Dynasty & Redraft: QB Justin Herbert, Chargers

[fightingillini 714]

2 hours ago, Stat Correction said:

Used him to fill in for Lamar during his bye this week.

Seriously contemplating leaving him in there permanently.

If he can start stacking together some wins, he will be in the ROY conversation.

I would trade Lamar and roll the dice with Herbert.  At worst Herbert is a low end QB1, and we saw his upside which is through the roof.  Lamar is still very good, but we have seen BAL take their foot off the gas when the game is out of hand.  He is past his bye as well.

Herbert will help win a lot of titles this year, and will easily be one of the waiver wire pickups of the year.

[Judge Smails 4,034]

Owner in our league has Lamar and Herbert. He’s shopping Lamar big time.  What Herbert is doing is Dan Marino-light impressive. Sky is the limit. Kid is unflappable, has a huge arm, greets touch and can run. 

[steelwind 375]

Week 7 looked more like a pass oriented game plan with less conservative running drives.  I wonder if Lynn made the adjustment based on Herbert's strengths.  Because Jackson and Kelley sure aren't effective running the ball - part of it is their oline.

We'll see moving forward.  If the pass heavy game plan sticks, oh boy.

[Gr00vus 12,075]

17 hours ago, BoltBacker said:

It's not meant to be negative at all. I just wonder if he'll be able to stay healthy. I have no confidence in telesco having the will to build a line to protect him. He takes a lot of hits which is fine when you are half a dozen games into your career, less so when the seasons start piling up.

Even in that KC game if you go back and watch you wonder, "Why is he taking those big hits that he doesn't have to?".

He definitely needs to learn how to avoid hits when running for sure. I've seen multiple times he's actually lead with his throwing shoulder when trying to run through defenders. Bad idea.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Gr00vus

[Deamon 6,085]

Least favourite player in the NFL.  I hate that he looks good and hope it ends soon.

[Dizzy 803]

1 minute ago, Deamon said:

Least favourite player in the NFL.  I hate that he looks good and hope it ends soon.

That's funny.

Every time I see the used now I picture Keenan Allen.

[burgundy and gold 2]

[ffguru56 8]

5 hours ago, fightingillini said:

I would trade Lamar and roll the dice with Herbert.  At worst Herbert is a low end QB1, and we saw his upside which is through the roof.  Lamar is still very good, but we have seen BAL take their foot off the gas when the game is out of hand.  He is past his bye as well.

Herbert will help win a lot of titles this year, and will easily be one of the waiver wire pickups of the year.

I drafted him in dynasty so I obviously hope this is evidence that he is Dan Marino-light but, to play devil's advocate, I think the true test will be year 2.  It's obviously very promising to see a rookie play the way he has but other rookies have done well and then have ultimately faltered (re: Baker Mayfield).  Perhaps it's a mental aspect to the game that offers (for some) a rookie outbreak but then they lose it afterwards.  Perhaps it's tape that coaches review to understand that QB's nuances and so defenses can attack them the subsequent year that prevent a continued growth and eliminating the excitement of their Year 1 pop, since good NFL QBs dictate the play on the field instead of simply being on the fortunate end of solely a good OL,  quality coaching, or bad coaching from their opposition etc.

I guess I'm just saying don't count your chickens before they hatch but I'll admit that I'm very excited to own him as well, especially since it's my only heir to an aging Matt Ryan.  Here's hoping he pans out!

[humpback 1,200]

1 hour ago, ffguru56 said:

I drafted him in dynasty so I obviously hope this is evidence that he is Dan Marino-light but, to play devil's advocate, I think the true test will be year 2.  It's obviously very promising to see a rookie play the way he has but other rookies have done well and then have ultimately faltered (re: Baker Mayfield).  Perhaps it's a mental aspect to the game that offers (for some) a rookie outbreak but then they lose it afterwards.  Perhaps it's tape that coaches review to understand that QB's nuances and so defenses can attack them the subsequent year that prevent a continued growth and eliminating the excitement of their Year 1 pop, since good NFL QBs dictate the play on the field instead of simply being on the fortunate end of solely a good OL,  quality coaching, or bad coaching from their opposition etc.

