The Commish
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I thought they told us this weeks ago, no? Did they reverse course at some point and come back to this?Max Power said:CDC now says coronavirus 'does not spread easily' via contaminated surfaces
I thought they told us this weeks ago, no? Did they reverse course at some point and come back to this?Max Power said:CDC now says coronavirus 'does not spread easily' via contaminated surfaces
Careful...not sure where the pullyourselfupbythebootstraps guys have gone lately, but they are likely to be back soon.....TripItUp said:If you were standing in a bread line or without work for the next 6 months with no savings would you feel differently?
Good to know you support social safety nets such as welfare and unemployment.GoBirds said:x1000
Amazing how quickly many forget about those living paycheck to paycheck with limited to no savings.
Exactly this is a failure of government not the reaction to the epidemic. I hope they realize that bigger and badder ones are coming.Good to know you support social safety nets such as welfare and unemployment.
People are worth bailing out IMO. Corporations not so much.
Good to know you still childishly attempt to spin my posts, I do fully support everyone's right to go out and support their families as many want to do during these times while taking the precautions necessary.Good to know you support social safety nets such as welfare and unemployment.
People are worth bailing out IMO. Corporations not so much.
This is massively short sighted. But alas, there are many that think like this LOLGood to know you support social safety nets such as welfare and unemployment.
People are worth bailing out IMO. Corporations not so much.
In his defense he didn't have to spin this one at all. You walked right into itGood to know you still childishly attempt to spin my posts, I do fully support everyone's right to go out and support their families as many want to do during these times while taking the precautions necessary.
Oooo sick burn! So predictable in here.In his defense he didn't have to spin this one at all. You walked right into it
This is massively short sighted. But alas, there are many that think like this LOL
Sad
Almost as predictable as the lack of self awareness.Oooo sick burn! So predictable in here.
It's like we're learning about a new virus and we don't know what exactly to do, and as a result, what we know changes. But I agree, I don't see why it's apparently funny.killface said:I can't understand for the life of me why this garners a laughter emoticon. What you say is a 100% true and what the CDC said is that it doesn't spread easily but still does spread. And as we learn more about this virus they may revise that again...
Not sure what your point is here...did you read the article? If so, what do you think it's saying?https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
more articles/evidence everyday (this one from CNN) that covid-19 isn't what we were told it was
Not sure what your point is here...did you read the article? If so, what do you think it's saying?
By the way....CNN has a terrible skin/flow to their pages...YIKES!! How do you guys get around on those monstrosities?
So no one under 65 has died from COVID-19? No one under 65 has suffered long-term organ damage from COVID-19? Stop being silly.maybe we should have quarantined anyone over 65 years old - force them to stay inside their homes or face prison time ..... allow everyone else to go on with their daily lives because covid-19 really doesn't impact anyone under 65 - the stat's show that to be fact
And you got all that from the CNN article you linked that mentioned none of this and was talking about how dumb it is to mix antibody testing with COVID testing diagnosis and also talks about how we could have cut the number of deaths in half by taking action just a week sooner? I was curious why someone so fixated on how bad CNN is at reporting would use them as a source for anything, so I went against my better judgement and clicked the link and read. I think I am seeing clearer now what the actual problem is between CNN and their haters.Not sure what your point is here...did you read the article? If so, what do you think it's saying?
By the way....CNN has a terrible skin/flow to their pages...YIKES!! How do you guys get around on those monstrosities?
maybe we should have quarantined anyone over 65 years old - force them to stay inside their homes or face prison time ..... allow everyone else to go on with their daily lives because covid-19 really doesn't impact anyone under 65 - the stat's show that to be fact
RC, I'm not sure you're familiar with SC. If you were, the more shocking thing is him suggesting discrimination based on age as it pertains to this whole thing. He's gone on and on and on in a multitude of threads around here for a couple years now talking about how all people should be treated equal. It comes up in the rape/sexism threads. It comes up in the gun threads. It comes up in the race threads. Everywhere. To be honest, I'm not sure what to do with his comment at this point...runs completely contradictory to everything he professes to be about.So no one under 65 has died from COVID-19? No one under 65 has suffered long-term organ damage from COVID-19? Stop being silly.maybe we should have quarantined anyone over 65 years old - force them to stay inside their homes or face prison time ..... allow everyone else to go on with their daily lives because covid-19 really doesn't impact anyone under 65 - the stat's show that to be fact
Almost as predictable as the lack of self awareness.
