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RB Antonio Gibson, NE (1 Viewer)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Actually it came from Rivera last year when he was drafted. And it has been repeated here and there a number of times since then. This is hardly the first time. But nobody I have ever read takes that very seriously. There are major stans like me that think he has top 5 upside, but outside of injury nobody like me is really considering that as the same thing as CMC upside. Top 5 and Top 1 are not the same thing. I would feel like I hit a grand slam if I get Top 10 out of him.LawFitz said:
But yeah I would throw him out in that auction early for sure. There is no doubt he will get pumped. And I am also a little worried about his toe. I have as many shares as I need right now.
Gibson had 5 carries and 3 targets. 100% usage. Since we're using half of one quarter of a preseason game we might as well use it right......BobbyLayne said:
massraider
Footballguy
https://youtu.be/drLbED_xeoo
Gibson 21 highlights. It's very surprising how decisive he is on inside runs.
He's still learning, I think.
I never really noticed, but when he carries ball in his right hand, his left kind of flails a little, exaggerated arm swing. When he's in the open field, he doesn't tuck that arm the way most backs do.
Doesn't do it with right hand when carrying ball in left hand. Right hand will stay tucked.
Gibson 21 highlights. It's very surprising how decisive he is on inside runs.
He's still learning, I think.
I never really noticed, but when he carries ball in his right hand, his left kind of flails a little, exaggerated arm swing. When he's in the open field, he doesn't tuck that arm the way most backs do.
Doesn't do it with right hand when carrying ball in left hand. Right hand will stay tucked.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Nope.
He has nice jump cuts and smaller, subtle cuts inside, and I LOVE that he makes a cut and goes. Guys start stringing together moves, they get tackled from behind. Javonte last week got me excited for same reason. To me, Gibson has natural inside instincts. Which is amazing.
But he carries the ball like a guy who hasn't been coached a lot at RB.
I don't know if it's a negative at all, just an observation watching his highlights, 'that left arm is doing its own thing'.
Might be like a L'eveon Bell, who did that stop at the LOS thing. No coach would teach that, but he made it work.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah ok, wasn't sure if you were saying he didn't have enough patience. I sure he thought he looked natural from the word go. With some definite rawness to him. I never really paid much attention to the way he carried the ball so I'd take your word for that. As with all the various skills involved, these guys are always working to get better so yeah I'm certainly hoping he takes a 2nd year leap as predicted and can fine tune some of those kinds of things. He is going to get plenty of chances.
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Will Samuel take away opportunities from Gibson? The video link above by @massraideris truly impressive. And it's not just 1 or 2 examples.
Teef
Footballguy
I went back and looked at CMC's preseason usage the year of his breakout. Short of catching a breather, he was in on every down and situation. Let's see how Gibson's usage is handed out tonight, but for the most part, I'm out on the CMC role as his trajectory for now. McKissic is actually great in his recieving role and even though Gib was a WR in college, his route running doesn't shake a stick at CMC and McKissic's.
That toe worries me as well.
That toe worries me as well.
massraider
Footballguy
nittanylion
Footballguy
To be fair and honest, the jury has to still be out until we see him compete against 53-man Roster talent on defense, but it's looking like the WFTskins may have found their #3 RB in undrafted rookie Jaret Patterson, who had a great night vs the Bengals. 16/71/1, 3/3/25/0 + a nice KO return. Again, he performed admirably vs the level of competition he was playing against, but that's exactly what one wants to see at this point, and it's very likely he's at least secured a Roster spot with his performance tonight. We'll see what that leads to as the rest of the preseason plays out, and we move into where the games begin to count. Great kid, too. Humble, as he should be, in the post-game interview, but appears confident, in a good way. If it translates vs legit NFL defenders, the WFTskins RB room would be complete, with 3 competent and different RB's who complement each other, and, combined form a diverse group that can present some problems for a defense. Very excited about what this kid might be able to bring to the table.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
it's getting crazy in here. its Gibson and a bunch of scrubs. I don't get the forced 'Samuel will take Gibson's carries away' talk. nonsense.
Dacomish
Footballguy
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Dr Porras with FantasyPoints has some pent up concern over Gibson's "not 100%" comment.
"it could lead to workload management and more of a committee than fantasy managers want to see. What gives this situation even more gross-factor is Gibson’s usage and the fantasy community’s assumption he’ll dominate that backfield. What if The Team manages Gibson’s volume to prevent a setback? What if Gibson does have a setback mid-season and misses a drive or — fantasy gods forbid — an entire game? What if the toe is just enough of a bother to cap his (admittedly astronomical) ceiling?
What concern level is everyone at as we start the season?
Ive got 2 shares... I think I'm around a 3/10.
"it could lead to workload management and more of a committee than fantasy managers want to see. What gives this situation even more gross-factor is Gibson’s usage and the fantasy community’s assumption he’ll dominate that backfield. What if The Team manages Gibson’s volume to prevent a setback? What if Gibson does have a setback mid-season and misses a drive or — fantasy gods forbid — an entire game? What if the toe is just enough of a bother to cap his (admittedly astronomical) ceiling?
What concern level is everyone at as we start the season?
Ive got 2 shares... I think I'm around a 3/10.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
The Frankman
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
That was a big lost fumble.
massraider
Footballguy
20 carries and led the team in targets.
Workhorse back with goalline duties, 3rd down duties, and homerun speed.
Trust.