I guess I'm just saying don't count your chickens before they hatch but I'll admit that I'm very excited to own him as well, especially since it's my only heir to an aging Matt Ryan.  Here's hoping he pans out!

Baker Mayfield didn't do this well. Very few have.

 

Tristan H. Cockcroft @SultanofStat · 22h

Most fantasy points by a quarterback in his first five NFL starts:

130.4 Deshaun Watson

128.4 Cam Newton

125.8 Justin Herbert

125.7 Patrick Mahomes

112.2 Daunte Culpepper

 

Point remains, it's still early, but he looks really, really good, and it's not like his supporting cast is amazing or anything.

[fightingillini 714]

1 hour ago, ffguru56 said:

I drafted him in dynasty so I obviously hope this is evidence that he is Dan Marino-light but, to play devil's advocate, I think the true test will be year 2.  It's obviously very promising to see a rookie play the way he has but other rookies have done well and then have ultimately faltered (re: Baker Mayfield).  Perhaps it's a mental aspect to the game that offers (for some) a rookie outbreak but then they lose it afterwards.  Perhaps it's tape that coaches review to understand that QB's nuances and so defenses can attack them the subsequent year that prevent a continued growth and eliminating the excitement of their Year 1 pop, since good NFL QBs dictate the play on the field instead of simply being on the fortunate end of solely a good OL,  quality coaching, or bad coaching from their opposition etc.

I guess I'm just saying don't count your chickens before they hatch but I'll admit that I'm very excited to own him as well, especially since it's my only heir to an aging Matt Ryan.  Here's hoping he pans out!

Dynasty is a little trickier.  I was talking about redraft.

[DJackson10 3,380]

1 hour ago, ffguru56 said:

I drafted him in dynasty so I obviously hope this is evidence that he is Dan Marino-light but, to play devil's advocate, I think the true test will be year 2.  It's obviously very promising to see a rookie play the way he has but other rookies have done well and then have ultimately faltered (re: Baker Mayfield).  Perhaps it's a mental aspect to the game that offers (for some) a rookie outbreak but then they lose it afterwards.  Perhaps it's tape that coaches review to understand that QB's nuances and so defenses can attack them the subsequent year that prevent a continued growth and eliminating the excitement of their Year 1 pop, since good NFL QBs dictate the play on the field instead of simply being on the fortunate end of solely a good OL,  quality coaching, or bad coaching from their opposition etc.

I guess I'm just saying don't count your chickens before they hatch but I'll admit that I'm very excited to own him as well, especially since it's my only heir to an aging Matt Ryan.  Here's hoping he pans out!

Baker is a completely different thing. I think Baker has matured a lot more then Ioriginally thought he'd do in the NFL. However Baker's issues were always pocket awareness and high passes that were gonna lead to picks. Baker will have a huge game once in awhile but he's also gonna look very very avg a lot of times. He's incredible inconsistent and he plays for CLEV which isn't great. Herbert has the better weapons and if they can fix that offensive line look out. 

[Faust 5,913]

 
Justin Herbert Got His First Start Unexpectedly, But Here's How He Earned the Job Full-Time

[Faust 5,913]

Chargers rookie QB Justin Herbert is beating defenses at a historic rate

[Faust 5,913]

Justin Herbert's long-ball skills already paying dividends for the Chargers

[kyoun1e 898]

Herbert officially my lone QB unless something drastically changes here.

Started with Brees, then streamed Herbert, then started considering Wentz, Bridgewater, Burrow this week on waivers...and I asked myself...why? Why burn another roster slot? 

Schedule looks good. Herbert seems to have a decent floor with his running ability and isn't such a gunslinger that I see a 3 INT game coming.

I'm all in.

[Buck Bradcanon 1,468]

1 minute ago, kyoun1e said:

Herbert officially my lone QB unless something drastically changes here.

