The General
Footballguy
You are saying people in the US are confused on where the virus came from?Yeah it is but remember what China did. They blamed the virus on is. So they get.
You are saying people in the US are confused on where the virus came from?Yeah it is but remember what China did. They blamed the virus on is. So they get.
You guys are taking about the stupidest things.Again I would ask in what context? But to move past that lets just say everyone on CNN called it Chinese virus at some point when referring to it.
Why is it important for Trump now to change in his notes to call it “Chinese” virus? Why would that be important.
Yeah this is trivial.You guys are taking about the stupidest things.
I am late on this. It did come from China correct?You are saying people in the US are confused on where the virus came from?
OMG, I am having trouble following this. We have now wasting time arguing about the term this is called by? Makes no sense to me. Only in America. This is why I think we are doomed in November.The article is about CNN only and I saw no mention of MSNBC (don't have time to watch video, awaiting task force briefing).
CNN blasted for now declaring 'Wuhan virus' as 'racist' after weeks of network's 'China's coronavirus' coverage
CNN appeared to take the position this week that describing the coronavirus as the "Wuhan virus" or the "Chinese coronavirus" is racist but had a much different tone before the outbreak hit the U.S.
On Wednesday night, CNN chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta was extremely critical of President Trump's Oval Office address on the coronavirus outbreak, but not because of the factual errors the White House had to clarify later that many critics flagged.
“The president referred to the coronavirus as a ‘foreign virus,’ that I think was interesting because, I was talking to sources earlier this evening, one of the points that the president wanted to make tonight, wanted to get across to Americans, is that this virus did not start here, but that they’re dealing it,” Acosta said. “Now, why the president would go as far to describe it as a foreign virus, that is something we’ll also be asking questions about.”
Acosta then insisted Trump is "going to come across to a lot of Americans as smacking of xenophobia" too because he said the coronavirus came from a foreign source.
That's not really what it's about, but yeah folks have a little more time on their hands these days.OMG, I am having trouble following this. We have now wasting time arguing about the term this is called by? Makes no sense to me. Only in America. This is why I think we are doomed in November.
Yes. It’s contagious too. Be careful.I am late on this. It did come from China correct?
So, just so I understand you, Asian Americans are not being bullied? Because there are many accounts, including physician accounts, that have clearly shown it is happening.Maybe if I tweeted it you would believe it. Making up stories of Asian kids getting bullied in school is not cool.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/coronavirus-asian-americans-attacks.htmlYeah it isn't happening
squis posted one...here is another from someone on this board...I know you love to ask for links so by all means.......
Unless you are of Asian ancestry.Would you please stop with the "liar" nonsense? Everything is so over the top with you. Relax.
Let me rephrase, just like normal there are idiots out there but nothing out of the ordinary to fuss about.
Yeah it isn't happening
Its not over the top...you made a claim that this stuff was not happening...I quoted it above. So i ask you...do you think these people are lying...or do you admit those things are, in fact, happening?Would you please stop with the "liar" nonsense? Everything is so over the top with you. Relax.
Let me rephrase, just like normal there are idiots out there but nothing out of the ordinary to fuss about.
Read @Tom Skerritt's link. Are you suggesting these are "nothing out of the ordinary to fuss about"?Would you please stop with the "liar" nonsense? Everything is so over the top with you. Relax.
Let me rephrase, just like normal there are idiots out there but nothing out of the ordinary to fuss about.
On 10 March 2020, a Korean woman in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, was confronted on the street by somebody yelling "Where is your corona mask, you Asian #####?" before punching the woman, dislocating her jaw.[176] Later in the week, in Forest Hills, Queens, New York City, an Asian man walking with his 10-year-old son was harassed by a person yelling, "Where the #### is your mask? You ####### Chinese" before being hit over the head.[177] Another incident occurred on 16 March where a woman in Midtown Manhattan was spat upon, and had her hair pulled out by a woman who blamed her for coronavirus.[178]
In the New York City Subway, a woman wearing a face mask was punched and kicked by a man who called her "diseased".[179] Numerous other incidences of harassment of Asians on the New York City Subway followed, including one in which a person was seen spraying an Asian man with an unknown substance;[180][181] another involving a man harassing an Asian couple wearing masks before the couple was chaperoned to safety;[182] and one in which a woman was confronted by a man saying, "You're Chinese, why did you bring corona to America?".[183]
In a Philadelphia SEPTA subway station, an Asian couple was surrounded by a group and attacked.[184] Harassment and attacks on Asians have included a reporter for the Philadelphia Inquirer who was verbally harassed several times.[185]
Chinatown in Houston faced a drop in customers after people falsely and maliciously spread rumors online of an outbreak of the coronavirus.[186] Restaurants in Chinatown in Boston have also lost customers due to fears of coronavirus.[187] The government of New York City cited a report which estimated a 40 percent sales drop for Chinese businesses in Flushing, Queens, while other reports suggested the drop ranged from 30 to 80 percent.[188][189]
