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QB Justin Herbert, LAC (1 Viewer)
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Does seem strange but they're casting a very wide net, think they're up to 5-6 candidates already- the latest is Daboll!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS............
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grateful zed
Footballguy
And he is a snappy dresser.
Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
worst to first for Justin Herbert:
Chargers 2020 C Dan Feeney allowed the MOST hurries (24) and pressures (33) of any center last year
new C Corey Linsley allowed the FEWEST hurries (1) and pressures (4) of any center last year (min 700 snaps)
also...zero penalties for Linsley
Not at that price. Good player but at least up until this point he hasn't lived up to the hype. Most of his ~60 catches, 600 yds, and 4 TDs isn't going to be hard to replace for less money.
Linsley + Parham (or whoever they end up with at TE) >>> Henry + Feeney
facook
Footballguy
That is not at all what Oregon did while Herbert was there. They might have skipped the huddle, but it was slow, plodding, deliberate, and stunted Herbert's growth.
Keith1
Footballguy
I know his ADP continues to drop (meaning he is going earlier and earlier) but I am really starting to fall for this guy. Talented, good offense, the kid can run and throw, not a running team however (and their top guy Ekeler gets his points catching the ball), so-so defense. Adds up (in my mind at least) to a potential big leap into the elite QB level this year.
Keith1
Footballguy
Personally I happen to like Tannehill a decent amount as well, but I could not disagree more with the author's suggestion that Jalen Hurts is a better choice than Herbert--even with a later ADP.
I agree. The writer's "warning flags abound" is a bit much. His main criticism is that Herbert doesn't run enough but he's athletic and rushed for 5 td's last season. The coordinator turnover is a valid point but I think going from Lynn/Steichen to Staley/Lombardi is an upgrade - it's neutral at worst. As for Hurts, he also has coaching turnover, doesn't have nearly the weapons around him that Herbert does and has to contend with the fact that the current regime didn't pick him and may not view him as the QB of the future. I don't dislike Hurts at all and his upside is exciting but there are some question marks there.
Tau837
Footballguy
New offensive coaching staff will bring influences from Sean Payton and Mike Shanahan, two of the best offensive minds in today's NFL.
Also note that it was well known that Herbert had to learn multiple new offenses in college, then again last year as a rookie, and in the COVID-impacted offseason at that. He has proven to be good at it. One of his biggest strengths is his intelligence.
While there may be an adjustment period because of the new coaching staff, I think it's wheels up for Herbert in 2021 and beyond. I'd try to buy on the dip if there are any initial struggles except I already own him in all my leagues.Just Win Baby said:
New offensive coaching staff will bring influences from Sean Payton and Mike Shanahan, two of the best offensive minds in today's NFL.
Also note that it was well known that Herbert had to learn multiple new offenses in college, then again last year as a rookie, and in the COVID-impacted offseason at that. He has proven to be good at it. One of his biggest strengths is his intelligence.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Everyone seems to assume that because he’s coming from the Saints, Lombardi is an upgrade at OC. I don’t think that opinion would be shared by too many Lions fans who endured him as the OC in 2014 and 2015. Stafford became less aggressive and they shrunk the playbook. Stafford 5 fourth-quarter GWDs; ton of games they were down 0-14, 3-14, 0-21. Conservative. They had Megatron, Golden Tate, Joique Bell, Reggie Bush and Ebron + a top 5 defense. Next season they were even more predictable on offense & he was canned after 7 games.
Second half of 2015, Jim Bob Cooter made Stafford a better quarterback. But he had to un-#### what Lombardi had screwed up.
Second half of 2015, Jim Bob Cooter made Stafford a better quarterback. But he had to un-#### what Lombardi had screwed up.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
What happened to the Saints offense after Lombardi returned as quarterback coach? Oh I know…Brees got old. No arm strength. Just a coincidence.
At qb6 and 60 overall Herbert is an easy pass. At that spot you are assuming he will improve, but aside from the unknown as to whether or not Lombardi is an upgrade we don't even know how he will handle loud environments. Herbert made a lot of changes at the line last year, but he didn't have loud fans to deal with. This year will be different, especially for the Chargers. Many of their "home" games will be louder for the other team. The oline improvements should help, but who knows. Maybe it won't be a big deal, but combined with the many other unknowns it makes it an easy pass for me. At least at that price.
Keith1
Footballguy
well, he is in the same grouping as Russ, Rodgers, Brady and Hurts. Russ is held back by his coaching staff (as we saw in the 2nd half last year). Rodgers we have no idea about but his ADP will jump considerably if/when he returns. That said, prior to last season he had been starting to show some decline. Brady had a monster year no doubt, but no way I am pinning my hopes to a 42 year old QB. As for Hurts, his team sucks, and he certainly did not look as good as Herbert did last year.
As for the loudness of the stadiums, he seemed to do OK playing in front of huge PAC12 crowds and if the Chargers start winning, the home games will in fact be "home" games.
Just my 2 cents of course.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Herbert has a broad ADP range....I like him if he slides in certain formats. Like almost all QBs, wouldn't take him early in most formats.
There is a high ceiling here IMHO as a second year leap is in the cards. Herbert has a much brighter future IMHO than a Kyler Murray for example.
There is a high ceiling here IMHO as a second year leap is in the cards. Herbert has a much brighter future IMHO than a Kyler Murray for example.
Don't disagree at all on Herbert having a high ceiling but curious as to why you're fading Murray?
TripItUp
Footballguy
Multiple reasons
1) Small running QBs with marginal O line is a recipe for risk IMHO.
2) Strength of schedule red flags
3) another year of tape on the Kyler/Kingsbury offense
Interesting. Re: schedule, it seems like a mixed bag. Obviously, going against the Rams and 49ers each two times in a season is tough but he also gets the Jaguars and Texans, as well as the Lions in the first week of the fantasy playoffs and a potential shootout in Week 17 against Dallas.
TripItUp
Footballguy
PFF has the strength of schedule a 5.5.(my personal favorite SOS metric)
Niners defense significantly improved this year.
There are better QB targets out there...hard pass on Kyler.
100% agree on Hurts, but I don't think I could take Herbert over any of Rodgers/Wilson/Brady. Just don't trust him anywhere near as much as those guys.
I'm not a guy who typically takes QB highly, so likely I'll end up with whomever goes latest in that group(I'd probably go Tannehill over Hurts to be honest) if that is Herbert, then so be it.
Keith1
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
My understanding is that Lombardi was prevented by HC Caldwell from implementing the Saints offense in Detroit. For that reason, I don’t view his time as Lions OC as being predictive. YMMV.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I just glanced through a half dozen contemporaneous articles which stated Lombardi implemented the Saints offense and retained game planning and play calling through his tenure. But whatever, it was a long time ago. Maybe his second gig goes better.
Are you able to look at historic SOS and see how predictive PFF’s preseason rankings were?
I have argued for years that preseason SOS is less than worthless and it takes at least 4-6 weeks into the season for them to be predictive.
Yeah, I think you're right. Most of the stuff I've read about Lombardi's time is that he actually regrets how much he tried to implement the same offense with a different staff instead of tailoring the offense to the staff. He says that is a lesson learned, so hopefully it sticks because I don't think Herbert's game much like Brees' game.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Listen, I was just complaining bc that was such a painful missed opportunity as a Lions fan. Literally the only period in the last quarter century the has a good defense.
But so what? 6-7 years is an NFL generation ago. Lombardi probably learned a lot from the experience. We rarely grow from periods of seashells & balloons, it’s when we go through adversity that character is formed, from mistakes we learn what works or what doesn’t.
Herbert is a special player and if everyone stays healthy they should cook.