There's a percentage of people here that will suggest anything that distracts from the Trump administration's woeful preparedness for testing and tracing - something many countries have been doing for months (including the beloved Sweden) and attribute to their success in containing the virus and safely reopening their economies. Not once have I seen one of them address this failure of the administration. Its acceptable or even preferred that we throw up our collective hands and just abandon this successful approach. Sadly, the most important thing is to get the unemployment numbers down so Trump has something to point to in coming election season. Health and safety have taken a backseat. Lose your unemployment benefits? Too bad. Losing your PPP? Too bad.RC, I'm not sure you're familiar with SC. If you were, the more shocking thing is him suggesting discrimination based on age as it pertains to this whole thing. He's gone on and on and on in a multitude of threads around here for a couple years now talking about how all people should be treated equal. It comes up in the rape/sexism threads. It comes up in the gun threads. It comes up in the race threads. Everywhere. To be honest, I'm not sure what to do with his comment at this point...runs completely contradictory to everything he professes to be about.So no one under 65 has died from COVID-19? No one under 65 has suffered long-term organ damage from COVID-19? Stop being silly.maybe we should have quarantined anyone over 65 years old - force them to stay inside their homes or face prison time ..... allow everyone else to go on with their daily lives because covid-19 really doesn't impact anyone under 65 - the stat's show that to be fact
So states in a rush to open up potentially exaggerated the number of infections and their testing capabilities?https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
more articles/evidence everyday (this one from CNN) that covid-19 isn't what we were told it was
Your example from CNN might misrepresent numbers, but it does so in favor of reopening.my point here is that its misreporting with the goal of spreading fear and to support the covid19 hysteria IMO
The economy was shutting down all by itself! That is to the degree that it did shut down.covid-19 does spread way faster, I'm not sure its so much more deadly than bad flu season that we needed to shut down the economy, charge 7-10 trillion to national debt and put 5-7 million people out of jobs .... I guess that's debatable but more and more what is clear is that the knee jerk reaction from the Govt was way, way out of line
that was the point - the numbers are misrepresented intentionallyYour example from CNN might misrepresent numbers, but it does so in favor of reopening.
where are the overflowing hospitals ? nationwide you see that ? noThe economy was shutting down all by itself! That is to the degree that it did shut down.
Why is this lost on you? Do you think that if the government continued to ignore it that the economy would still be humming along? Do you think if the media ignored it like the administration tried to do that no one would notice the overflowing hospitals? The people disappearing?
So you're saying CNN is reporting numbers falsely to get people back to "normal" after than they should?that was the point - the numbers are misrepresented intentionallyYour example from CNN might misrepresent numbers, but it does so in favor of reopening.
Which one of us is saying "what is clear is that the knee jerk reaction from the Govt was way, way out of line"?where are the overflowing hospitals ? nationwide you see that ? no
we don't know WHAT the impacts would have been, we only know what is HAS been
Dude, please. disengageWhich one of us is saying "what is clear is that the knee jerk reaction from the Govt was way, way out of line"?
After dodging a bullet, we can have a good idea of what the impact would have been if we hadn't dodged it.where are the overflowing hospitals ? nationwide you see that ? no
we don't know WHAT the impacts would have been, we only know what is HAS been
The other thing with the manipulations is that this was probably just the beginning:So states in a rush to open up potentially exaggerated the number of infections and their testing capabilities?
Dear Mr. President:
Thousands of physicians in all specialties and from all States would like to express our gratitude for your leadership. We write to you today to express our alarm over the exponentially growing negative health consequences of the national shutdown.
In medical terms, the shutdown was a mass casualty incident.
During a mass casualty incident, victims are immediately triaged to black, red, yellow, or green. The first group, triage level black, includes those who require too many resources to save during a mass crisis. The red group has severe injuries that are survivable with treatment, the yellow group has serious injuries that are not immediately life threatening, and the green group has minor injuries.
The red group receives highest priority. The next priority is to ensure that the other two groups do not deteriorate a level. Decades of research have shown that by strictly following this algorithm, we save the maximum number of lives.