In Los Angeles, a Thai-American woman on the Los Angeles subway captured footage of a man screaming racist comments and expletives about coronavirus.[106] On 13 February 2020, Los Angeles authorities spoke out against a number of bullying incidents and assaults against the Asian-American community, including a middle-schooler being beaten and hospitalized.[190] A 16-year-old boy in San Fernando Valley was physically attacked by bullies in his high school who accused him of having the coronavirus because he is Asian-American. [191] Robin Toma of the L.A. County Human Relations Commission stated, "Many may be quick to assume that just because someone is Asian or from China that somehow they are more likely to be carriers of the virus. We need to speak out against this when we see it. We need to speak up, not be bystanders, be upstanders."[191] Other forms of harassment in Los Angeles included fake World Health Organization (WHO) flyers advising people to avoid Asian-American restaurants.[192]
Two Hmong men were rejected from two hotels in Indiana due to being perceived to have the coronavirus by the hotel staff.[193]
40,000 people signed a petition to expel two students from Bolsa Grande High School after they were seen in videos bullying Vietnamese-American students. Garden Grove Unified School District's public information officer responded by saying the students will face "disciplinary action in accordance with the California Education Code."[194]
Former presidential candidate Andrew Yang spoke of an uptick in anti-Asian racism surrounding the coronavirus.[195] Several lawmakers, including multiple members of Congress, denounced xenophobia related to the coronavirus in a press conference, and said that Asian-American businesses across the country, from grocery stores to nail salons and restaurants, had been forced into financial crises due to a reduction in customers.[196]
In Brooklyn, New York, a social media post was sent from the office of New York State Assemblymember Mathylde Frontus urging citizens to avoid Chinese businesses. Frontus apologized for the message, blaming the incident on a part-time office assistant sharing a chain email; the staff worker was fired and the rest of the staff was ordered to complete cultural sensitivity training.[197][198] The apology by the Assemblymember triggered Brooklyn Community Board 13 member Ronald X. Stewart to post a xenophobic anti-Chinese rant, also targeted to Chinese-Americans, on social media expressing dismay that the Assemblymember had to make an apology. That community board member was given notice by Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams that his reappointment to the community board would not be renewed.[197]
Do you believe President Trump is playing this card on purpose?Geebus, you can find anecdotal evidence of anything if you whip out the microscope and look for it. The people who are suddenly bullying people who look Asian are the people who are awful human beings all the time. They just have a new target to their bullying. Well-intentioned, kind-hearted people who have treated others with respect their entire lives aren't magically transforming personalities and spitting on Asians. It's the people who will spit at and heckle the next segment of the population deemed responsible for the next strain on society. Newsflash, some people are awful. It's not a reflection on any other race or segment of the species.
Yes. I believe he's calling it the China virus to both try and show everyone who is to blame and also to elicit a media response that will backfire on them as it always does. The above discussion about increased bullying of Asians and assigning the responsibility to Trump for it, is an example of how the media tries to stir outrage that winds up only being directed at the media itself.Do you believe President Trump is playing this card on purpose?
And let's say that there are 100 anecdotes of xenophobic bullying of Asians. How many bullies out of 100 would you suspect are Trump supporters?Geebus, you can find anecdotal evidence of anything if you whip out the microscope and look for it. The people who are suddenly bullying people who look Asian are the people who are awful human beings all the time. They just have a new target to their bullying. Well-intentioned, kind-hearted people who have treated others with respect their entire lives aren't magically transforming personalities and spitting on Asians. It's the people who will spit at and heckle the next segment of the population deemed responsible for the next strain on society. Newsflash, some people are awful. It's not a reflection on any other race or segment of the species.
Sure. But lets not claim it isnt happening as some have...and lets not defend awful rhetoric out of OOTUS that may be contributing to such things.Geebus, you can find anecdotal evidence of anything if you whip out the microscope and look for it. The people who are suddenly bullying people who look Asian are the people who are awful human beings all the time. They just have a new target to their bullying. Well-intentioned, kind-hearted people who have treated others with respect their entire lives aren't magically transforming personalities and spitting on Asians. It's the people who will spit at and heckle the next segment of the population deemed responsible for the next strain on society. Newsflash, some people are awful. It's not a reflection on any other race or segment of the species.
Let me know when someone defends rhetoric leading to attacking anyone with a maga hat. Because that isn't happening.Yes, there are cases of it happening but nothing out of the ordinary. Folks are also getting attacked for wearing MAGA hats. There are crazies everywhere.
No...calling it the Chinese virus is not stating facts...just stopIf you mean calling it Chinese virus. Of course. China falsely tried to claim Anericans created it. Trump is speaking facts.
I have a pretty obvious explanationStill not hearing any explanation for why Trump would scratch “Corona” and replace it with “Chinese” in his notes.
So obvious.
Keep fighting the good fight. It's a good look.Yeah it isn't happening
Using your own logic, can we please rename The Spanish Flu to The American Flu then?Did the virus start in China yes or no?No...calling it the Chinese virus is not stating facts...just stop
He isnt saying that...if he saod Covid19 or CoronaVirus that originated in China...nit a bog problem.Did the virus start in China yes or no?
