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32 minutes ago, TakiToki said:

My take (no representation of its veracity) is that Hurts was more of a guy that could hit open guys, whereas Mayfield and Murray could throw guys open. When you're throwing to CeeDee Lamb against Big 12 defenses, that's usually gonna be enough for huge numbers.

I think Hurts is a pretty bright guy that put in the work and was there for spring ball, so my guess is that time in the system wasn't a huge consideration, but certainly just a guess.

Fair though throwing to Hollywood Brown and CeeDee Lamb was a nice set up for Kyler. I imagine those guys were open a lot. Baker had Hollywood, Lamb and Mark Andrews. Hurts probably had the worst cast of the three.

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There is similar analytics with edge players, but I think they both get to the same point for different reasons. Edge guys, there is a physical minimum you must meet to beat NFL tackles, and if you ha

Just don’t think he has the arm talent to be a reliable starter long term. 

No respect?

On 3/26/2021 at 9:36 PM, Mister CIA said:

I can't get a bag of chips for Hurts in my start 1 qb dynasty league.  I own Wentz and Hurts and I approached 5 different owners trying to get a low-to-mid 3rd rounder for either and I got nothing but "thanks but no thanks."

 

Edit: one or two of my offers may have targeted very late 2nd rounders.

That doesn't make much sense to me. He showed enough to get a 2nd in a 1QB league (that's all I play in).

The Hurts owner was looking for a late 1st or early 2nd and then came to me with a Hurts for Drake. I'm waiting to make sure Philly doesn't do anything weird in the draft and then will probably make the deal.

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1 hour ago, Ilov80s said:

Somewhat misleading. He declined to name any starters. 

It's bull#### 

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NBC Sports Edge take:

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Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni refused to name Jalen Hurts as the team's starter and said there would be a quarterback competition this summer. 

Sirianni's announcement of a QB competition in Philadelphia can be seen as a rebuke of owner Jeffrey Laurie's reported desire for Jalen Hurts to get the Week 1 starting job. Beleaguered Eagles general manager Howie Roseman has denied those reports. Right now, Hurts would have the seemingly easy job of beating out Joe Flacco for the starting job, assuming the team doesn't draft a quarterback in the first couple rounds of next week's NFL Draft. "To name a starter at this particular time... we've been working with these guys for two days," said Sirianni, who apparently doesn't have access to film of Hurts' four 2020 starts. Hurts averaged 21.3 fantasy points in those starts -- seventh highest among QBs over the season's final month. He should be the Eagles' starter come September. 

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Joe Flacco

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Apr 21, 2021, 11:43 AM ET

 

 

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5 hours ago, Faust said:

NBC Sports Edge take:

 

It’s funny how Rotoworld gets so snarky about something so innocent and so common (especially for a new HC with a team that doesn’t really have an incumbent starter) and tries to spin it into come kind of incompetence.

Shame on them.

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5 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

It’s funny how Rotoworld gets so snarky about something so innocent and so common (especially for a new HC with a team that doesn’t really have an incumbent starter) and tries to spin it into come kind of incompetence.

Shame on them.

They really are tough to digest these days. Sad thing is, as the season wears on, you come to depend on sources like that to a degree when it comes down to something like knowing whether a team's fifth or sixth wide receiver will start because of injuries or something like that. I'm talking redraft here. They'd do better to keep the Twitter snark and narrative attitude out of their blurbs so they're readable and informative again.

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You have to drive content and clicks. I like the NBC Edge/Rotoworld crew, you just have to realize that their job really is: drive traffic. 

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Sorry if this has already been answered in this thread, but what is the approximate pick value of Hurts in this draft should someone want to trade for him?  My gut says to be careful because I don't get the warm and fuzzy feeling the coaches are sold on him.

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1 hour ago, JohnnyU said:

Sorry if this has already been answered in this thread, but what is the approximate pick value of Hurts in this draft should someone want to trade for him?  My gut says to be careful because I don't get the warm and fuzzy feeling the coaches are sold on him.

