is interesting, and I presumed there was something like that to justify what seems to be a questionable pick from a strategic perspective.   "Congrats Joe, you just locked up the black/female/California vote!"
Of course you would - you are voting for a ticket that includes Trump and Pence.  Whitmer would be a huge upgrade.

 
It's all about turnout.  If African American and female voters turn out anywhere near 2008/2012 levels, Biden wins easily.  If they turn out at 2016 levels it will be a lot closer.

I'm a firm believer that the difference in the 2016 election was low voter turnout among Black voters in Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee.
It would seem that blacks don't need motivation with the current landscape, but if they are worried about black turnout then the Kamala selection makes more sense...I just didn't think that was in question.

 
My youngest daughter, who's uber liberal and just moved to LA in the middle of a pandemic, largely to be closer to more vegans and my liberals, is voting for the Biden ticket. She has more issues with Biden, but it's much better than the alternative. We'll see how much enthusiasm there is in 3 months.
Gawd bless the 2 party system!!!

 
I don't know if you all remember how forced Kamala's 'that little girl was me' bit was, but the way she interjected herself into the debate as 'the only black person on stage'  made it seem like the whole thing was scripted all along.  

It's not too late to buy the 'that little girl was me' t-shirt.  I actually think this would be great shtick for Trump supporters. 

 
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I don't know if you all remember how forced Kamala's 'that little girl was me' bit was, but the way she interjected herself into the debate as 'the only black person on stage'  made it seem like the whole thing was scripted all along.  

It's not too late to buy the 'that little girl was me' t-shirt.  I actually think this would be great shtick for Trump supporters. 
It seems more like you really just don’t like her. 

 
Gawd bless the 2 party system!!!
Consider the alternative - lets say its a 3 or 4 party system - where the winning candidate gets 35% of the vote.

That means 65% of the people wanted something different than the winner.  That is a very difficult deficit to climb - in terms of governing.

 
She is well spoken when she has a prepared statement or talking points, but from what I have seen, she often resembles a deer in the headlights when getting any kind of pushback on anything she says or when asked about something for which she wasn't prepared.  Vice President nominees rarely make a big difference in deciding a presidential election, and I don't think Harris' past flaws will hurt Biden at all, but calling her well spoken does seem a bit generous. 

 
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Because the main two are doing such a bang up job.

But, hey keep rooting for "your" side.  It's the American way.
What issues aren’t starkly enough drawn between the two choices we have that a 3rd party would address?

What would a 3rd party do to alleviate the issues our government has at the moment?

Once this 3rd party actually had to govern and not just say things like “through pragmatic problem solving and reduced paperwork we will lessens healthcare costs by 75%” you are telling me people wouldn’t find them to suck as well?

 

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