whoknew
Footballguy
I definitely think some assistance needs to be passed. But I'm not convinced increased unemployment benefits is the optimal solution. I think that rent/food vouchers would be a more effective solution. Or move to a UBI.
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Why so much unemployment even after the stimulus? (1 Viewer)
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dkp993
Footballguy
Sure. But what about the not freeloaders who can’t go to work due to COVID restrictions or COVID devastated industries?
Are you ok with $200/week proposed by Republicans? In Florida, with the $275 state contribution, that's in the ballpark of a $12/hour full time job.
Or some other mechanism?
TripItUp
Footballguy
I would like it to be just under what people would normally make so that people would have an incentive to get back to work...particularly those that can go back to work with little health risk, which is the vast majority of the people not working IMHO.
I would support normal, full unemployment benefits for those that were actually laid off.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Continues to amuse me that people believe "most" or "enough" people are of the freeloader variety and will do nothing thus giving reason not to provide funds to anyone rather than being of the hard working group who wants to make it on their own.
The leisure industry has the largest number of people affected by COVID layoffs, still down by over 4 million jobs. Many jobs will never come back or take years. Many of these people will have trouble finding equivalent jobs, until the leisure industry returns to normal. In Florida, their normal unemployment compensation is $275/week, equal to about $7 per hour. With tips, many waiters were used to making alot more. These people are used to working hard for their money.
My roommate is a preschool teacher who wants to work, but the preschools in South Florida are in financial limbo, not knowing how many parents will pay or pull their kids out once the school has a case. I think she'll work for a preschool with government funding, Easter Seals and YWCA preschools both made her an offer that's a little below what she made on unemployment.
There are some freeloaders, but most people wanna work, if they can do so safely.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I disagree with the characterization that there are "some freeloaders" and also the implication that people can't get back to work safely. The virus health impact has been overstated by the liberal media IMHO.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
What media is reporting 160,000 dead? Seems like that is a bit of a health impact. I bet amputations are on the upswing as well, but I haven’t tried to research that, more of a “gut feeling.”
TripItUp
Footballguy
Nobody is happy about the 160K dead, but young healthy people are not dying from this.
Time to get back to work and in schools.
The Commish
Footballguy
What exactly do you base this disagreement on? What he's outlined is exactly what is happening here in Florida. Even the governor acknowledges it.
TripItUp
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Sorry.... meant the freeloader thing you're doing. I think the great back to work stuff is taking care of itself. Didn't we add almost 2M jobs this last report?
johnnycakes
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
And the rest of the world? Because the liberal media in America's "messaging" is on par with what you see in every other industrialized nation.
caustic
Footballguy
I’m glad that unemployed people will get some extra help, they need it. Un-enhanced UI is ridiculously stingy — low wage earners in some states are having to live off of <$100/week now that the CARES act bonuses expired. That’s insane.
The problems I have with the EO are this:
-Instead of funding our existing federal unemployment program, it creates an *entirely new program* which may take a while to implement, slowing the delivery of benefits to those who need it. If I had to guess, I’d say they did this out of legal necessity (can’t fund the existing program by EO) but I really don’t know. Not a lawyer.
-Most estimates are that the ~$45bn in this EO will run out in 4-5 weeks, then we’re back at square one.
-The mandatory contribution for states. States’ finances are in a terrible spot right now; the federal government needs to be giving them money instead of the other way around. Some states may oppose kicking in the $100 for political reasons, as @Nugget noted. Not sure how that plays out.
-We took that $45bn from the FEMA disaster relief fund just as we approach hurricane season. Helping the unemployed is an extremely urgent matter, but it’s easy to see how this backfires.
Overall, this is not a substitute for actual legislation. Congress needs to renew these benefits and ideally tie their expiration to improvements in objective economic indicators. It’s a disgrace that stimulus talks are dead.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
My college buddy owns a restaurant tavern in Traverse City MI. Right now he can`t get any help as during lockdown his staff went on unemployment and are getting around 950.00 a week for not working, more than double what many made. They just say they don`t feel safe. I am sure they will feel a little safer when the UE runs out but right now many service places can`t get help.
Right now he has bus boys waiting tables along with him and his wife.
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
What isn’t open right now that you think should be? What goods and services are you not able to access that really impact your life? I don’t know where you are, CA I think? Not really up to date on what they are doing, but I don’t find life impacted much other than masks and can’t do early grocery shopping a few days a week because it’s set aside for at risk/old/first responders.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Thunderlips
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
Ok, so what isn’t open that should be for the well being of the country? Stadiums? Movie theaters? What’s closed that is important?
TripItUp
Footballguy
I would open everything except mass gatherings(stadiums, concerts etc.)
I would also have strict mask enforcement.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
How many people simply went back to where they are from because there wasn’t any work? That’s the problem I’ve heard up north; normal seasonal workers that come from downstate never moved up or left in march.
Snorkelson
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The Commish
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There's no question this exists. That wasn't my point. It's the vast quantity aspect. By the way.... their money has run out no?
We can throw anecdotes all day. That isn't going to get us anywhere IMO. That's why i asked the follow up that i did
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
Statewide, the following are closed:
Bars, brewpubs, breweries, and pubs, both indoors and outdoors, unless they are offering sit-down, outdoor dine-in meals. Alcohol can only be sold in the same transaction as a meal.
Public events and gatherings, like live audience sports
Convention centers
Theme parks and festivals
Indoor playgrounds, like bounce centers, ball pits and laser tag
Saunas and steam rooms
Recreational team sports
Statewide, the following must close indoor operations:
Dine-in restaurants
Wineries and tasting rooms
Movie theaters
Family entertainment centers
Zoos and museums
Cardrooms
What should be open here considering the state of covid in CA?
TripItUp
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Bottomfeeder Sports
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Good thing that there weren't many hurricanes or wild fires or other natural disasters this fall.
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