Because leaders aren't out fanning the flames like Trump is...thats the point man.They are very similar and it is very telling that you don't see it.
No...Im pretty much spot on with my analysis of the situation and your deflection and inability to admit Trumps flaws.Seems like you are having a difficult time with this. Probably better for you to focus on other things.
Yet you constantly defend even his most simple errors that it would be easy to say...yeah, that is dumb of him.I am very good at identifying Trump's flaws but this isn't one of them. I do spot the flaws in your analysis and have corrected them. I will leave it at that.
https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/1242053513540231169Yet you constantly defend even his most simple errors that it would be easy to say...yeah, that is dumb of him.
Ill take the words of Fauci and others who refuse to call it what Trump does and continue to encourage him to stop.
Please send me the link to your outrage (or even a slight comment) when the media routinely referred to it as the Wuhan Virus.No...calling it the Chinese virus is not stating facts...just stop
After it had a real name? Did they cross out the real name in their notes as Trump has? Are they the leader of the country spreading such things? And did they continue to do so?Please send me the link to your outrage (or even a slight comment) when the media routinely referred to it as the Wuhan Virus.
I wont hold my breathe.
If I'm going to trust one of those 2 to actually know what they are talking about, the answer should be obvious.https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/1242053513540231169
Dr. Fauci unloads on Trump, says he would never call Coronavirus the “Chinese virus.” “Things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual...I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push [Trump] down.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/23/coronavirus-trump-anthony-fauci/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
Oh, is that how racism works? Its not racist if we dont have another name. Once we have another name, how dare he.After it had a real name? Did they cross out the real name in their notes as Trump has? Are they the leader of the country spreading such things? And did they continue to do so?
Poor false equivalence there especially given how that all changed, right?
Sure. Its how “outrage” works. Amd I supposed to be outraged today that the media isnt calling something anymore? Or be rightfully critical of POTUS still doing ot against the recommendation of his advisors?Oh, is that how racism works? Its not racist if we dont have another name. Once we have another name, how dare he.
And enough of this tired defense. You called out people in this very thread about not being able to admit when the president does/says something stupid or wrong....yet you refuse to call out the media it seems. As long as they are on your side, its cool.
irrationality,Sure. Its how “outrage” works. Amd I supposed to be outraged today that the media isnt calling something anymore? Or be rightfully critical of POTUS still doing ot against the recommendation of his advisors?
The tired defense is spinning this right now as anything other than Trump being in the wrong. Worrying about what the media did probably a month ago vs what Trump still does daily.
There is no double standard...thats the point...but yeah...call it derangement...classy.
It's not that it is factual wrong. It is that Trump doing this serves zero purpose other than to inflame, troll, distract. It's his go to move.We can both agree Fauchi is great but that doesn't mean Trump is wrong.
Actually it wasn't racist then, but it is racist now if one continues to use it after it being told it is offensive to Asian Americans (and it is no excuse to disingenuously say, "That's where it came from").For the record, I dont care when CNN, MSNBC, etc stopped calling it the Wuhan Virus. It wasnt racist then and it isnt racist now.
Im referring to the double standard, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I agree with you that it isn't racist, but it is inflammatory and unnecessary.For the record, I dont care when CNN, MSNBC, etc stopped calling it the Wuhan Virus. It wasnt racist then and it isnt racist now.
Im referring to the double standard, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
It's always about making everything about himself. Like when he melted down during the press questions, questions both Pence and Biden answered in a rational way.It's not that it is factual wrong. It is that Trump doing this serves zero purpose other than to inflame, troll, distract. It's his go to move.
Well, first off...no, and ofd howbthe “new guy” makes such a claim with zero basis.Not sure you should be calling out classy to anyone. You consistently talk down to posters here and can never admit when you are wrong.
Because he keeps doing dumb things...its not hypocritical though. Once there was an actual name...and of they continued today to do so...then they would be hypocritical. But they haven't. They stopped...he continues.irrationality,
unreasonableness
delirium,
frenzy,
hysteria
Yes, I have zero issue applying these terms to the media in regards to Trump. Ive said it on here before, Trump is a moron and the media cant stop looking and reporting on every. single. thing. he. does.....as long as it isnt anything positive.
As to your post, you arent supposed to be outraged about the media not calling something a specific term. You should be concerned with their overall hypocrisy when reporting about Trump. It was fine when we did it, but its terrible now that we stopped and you're doing it.
Very relevant.Is it still OK to call the 1918 pandemic the Spanish Flu?
Probably not...since it didn't originate there...we should change that name, right?Is it still OK to call the 1918 pandemic the Spanish Flu?
It's not fair that I can't be a troll, so I'm going to ruin it for everyone else.For the record, I dont care when CNN, MSNBC, etc stopped calling it the Wuhan Virus. It wasnt racist then and it isnt racist now.
Im referring to the double standard