Workhorse back with goalline duties, 3rd down duties, and homerun speed.
Trust.
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massraider
Footballguy
Speaking of Washington, Antonio Gibson had about 87% of their running back rushes to go along with a 23.8% target share. Last year's averages per game (when not injured): 60.7% and 10.2%. 
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Washington Week 1 RB Usage
- Antonio Gibson: 67% snaps, 20 carries, 5 targets
- JD McKissic: 37% snaps, 1 carry, 1 target
(TBF the 3rd down snaps were nearly exclusively JDM and all 3 Gibson catches were on early downs so not exactly CMC just yet)
- Antonio Gibson: 67% snaps, 20 carries, 5 targets
- JD McKissic: 37% snaps, 1 carry, 1 target
(TBF the 3rd down snaps were nearly exclusively JDM and all 3 Gibson catches were on early downs so not exactly CMC just yet)
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Starting him over Mixon this week. Sat him last week
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I just stated in another thread..Gibson is open for a screen ### on every single offensive play, ones that would go for min 15 yards every play. the hell is washington doing here?? Gibson should be at 8-98-1, 15-75-1 by now.
It's why I have never wanted a player in a washington offense.they just suck, and almost always have.
It's why I have never wanted a player in a washington offense.they just suck, and almost always have.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
Daniel Jones has more yards rushing than Gibson does in this game.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think they're managing him tonight. He had a big workload in week 1 and his shoulder got banged up.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Glad I’m going against both RBs and not DJ Dimes
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Let's hope the staff sees this reviewing the game...a shame how little use he got in the 4th
ffmail4me
Footballguy
He averaged what 5.5 a carry? I don't call that a bust. Just not utilized enough tonight.
Boone22
Footballguy
I have to STRONGLY disagree with this. You don’t “manage” one of your best players when your in a dog fight with a division rival to not start the season 0-2. You utilize your best players and do everything you can to win.
finfansteve
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't disagree that it shouldn't be done but I can't help but wonder if it did. They didn't even try to establish the run and IMO they should have lost.
Gibson simply isn't the RB on the field when they are trailing, so he's game script and TD dependent. That makes him a little boom or bust.
That isn't a death sentence by any means, Nick Chubb is an example of that, and even Derrick Henry to an extent, but he's not as talented as those guys, so he needs leads even more. What is worrisome, is that the "vaunted" Washington defense isn't what it was cracked up to be, and that is going to lead to situation where chasing happens, and to date that is McKissic's time.
To be fair to McKissic, like Hunt to keep the comparison going, he has earned these snaps, he's productive when he's out there, and does certainly seem to do certain things better than Gibson, even if Gibson is also capable of doing those things.
These reasons, are why I wanted no part of Gibson until round 3, which resulted in me having zero Gibson shares. I like the guy a lot, but he's still more potential upside than reliable star.
That isn't a death sentence by any means, Nick Chubb is an example of that, and even Derrick Henry to an extent, but he's not as talented as those guys, so he needs leads even more. What is worrisome, is that the "vaunted" Washington defense isn't what it was cracked up to be, and that is going to lead to situation where chasing happens, and to date that is McKissic's time.
To be fair to McKissic, like Hunt to keep the comparison going, he has earned these snaps, he's productive when he's out there, and does certainly seem to do certain things better than Gibson, even if Gibson is also capable of doing those things.
These reasons, are why I wanted no part of Gibson until round 3, which resulted in me having zero Gibson shares. I like the guy a lot, but he's still more potential upside than reliable star.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
They didn't give it to him when they had a small lead a couple times. They didn't give it to him early. It wasn't just when they were trailing. They specifically did not try to establish the run. Which is strange for them and for him being the weapon he is. It isn't like the game got away from them. I don't know if I said it in the game thread or if I am repeating myself in here but either they were managing him or the playcaller should be fired.
They won in spite of their lack of trying to establish the run. They got lucky.
They won in spite of their lack of trying to establish the run. They got lucky.
This…pretty obvious on a short week. It’s a long season.
Haters would have a different take
You guys are so funny. I'm an owner. I don't think anyone is a 'hater'. We are all just trying to figure out his value in fantasy football.
Two games in a row his usage has been stinklines....that's concerning whether you dismiss it or not
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
McKissic is a bigger thorn in his side than I anticipated. That 1 yard TD run by McKissic was tough to watch.
And the larger concern is that McKissic is getting it done which may lead to a larger shareMcKissic is a bigger thorn in his side than I anticipated. That 1 yard TD run by McKissic was tough to watch.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
This.
We can say situational football, etc. 3 minutes and 13 seconds left in a game where they have the lead. Gibson just gashed NYG for 11 yards - where he showed good vision and patience. Ran him again for 3 yards and then Heinicke drops back to pass on 2nd down and throws the pick. Any other team plays the clock situation and runs short routes to your RB. Gibson was open so frequently in the flat, but Heinicke would always go for the larger plays - which was pretty effective. I just think we are almost at a 50/50 split, which doesn't bode well for guys selecting Gibson in the 2nd round and a guy (me) hoping he would produce big numbers in Dynasty Leagues.
Nobody is hating on Gibson. I think people view him as highly competent. Most Gibson owners are just shocked by the McKissic usage; when AG has shown ability in blitz pickup and always seems to go for positive yards.
I think the longer season has made timeshares more inevitable and I must be in the minority, but I didn't anticipate this much of a split.