The other 11 owners in my 1QB dynasty don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling either.   I was asking for anyone willing to offer up one of their picks in exchange for Hurts & my 2.4.   I thought I might get a token 2.2 or 2.3 offer.   Maybe even a late first that would give me something to think about, but I received zero response.

Straight up?  I probably would take the profit and sell for mid-late 2nd.  However, I would rather have the Hurts lottery ticket than a 3.1.   

Obviously it's a completely different equation in a 2QB / superflex, but in a 12-team 1QB, I think there's just too much hype on this draft's QB class.  Anyone in the market for a starting QB or upside backup is setting their sights on a rookie. 

I'm expecting Lance to go somewhere in the 2nd in my draft.   I think Hurts vs Lance is a fair question for dynasty value.   I feel like Lance might ultimately have the higher upside and a better chance to hit.  However, I personally assess a lot of value to the fact that I should know what I have in Hurts pretty early in the 2021 season.  I'm not expecting that to be the case with Lance, so the idea of keeping him around for the better part of a year before finding out makes Hurts > Lance in my value assessment, but it's close.   This is my probability tree for Jalen Hurts and his most likely range of fantasy outcomes:

10% -   homerun, the next La-Jax, Dak, Watson

30% -  useful fantasy asset, anywhere from a poor man's Dak / low end fantasy QB1 to high-end QB2

60% - QB2 of little consequence in 1QB league, marginal value above a streaming option, anywhere from a fantasy roster clogger to a complete bust for fantasy and NFL

 

But the possibility of seeing something that looks like the top 10-20% outcome after week 3 of the 2021 season is worth something. 

 

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On 3/29/2021 at 2:29 PM, zed2283 said:

That doesn't make much sense to me. He showed enough to get a 2nd in a 1QB league (that's all I play in).

The Hurts owner was looking for a late 1st or early 2nd and then came to me with a Hurts for Drake. I'm waiting to make sure Philly doesn't do anything weird in the draft and then will probably make the deal.

Went through with this.

I gave: K.Drake, AJ Green, 2.5
He gave: J.Hurts, S.Watkins, 2.2, 2022 3rd

He owns Jacobs and is set up for a run, so he felt is was worth it (he also has Murray, Stafford, Tannehill).

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On 4/23/2021 at 2:40 PM, JohnnyU said:

Sorry if this has already been answered in this thread, but what is the approximate pick value of Hurts in this draft should someone want to trade for him?  My gut says to be careful because I don't get the warm and fuzzy feeling the coaches are sold on him.

Got him for Gurley and 2.8 in a single QB league right after the Wentz trade. 

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On 4/23/2021 at 2:40 PM, JohnnyU said:

Sorry if this has already been answered in this thread, but what is the approximate pick value of Hurts in this draft should someone want to trade for him?  My gut says to be careful because I don't get the warm and fuzzy feeling the coaches are sold on him.

If I were after a qb then I'd try to pick Lance then Fields. If unsuccessful I'd try to trade for Hurts, but would be comfortable with Wilson as plan b.

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JALEN HURTS QB, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

The Philadelphia Inquirer's Jeff McLane said it "remains to be seen" whether Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni will install run-pass options in the team's offense. 

Sirianni, the Colts offensive coordinator from 2018-2020, has been reluctant in committing to Jalen Hurts as the team's Week 1 starter or their long-term answer at QB. McLane said when the excitable Sirianni "first started installing the offense with his coaches, there wasn’t much in terms of the quarterback read run game or run-pass option plays." He's emphasized that quarterbacks in his system must abide by certain principles. “All great players in their own right, all like to do things differently, though, right? And our job as coaches is to adapt to the players we have, and run the plays they like, but we also have a system.” Hurts -- who completed 52 percent of his passes in 2020 -- hardly fits the profile of signal callers Sirianni has coached, including Andrew Luck and the statuesque Philip Rivers. Hurts' mobility makes him an enticing fantasy producer, but a stubborn Sirianni could set up the second-year QB to fail in 2021. Joe Flacco, who signed with the Eagles this offseason, would presumably be Hurts' backup. 