Millions of Americans are already at triage level red. These include 150,000 Americans per month who would have had a new cancer detected through routine screening that hasn't happened, millions who have missed routine dental care to fix problems strongly linked to heart disease/death, and preventable cases of stroke, heart attack, and child abuse. Suicide hotline phone calls have increased 600%.
Tens of millions are at triage level yellow. Liquor sales have increased 300-600%, cigarettes sales have increased, rent has gone unpaid, family relationships have become frayed, and millions of well-child check-ups have been missed.
Hundreds of millions are at triage level green. These are people who currently are solvent, but at risk should economic conditions worsen. Poverty and financial uncertainty is closely linked to poor health.
A continued shutdown means hundreds of millions of Americans will downgrade a level. The following are real examples from our practices.
Patient E.S. is a mother with two children whose office job was reduced to part-time and whose husband was furloughed. The father is drinking more, the mother is depressed and not managing her diabetes well, and the children are barely doing any schoolwork.
Patient A.F. has chronic but previously stable health conditions. Her elective hip replacement was delayed, which caused her to become nearly sedentary, resulting in a pulmonary embolism in April.
Patient R.T. is an elderly nursing home patient, who had a small stroke in early March but was expected to make a nearly complete recovery. Since the shutdown, he has had no physical or speech therapy, and no visitors. He has lost weight, and is deteriorating rather than making progress.
Patient S.O. is a college freshman who cannot return to normal life, school, and friendships. He risks depression, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, trauma, and future financial uncertainty.
We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients. The downstream health effects of deteriorating a level are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error.
It is impossible to overstate the short, medium, and long-term harm
to people's health with a continued shutdown. Losing a job is one of life's most stressful events, and the effect on a person's health is not lessened because it also has happened to 30 million other people. Keeping schools and universities closed is incalculably detrimental for children, teenagers, and young adults for decades to come.
The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse.
Because the harm is diffuse, there are those who hold that it does not exist. We, the undersigned, know otherwise.
Please let us know if we may be of assistance.
You can already see this sentiment on these forums.It's going to get ugly....up thread mentioned a friend of mine just outside of Atlanta that has a sandwich shop. He's been part of a local restaurant group for the better part of 20 years. It has 50-60 different owners as part of the group. Approximately half of them are considering closing their doors. People are deciding to stay home and straw polling by the owners of their customers who are coming in for pickup/delivery still gives a few different reasons for staying home, but the most popular, by far, is distrust in what they're being told by state and federal officials. The second one is the realization of how expensive it is for them to eat out (i.e. change in eating habits they've known they need to change but haven't).
I stated up thread that I believed we were entering the "confidence" phase of this whole fiasco and it seems to be true, at least where he's at. It will be interesting to see how long the "you should have the choice to do what you want...open back up!!!!!" crew continues with that notion before they start demeaning people as "scared" or "living in fear" for deciding to stay home with all the uncertainty and unclear/muddled messages from our leaders.
I honestly haven't paid much attention as of late....wouldn't surprise me. I HAVE noticed the bootstrap guys aren't as vocal as normal.You can already see this sentiment on these forums.It's going to get ugly....up thread mentioned a friend of mine just outside of Atlanta that has a sandwich shop. He's been part of a local restaurant group for the better part of 20 years. It has 50-60 different owners as part of the group. Approximately half of them are considering closing their doors. People are deciding to stay home and straw polling by the owners of their customers who are coming in for pickup/delivery still gives a few different reasons for staying home, but the most popular, by far, is distrust in what they're being told by state and federal officials. The second one is the realization of how expensive it is for them to eat out (i.e. change in eating habits they've known they need to change but haven't).
I stated up thread that I believed we were entering the "confidence" phase of this whole fiasco and it seems to be true, at least where he's at. It will be interesting to see how long the "you should have the choice to do what you want...open back up!!!!!" crew continues with that notion before they start demeaning people as "scared" or "living in fear" for deciding to stay home with all the uncertainty and unclear/muddled messages from our leaders.
There have already been posts saying people who don't return to their pre-lock down economic behaviors are choosing not to because of media fear mongering. Over time they'll blame anything except the reality of the pandemic.The Commish said:I honestly haven't paid much attention as of late....wouldn't surprise me. I HAVE noticed the bootstrap guys aren't as vocal as normal.