Started with Brees, then streamed Herbert, then started considering Wentz, Bridgewater, Burrow this week on waivers...and I asked myself...why? Why burn another roster slot? 

Schedule looks good. Herbert seems to have a decent floor with his running ability and isn't such a gunslinger that I see a 3 INT game coming.

I'm all in.

Same.  Traded away Lamar.

I hope Denver manages to score some points this weekend to keep Herbert going for 4 quarters. 

[NajehHejan 445]

I’m seriously considering playIng Herbert at Denver over Lamar vs Pitt. Must win for me as I’m 2-5 and can’t afford a loss, I think I’m throwing caution to the wind and doing it. What do I have to lose! Slightly better matchup. Could see Bal-Pitt being a low scoring slug fest. 

[Stat Correction 127]

23 minutes ago, NajehHejan said:

I’m seriously considering playIng Herbert at Denver over Lamar vs Pitt. 

I'm doing that exact thing, and not thinking twice about it.

[Jail 83]

As a Charger fan this game makes me very nervous.  Should be a win,  but thats when they end up pulling a massive choke.  They tried to give the game away to the freaking Jaguars last week.  And I don't feel good about a Fangio defense against a rookie QB now that Fangio has a lot of film on him.  On the other hand I think that if Herbert gets through this game just as productive I will be very happy. 

Edited October 31, 2020 by Jail

[Teezee 47]

Top 3 deep ball thrower behind Russ and Patty. So fun to watch..

[RushHour 802]

Unattainable if you don't own him already in dynasty. 

[Aznflyer14 119]

Man, it's pretty galling that Herbert couldn't earn a consistent W when his team's defense couldn't protect the lead.  

[bolldpt 54]

Wasn't able to watch it. Only on gamecast on phone. How did he look?

[tommyGunZ 4,764]

5 minutes ago, bolldpt said:

Wasn't able to watch it. Only on gamecast on phone. How did he look?

Brilliant.  Great anticipation and patience on a TD strike to Keenan.  Several other great throws.  Hits targets on stride and throws beautiful spirals.  Can flick it on a rope for 30-40 yards.  
 

Total package. 

[Buck Bradcanon 1,468]

Man the Chargers are good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

All systems go as far as Herbert as QB1.  LV, @Mia, NYJ up next.

[da_budman 313]

So whats this guy worth if you are tring to trade for him from another owner has another good option?  

[Faust 5,913]

Justin Herbert was added to the Chargers' Thursday injury report with a throwing shoulder issue, practicing in full. 

It is almost certainly nothing to worry about, but it is worth passing along that the Chargers at least saw fit to list their quarterback after he was not on Wednesday's report. Headed into a plum Sunday matchup with the Raiders, be sure to double check Herbert's status on Friday and Sunday. He is a top 10 option for Week 9. 

Nov 5, 2020, 6:37 PM ET

[Faust 5,913]

 

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Chargers QB Justin Herbert (shoulder) was removed from the team's injury report. 

Herbert on Thursday popped up on the injury report with a throwing shoulder injury. He seems to be OK and ready to go for Sunday against the Raiders. Averaging 303 passing yards on 37.8 attempts per game, Herbert is a low-end QB1 against Vegas' middling pass defense. 

SOURCE: Glibert Manzano on Twitter 

Nov 6, 2020, 3:49 PM ET

 

 

[Helaire-ious 146]

Has Herbert fever taken over? I tried to get him in a deal where I would be sending Lamar to his owner & insta-reject for him...I tried a few different variations too!

[JFS171 838]

1 hour ago, Helaire-ious said:

Has Herbert fever taken over? I tried to get him in a deal where I would be sending Lamar to his owner & insta-reject for him...I tried a few different variations too!

I was contemplating offering Lamar for Herbert in dynasty ... wasn’t sure if I was overreacting or if a week or two from now this won’t even be possible. It may not be possible now. 

[King of the Jungle 1,485]

1 hour ago, Helaire-ious said:

Has Herbert fever taken over? I tried to get him in a deal where I would be sending Lamar to his owner & insta-reject for him...I tried a few different variations too!