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SOURCE:  Inquirer.com

May 17, 2021, 8:49 AM ET

 

 

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I get the feeling that even with a good season where hurts shows promise, the eagles will address the quarterback position next offseason. He’ll pretty much have to take the league by storm to avoid being replaced, and given the eagles roster I just don’t see that happening. I would sell if I could get anything of value

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45 minutes ago, Skeletore Eh said:

I get the feeling that even with a good season where hurts shows promise, the eagles will address the quarterback position next offseason. He’ll pretty much have to take the league by storm to avoid being replaced, and given the eagles roster I just don’t see that happening. I would sell if I could get anything of value

They do have the easiest strength of schedule in the NFL this year on their side.

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2 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

They do have the easiest strength of schedule in the NFL this year on their side.

And they are going to be trailing all the time.  The secondary is trash 

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4 minutes ago, need2know said:

And they are going to be trailing all the time.  The secondary is trash 

Not sure that’s good for Hurts though. He’s probably best in a more run heavy offense. I know SOS doesn’t always carry over year to year but maybe they catch a break on that level. It’s just a strange situation how a team would spend a 2nd round pick on a player and then even if he ends up playing pretty well in year 2 consider just totally moving on. It’s a risk but just an odd risk to me. 

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3 hours ago, Skeletore Eh said:

I get the feeling that even with a good season where hurts shows promise, the eagles will address the quarterback position next offseason. He’ll pretty much have to take the league by storm to avoid being replaced, and given the eagles roster I just don’t see that happening. I would sell if I could get anything of value

My counter to this if he plays well he'll be someones starting QB.

 

7 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

 It’s just a strange situation how a team would spend a 2nd round pick on a player and then even if he ends up playing pretty well in year 2 consider just totally moving on. It’s a risk but just an odd risk to me. 

Spending a second on a QB when you had a fairly young Wentz locked up seemed odd to me but they almost dumb lucked into this situation with respect to I doubt they forecast Wentz not being part of the team but now in a likely rebuild year they get to take an extended look at Hurts. I feel like it worked out for them but no way was this the plan when they took him.

They also could not have planned on having potentially 3 #1 picks in 22 and that changes things. So to me nothing odd if they decide that Hurts is good but they can use that haul to do better, like Watson.

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On 5/17/2021 at 9:35 AM, Faust said:

 

I will say I’m listening to the Underdog pod with Josh Norris. He interviewed the Athletic writer covering the Eagles and he said the teams plan has been to implement an offense that suits the players, not the other way around. Hopefully that’s a good sign.

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1 hour ago, Ilov80s said:

Not sure that’s good for Hurts though. He’s probably best in a more run heavy offense. I know SOS doesn’t always carry over year to year but maybe they catch a break on that level. It’s just a strange situation how a team would spend a 2nd round pick on a player and then even if he ends up playing pretty well in year 2 consider just totally moving on. It’s a risk but just an odd risk to me. 

i think hurts will get a legit shot this year and if he shows improvement i think they stick with him.

all that said i do think the smoke around watson is for real and they could trade for him......

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22 minutes ago, need2know said:

i think hurts will get a legit shot this year and if he shows improvement i think they stick with him.

all that said i do think the smoke around watson is for real and they could trade for him......

But if they traded for Watson I would have to assume that Houston would want Hurts going back the other way so he should still be a starter in that scenario as well.  

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2 hours ago, Gally said:

But if they traded for Watson I would have to assume that Houston would want Hurts going back the other way so he should still be a starter in that scenario as well.  

Right, I guess hopefully he plays well enough to be the starter somewhere next year 

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