Rich Conway said:You can already see this sentiment on these forums.
There have already been posts of saying people who don't return to their pre-lock down economic behaviors are choosing not to because of media fear mongering. Over time they'll blame anything except the reality of the pandemic.
It does work both ways, but you can't have it both ways.That's only in response to the dramaticized "reality" of the pandemic. It works both ways. In real life no one is making you leave your house. In real life there are people being kept and forced out of work.
That's fair, but allow people to make the decision to open their business and allow people to make the decision to patronize or not. The businesses who can change their business model in response to changes in habits have always been the ones that ultimately succeed.It does work both ways, but you can't have it both ways.
No one making you leave you house is also why no one is shopping at your business. So if you are trumpeting the mantra "no one is making you leave your house" then don't ##### when "no one is shopping at your business".
This is all I am saying. Can;t we just let the business owners and Americans make their own decisions? If a restaurant fails because they refused to open, or they refused to make changes to enhance customer safety, then I can't feel as bad. If they are forced to close, with no recourse, I can feel bad for them for not even being given a chance.That's fair, but allow people to make the decision to open their business and allow people to make the decision to patronize or not. The businesses who can change their business model in response to changes in habits have always been the ones that ultimately succeed.
I'm ##### because businesses currently aren't allowed to open because of this type of hysteria.It does work both ways, but you can't have it both ways.
No one making you leave you house is also why no one is shopping at your business. So if you are trumpeting the mantra "no one is making you leave your house" then don't ##### when "no one is shopping at your business".
The problem is that because of people tending to touch stuff wherever they go, a sick person can infect a lot of people, more so if distancing standards are relaxed. Businesses that relax restrictions further are asking for trouble if an asymptomatic carrier walks in and spreads the virus, because if someone actually started contact tracing, and traced it back to that business, who is going to want to shop/eat there?This is all I am saying. Can;t we just let the business owners and Americans make their own decisions? If a restaurant fails because they refused to open, or they refused to make changes to enhance customer safety, then I can't feel as bad. If they are forced to close, with no recourse, I can feel bad for them for not even being given a chance.
From: https://www.epiqglobal.com/en-us/thinking/class-action-mass-tort/faq/government-regulation-business-faqThis is all I am saying. Can;t we just let the business owners and Americans make their own decisions? If a restaurant fails because they refused to open, or they refused to make changes to enhance customer safety, then I can't feel as bad. If they are forced to close, with no recourse, I can feel bad for them for not even being given a chance.
Restaurants are one of the most highly regulated types of businesses, having to be frequently inspected by the local health department to ensure they are complying with the regulation that exist to keep the public safe from food born illness. Ending these regulation would have serious negative effects on the public health as people would end up being served spoiled food that was prepared for them by the business owner to help his bottom line instead of being thrown away like regulations require.The Purpose of Government Regulation of Business
The U.S. government has set many business regulations in place to protect employees' rights, protect the environment and hold corporations accountable for the amount of power they have in a very business-driven society.
I post awhile back in one of these threads a talking point will be the encomy sucks because all the liberals are staying at home and not spending their money.Rich Conway said:You can already see this sentiment on these forums.
99% of the population that the virus doesn't pose a risk to?who is going to want to shop/eat there?
If business owners don't feel safe opening their businesses, should they continue to be eligible for the various small business support programs?That's fair, but allow people to make the decision to open their business and allow people to make the decision to patronize or not. The businesses who can change their business model in response to changes in habits have always been the ones that ultimately succeed.
99%, huh? I thought the elderly were "at risk"? Pretty sure the elderly comprise a much larger portion of the population than 1%.99% of the population that the virus doesn't pose a risk to?
I would eat anywhere tonight...I'm 45 and healthy.
death rate less than 1%99%, huh? I thought the elderly were "at risk"? Pretty sure the elderly comprise a much larger portion of the population than 1%.
They don't have to work, they also don't get an unemployment check.If business owners don't feel safe opening their businesses, should they continue to be eligible for the various small business support programs?
How about employees? If they don't feel safe returning to work, should they still be eligible for unemployment or other government assistance?