It has taken over....however Lamar is not proving to be improving as a passer which is the longevity trait of a good FF QB. I would take the risk and put my chips with Herbert as of today even though that opinion may be looked at as premature. 

[humpback 1,200]

Tristan H. Cockcroft @SultanofStat

Justin Herbert's 170.4 fantasy points are the third-most by a quarterback through his first seven career starts (since at least 1950), and had Donald Parham Jr. controlled that would-be touchdown catch at game's end, Herbert would currently stand atop the list.

8:01 PM · Nov 8, 2020

[zeeshan2 376]

should have 3 TDs; Herbie is a stud 

[kyoun1e 898]

Not loving the Miami matchup at all. He's due to regress (a little) especially if M. Williams is out. 

Flores and that D are no joke. They know how to scheme.

Hitched my wagon a few weeks ago after dropping Brees, but may explore options this week (like picking Brees back up vs. SF).

[Buck Bradcanon 1,468]

I don't like the matchup either but the 250/2 floor would seem to be intact given that they will have to score and the LAC cant run the ball right now.

I am not crazy about it, but I am starting him.

[humpback 1,200]

Herbert is essentially match-up proof at this point and Miami certainly isn't scary. They've been lit up multiple times this year including yesterday. Not thinking twice about starting him this (and every) week.

[Faust 5,913]

Even Justin Herbert’s Historic Rookie Campaign Can’t Save the Chargers

[JetMaxx 1,144]

Striking me as a Jeff George type. All numbers, no wins

[Fear The Turtle 339]

4 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

Striking me as a Jeff George type. All numbers, no wins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4GCY69cn3A

[Ilov80s 32,297]

43 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

Striking me as a Jeff George type. All numbers, no wins

You can’t be serious

[loser 218]

On 11/2/2020 at 11:10 AM, da_budman said:

So whats this guy worth if you are tring to trade for him from another owner has another good option?  

 I just traded Gibson for him with Ryan (who I'm not super excited about going forward anyway) on bye.

[JetMaxx 1,144]

On 11/9/2020 at 9:26 PM, JetMaxx said:

Striking me as a Jeff George type. All numbers, no wins

Another loss

[fred_1_15301 5,719]

15 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

Another loss

You're right - he probably sucks.  

[Ilov80s 32,297]

Oh no, I saw the terrible news. Time to sell in dynasty, that hair was a huge part of his appeal. 

Edited November 18, 2020 by Ilov80s

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 750]

Traded away Lamar. Rolling with this guy the rest of the way!

[Jail 83]

3 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Oh no, I saw the terrible news. Time to sell in dynasty, that hair was a huge part of his appeal. 

🤣 man he looks so young.  Crazy that he is just 22.

[Ilov80s 32,297]

12 minutes ago, Jail said:

🤣 man he looks so young.  Crazy that he is just 22.

I’ve ever seen a player lose so much swag over night 

[Dizzy 803]

18 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

I’ve ever seen a player lose so much swag over night 

My god! Are there no mirrors at the LAC facilities? And he let the equipment manager cut his hair?

I saw this thread last night and figured, "Ah, how bad can it be?"

Then I saw him on TV and all I could hear were Dueling Banjos!

Edited November 19, 2020 by Dizzy

[IHEARTFF 1,263]

2 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

My god! Are there no mirrors at the LAC facilities? And he let the equipment manager cut his hair?

I saw this thread last night and figured, "Ah, how bad can it be?"

Then I saw him on TV and all I could here were Dueling Banjos!

Ok, wow that is bad. Hope he can recover from that to continue his great play.

[Buck Bradcanon 1,468]

Quote

 

Manish Mehta

⁦‪@MMehtaNYDN⁩

With Brian Poole on IR, Pierre Desir cut and now Bless Austin dealing with a neck issue, Jets cornerbacks are:

Rookie Bryce Hall
Undrafted rookie Lamar Jackson
Undrafted rookie Javelin Guidry
Arthur Maulet

#TakeFlight

 

11/19/20, 10:45 AM